FGM Parties

[Oakey]

Liokault said:

Its not just Jews though is it? My partner is Canadian and catholic, she still thinks my uncut member is weird and would like our son to be done.

Why, what harm is it doing to your son? That's how he was born, surely it should be his decision?

Why don'the you ask her how she'd feel if someone had decided to cut her tits off on her behalf

[rscott]

SKP555 said:

Liokault said:

Its not a Muslim thing, I think that most of this will be African and largly Christian

That's the BBC view. Wikipedia seems to think otherwise

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on...

It definitely happens amongst non Muslims but the link is a bit deeper than simply a local custom in parts of Africa.

The NHS, WHO, Human Rights Watch,etc all claim it's less down to religion and more social custom.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/06/16/qa-female-geni...
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/female-genital-mutila...
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en...
http://www.stopfgmmideast.org/background/islam-or-...

[SKP555]

Oakey said:

Why, what harm is it doing to your son? That's how he was born, surely it should be his decision?

Why don'the you ask her how she'd feel if someone had decided to cut her tits off on her behalf

I believe quite a lot of Americans (and possibly Canadians too) believe it's more hygienic due to some junk science from the 60s or 70s. Another religion.

[SKP555]

rscott said:

The NHS, WHO, Human Rights Watch,etc all claim it's less down to religion and more social custom.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/06/16/qa-female-geni...
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/female-genital-mutila...
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en...
http://www.stopfgmmideast.org/background/islam-or-...

As they would...

[Mrr T]

Liokault said:

gruffalo said:

If there is evidence of FGM on a girl under 18 years old could the parents not be prosecuted for some for of neglect?

Clearly, they could be prosecuted for something, probably worse than neglect. The question is why zero cases in court right now.

Here’s a link which explains the data. If you read it you will see why there are almost no prosecutions.

http://content.digital.nhs.uk/article/7180/First-ever-annual-statistical-publication-for-FGM-shows-5700-newly-recorded-cases-during-2015-16

[rscott]

SKP555 said:

rscott said:

The NHS, WHO, Human Rights Watch,etc all claim it's less down to religion and more social custom.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/06/16/qa-female-geni...
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/female-genital-mutila...
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en...
http://www.stopfgmmideast.org/background/islam-or-...

As they would...

So they're all lying to cover up for those nasty Mooslimbs?

[Oakey]

SKP555 said:

Oakey said:

Why, what harm is it doing to your son? That's how he was born, surely it should be his decision?

Why don'the you ask her how she'd feel if someone had decided to cut her tits off on her behalf

I believe quite a lot of Americans (and possibly Canadians too) believe it's more hygienic due to some junk science from the 60s or 70s. Another religion.

How difficult is it to teach their kid to keep it clean?

I mean, it's not like women are immune to smegma themselves either yet I don't see people suggest chopping off their piss flaps as a solution.

[SKP555]

rscott said:

So they're all lying to cover up for those nasty Mooslimbs?

Not lying. It is largely cultural and specific to certain areas but as per the Wikipedia link I posted there is a definite connection with Islam and the practice is considered either obligatory or desirable in all the major schools of Islam.

I suspect they are being selective with how they report it. Just as they were with "Asian" grooming gangs.

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

Liokault said:

Its not just Jews though is it? My partner is Canadian and catholic, she still thinks my uncut member is weird and would like our son to be done.

...and you tell to keep her worrying child abuse thoughts to herself I hope.

[MrNoisy]

Amazing how many seem apologetic of this? Quite disgusting really.

It's obvious nothing is done due to the cultural barrier/sensitivity/fear of offence that has arisen from decades of frantic cultural shift and the lack of government institutions being able to keep up.

Until that is openly discussed without the debate being shut down because it sounds western imperialist anti-muslim tosh these poor girls will continue to be mutilated.

This isn't the 'odd' case. There is a large element of recent immigrant society in this country carrying out this practice according to that report. There won't be many politicians willing to stick their head above the parapet on this issue, that's for sure.

[del mar]

rscott said:

SKP555 said:

rscott said:

The NHS, WHO, Human Rights Watch,etc all claim it's less down to religion and more social custom.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/06/16/qa-female-geni...
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/female-genital-mutila...
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en...
http://www.stopfgmmideast.org/background/islam-or-...

As they would...

So they're all lying to cover up for those nasty Mooslimbs?

Even I would almost agree with Rscott here, it does tend to be a cultural African issue rather than anything else. Although yes the book does recommend it and is more prevalent in Muslim countries than they would have you believe.

That said;

Wikipedia lists the top 5 countries as;
Somalia 98%
Guinea 97%
Djibouti 93%
Egypt 91%
Sierra Leone 90%

There is also a high concentration in Indonesia - although it doesn't define "high".

Whilst I accept it tends to be cultural, the top 5 are all Muslim countries and it tends to be prevalent in Muslim communities in other countries ???

If people in other countries want to cut bits off their own daughters it is not for us to intervene - we aren't good at getting involved in other countries, and it doesn't both me.

It is an issue when it happens here and we then incur costs and time dealing with an imported problem, do not import problems !!

Social Services are only running at 60% capacity so we are ok..

[rscott]

del mar said:

Even I would almost agree with Rscott here, it does tend to be a cultural African issue rather than anything else. Although yes the book does recommend it and is more prevalent in Muslim countries than they would have you believe.

That said;

Wikipedia lists the top 5 countries as;
Somalia 98%
Guinea 97%
Djibouti 93%
Egypt 91%
Sierra Leone 90%

There is also a high concentration in Indonesia - although it doesn't define "high".

Whilst I accept it tends to be cultural, the top 5 are all Muslim countries and it tends to be prevalent in Muslim communities in other countries ???
[b]
If people in other countries want to cut bits off their own daughters it is not for us to intervene - we aren't good at getting involved in other countries, and it doesn't both me.

It is an issue when it happens here and we then incur costs and time dealing with an imported problem, do not import problems !! [/b]

Social Services are only running at 60% capacity so we are ok..

The point missed by some on this thread is that the figures given earlier aren't for FGM carried out in the UK, but for FGM detected here. So could have occurred anywhere and anytime during the woman's life.
I'm simply saying that as a partial explanation as to why prosecutions aren't common (if at all) and in no way condoning or supporting the horrible practice.

[StottyEvo]

pork911 said:

StottyEvo said:

thetoxicnerve said:

pork911 said:

But cutting baby dicks is fine.

Indeed but heaven forbid anyone criticise this practice and therefore, by associations, Jews.

To be fair, I'm not a fan of neither but circumcising doesn't cause much harm (arguably none at all) FGM clearly causes lots and lots of harm.

I think you're both aware of this though, so I'm not sure why you're making the point.

You'll be fully aware of what the legislation covers, that but for inclusion of 'female' it would absolutely cover cutting baby dicks and the lack of any valid reason why it doesn't.

Because cutting baby dicks causes little to no harm. I'd call that a valid reason for why it isn't covered.

[Rick101]

Maybe I should cut of my kids earlobes just for fun.

[Mrr T]

MrNoisy said:

Amazing how many seem apologetic of this? Quite disgusting really.

There is a large element of recent immigrant society in this country carrying out this practice according to that report. There won't be many politicians willing to stick their head above the parapet on this issue, that's for sure.

No there is not, read my posts and the link to the data.

[Sheets Tabuer]

At least my swingers parties are less of a taboo these days...

[rscott]

Mrr T said:

MrNoisy said:

Amazing how many seem apologetic of this? Quite disgusting really.

There is a large element of recent immigrant society in this country carrying out this practice according to that report. There won't be many politicians willing to stick their head above the parapet on this issue, that's for sure.

No there is not, read my posts and the link to the data.

I'd give up - they're not reading it, no matter how many times it's posted.

[pork911]

StottyEvo said:

pork911 said:

StottyEvo said:

thetoxicnerve said:

pork911 said:

But cutting baby dicks is fine.

Indeed but heaven forbid anyone criticise this practice and therefore, by associations, Jews.

To be fair, I'm not a fan of neither but circumcising doesn't cause much harm (arguably none at all) FGM clearly causes lots and lots of harm.

I think you're both aware of this though, so I'm not sure why you're making the point.

You'll be fully aware of what the legislation covers, that but for inclusion of 'female' it would absolutely cover cutting baby dicks and the lack of any valid reason why it doesn't.

Because cutting baby dicks causes little to no harm. I'd call that a valid reason for why it isn't covered.

Hmmm. Regardless, you will be fully aware of the legislation before invoking harm.

[del mar]

rscott said:

The point missed by some on this thread is that the figures given earlier aren't for FGM carried out in the UK, but for FGM detected here. So could have occurred anywhere and anytime during the woman's life.
I'm simply saying that as a partial explanation as to why prosecutions aren't common (if at all) and in no way condoning or supporting the horrible practice.

Agreed, although the idea of parties to carry mass cutting seems new.

[Mrr T]

rscott said:

Mrr T said:

MrNoisy said:

Amazing how many seem apologetic of this? Quite disgusting really.

There is a large element of recent immigrant society in this country carrying out this practice according to that report. There won't be many politicians willing to stick their head above the parapet on this issue, that's for sure.

No there is not, read my posts and the link to the data.

I'd give up - they're not reading it, no matter how many times it's posted.

You are most likely correct. I was aware these figures where rubbish but I was even surprised when I read the details.

It seems that a woman who decides to get herself a genital piercing would also be included in the statistics.