FGM Parties

[SKP555]

rscott said:

The NHS, WHO, Human Rights Watch,etc all claim it's less down to religion and more social custom.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/06/16/qa-female-geni...
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/female-genital-mutila...
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en...
http://www.stopfgmmideast.org/background/islam-or-...

As they would...

[Mrr T]

Liokault said:

gruffalo said:

If there is evidence of FGM on a girl under 18 years old could the parents not be prosecuted for some for of neglect?

Clearly, they could be prosecuted for something, probably worse than neglect. The question is why zero cases in court right now.

Here’s a link which explains the data. If you read it you will see why there are almost no prosecutions.

http://content.digital.nhs.uk/article/7180/First-ever-annual-statistical-publication-for-FGM-shows-5700-newly-recorded-cases-during-2015-16

[rscott]

SKP555 said:

rscott said:

The NHS, WHO, Human Rights Watch,etc all claim it's less down to religion and more social custom.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/06/16/qa-female-geni...
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/female-genital-mutila...
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en...
http://www.stopfgmmideast.org/background/islam-or-...

As they would...

So they're all lying to cover up for those nasty Mooslimbs?

[Oakey]

SKP555 said:

Oakey said:

Why, what harm is it doing to your son? That's how he was born, surely it should be his decision?

Why don'the you ask her how she'd feel if someone had decided to cut her tits off on her behalf

I believe quite a lot of Americans (and possibly Canadians too) believe it's more hygienic due to some junk science from the 60s or 70s. Another religion.

How difficult is it to teach their kid to keep it clean?

I mean, it's not like women are immune to smegma themselves either yet I don't see people suggest chopping off their piss flaps as a solution.

[SKP555]

rscott said:

So they're all lying to cover up for those nasty Mooslimbs?

Not lying. It is largely cultural and specific to certain areas but as per the Wikipedia link I posted there is a definite connection with Islam and the practice is considered either obligatory or desirable in all the major schools of Islam.

I suspect they are being selective with how they report it. Just as they were with "Asian" grooming gangs.

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

Liokault said:

Its not just Jews though is it? My partner is Canadian and catholic, she still thinks my uncut member is weird and would like our son to be done.

...and you tell to keep her worrying child abuse thoughts to herself I hope.

[MrNoisy]

Amazing how many seem apologetic of this? Quite disgusting really.

It's obvious nothing is done due to the cultural barrier/sensitivity/fear of offence that has arisen from decades of frantic cultural shift and the lack of government institutions being able to keep up.

Until that is openly discussed without the debate being shut down because it sounds western imperialist anti-muslim tosh these poor girls will continue to be mutilated.

This isn't the 'odd' case. There is a large element of recent immigrant society in this country carrying out this practice according to that report. There won't be many politicians willing to stick their head above the parapet on this issue, that's for sure.

[del mar]

rscott said:

SKP555 said:

rscott said:

The NHS, WHO, Human Rights Watch,etc all claim it's less down to religion and more social custom.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/06/16/qa-female-geni...
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/female-genital-mutila...
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en...
http://www.stopfgmmideast.org/background/islam-or-...

As they would...

So they're all lying to cover up for those nasty Mooslimbs?

Even I would almost agree with Rscott here, it does tend to be a cultural African issue rather than anything else. Although yes the book does recommend it and is more prevalent in Muslim countries than they would have you believe.

That said;

Wikipedia lists the top 5 countries as;
Somalia 98%
Guinea 97%
Djibouti 93%
Egypt 91%
Sierra Leone 90%

There is also a high concentration in Indonesia - although it doesn't define "high".

Whilst I accept it tends to be cultural, the top 5 are all Muslim countries and it tends to be prevalent in Muslim communities in other countries ???

If people in other countries want to cut bits off their own daughters it is not for us to intervene - we aren't good at getting involved in other countries, and it doesn't both me.

It is an issue when it happens here and we then incur costs and time dealing with an imported problem, do not import problems !!

Social Services are only running at 60% capacity so we are ok..

[rscott]

del mar said:

Even I would almost agree with Rscott here, it does tend to be a cultural African issue rather than anything else. Although yes the book does recommend it and is more prevalent in Muslim countries than they would have you believe.

That said;

Wikipedia lists the top 5 countries as;
Somalia 98%
Guinea 97%
Djibouti 93%
Egypt 91%
Sierra Leone 90%

There is also a high concentration in Indonesia - although it doesn't define "high".

Whilst I accept it tends to be cultural, the top 5 are all Muslim countries and it tends to be prevalent in Muslim communities in other countries ???
[b]
If people in other countries want to cut bits off their own daughters it is not for us to intervene - we aren't good at getting involved in other countries, and it doesn't both me.

It is an issue when it happens here and we then incur costs and time dealing with an imported problem, do not import problems !! [/b]

Social Services are only running at 60% capacity so we are ok..

The point missed by some on this thread is that the figures given earlier aren't for FGM carried out in the UK, but for FGM detected here. So could have occurred anywhere and anytime during the woman's life.
I'm simply saying that as a partial explanation as to why prosecutions aren't common (if at all) and in no way condoning or supporting the horrible practice.

[StottyEvo]

anonymous said:

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Because cutting baby dicks causes little to no harm. I'd call that a valid reason for why it isn't covered.

[Rick101]

Maybe I should cut of my kids earlobes just for fun.

[Mrr T]

MrNoisy said:

Amazing how many seem apologetic of this? Quite disgusting really.

There is a large element of recent immigrant society in this country carrying out this practice according to that report. There won't be many politicians willing to stick their head above the parapet on this issue, that's for sure.

No there is not, read my posts and the link to the data.

[Sheets Tabuer]

At least my swingers parties are less of a taboo these days...

[rscott]

Mrr T said:

MrNoisy said:

Amazing how many seem apologetic of this? Quite disgusting really.

There is a large element of recent immigrant society in this country carrying out this practice according to that report. There won't be many politicians willing to stick their head above the parapet on this issue, that's for sure.

No there is not, read my posts and the link to the data.

I'd give up - they're not reading it, no matter how many times it's posted.

[pork911]

anonymous said:

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Hmmm. Regardless, you will be fully aware of the legislation before invoking harm.

[del mar]

rscott said:

The point missed by some on this thread is that the figures given earlier aren't for FGM carried out in the UK, but for FGM detected here. So could have occurred anywhere and anytime during the woman's life.
I'm simply saying that as a partial explanation as to why prosecutions aren't common (if at all) and in no way condoning or supporting the horrible practice.

Agreed, although the idea of parties to carry mass cutting seems new.

[Mrr T]

rscott said:

Mrr T said:

MrNoisy said:

Amazing how many seem apologetic of this? Quite disgusting really.

There is a large element of recent immigrant society in this country carrying out this practice according to that report. There won't be many politicians willing to stick their head above the parapet on this issue, that's for sure.

No there is not, read my posts and the link to the data.

I'd give up - they're not reading it, no matter how many times it's posted.

You are most likely correct. I was aware these figures where rubbish but I was even surprised when I read the details.

It seems that a woman who decides to get herself a genital piercing would also be included in the statistics.

[del mar]

anonymous said:

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Surely it should be illegal to cut bits of your own children because of your own beliefs ?

I am not a fan of seeing babies with pierced ears - this should also be banned, but at least other than the hole and looking like a Chav nothing is missing.

[J4CKO]

Child abuse, pure and simple, it is almost taboo over here though, anything about traditional child abuse i.e. hitting or sexual illicits cries of "Hang them" yet I would say FGM is even more damaging, it needs to be as vilified as pedophiles are,

I dont think circumcision should not be done by anyone without a medical degree and based on medical need, not because some dusty old book written by those not party to 2500 plus years of science, technology and social development says so,

A baby is born, lets start cutting bits off it, in the name of this god, who created it, and everything else apparently , so are they saying that their almighty to head honcho got it wrong ? or did it say "everything is awesome what I did apart from dont eat the pigs they will give you bad guts, oh and will cut all the foreskins and clittys off for me ? I left them on by mistake"

[anonyrat39]

SKP555 said:

Oakey said:

Why, what harm is it doing to your son? That's how he was born, surely it should be his decision?

Why don'the you ask her how she'd feel if someone had decided to cut her tits off on her behalf

I believe quite a lot of Americans (and possibly Canadians too) believe it's more hygienic due to some junk science from the 60s or 70s. Another religion.

I was born in a country where it's the norm, for religious reasons. My parents are absolutely non-religious but did it anyway. I asked them why (obviously when I was older, if I could talk when it was getting done I would have asked them to kindly stop) - "we had to... it was the norm... everyone did it... it would be weird not to".... FFS that is the weakest, least convincing reason I have ever heard for performing elective cosmetic surgery on a newborn's wobbly bits!

Anyway, 30 years later and living in the UK where it's not the norm... I now have a newborn son. I had heard that it's more hygienic, etc. so before he was born I decided to Google it... It really doesn't take more than a few minutes on Google to 100% conclusively decide that the "science" behind it is absolute bullst.
Now that he has been born, I genuinely can't imagine how anyone could voluntarily cut bits off their perfect newborn baby?? If I accidentally scratch him with a fingernail I'm basically inconsolable...
I have no idea what was going through my parents' minds 30 years ago - they are very well educated and seem like reasonable people so how on Earth could they have thought it was the right thing to do?

And then there's FGM.

Bizarre... Just bizarre.