Snap General Election?
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The people who worry me are those who seem to let all the flounce and floss of the election campaigns change, or sway the way they vote. Are people really that shallow, or dumb to believe the crap produced by all political parties in the run up to an election?
I always found it odd, that politicians promised the electorate the moon on a stick in their election campaigns, and thought why do they only promise all these wonderful free goodies in the run up to the election when they should have just introduced them during their terms of office. Everyone surely knows by now, that what people are promised by governments is rarely what they actually get.
Perhaps the various political parties do this thinking they can mop up the votes of the hard of thinking by offering the moon and the stars (all for free of course), whilst anyone who actually thought about the way they will vote in depth, would vote they way they intended to, in any case regardless of the crap produced in the various election campaigns.
None of the election campaign crap has had the slightest influence on the way I intend to vote.
I always found it odd, that politicians promised the electorate the moon on a stick in their election campaigns, and thought why do they only promise all these wonderful free goodies in the run up to the election when they should have just introduced them during their terms of office. Everyone surely knows by now, that what people are promised by governments is rarely what they actually get.
Perhaps the various political parties do this thinking they can mop up the votes of the hard of thinking by offering the moon and the stars (all for free of course), whilst anyone who actually thought about the way they will vote in depth, would vote they way they intended to, in any case regardless of the crap produced in the various election campaigns.
None of the election campaign crap has had the slightest influence on the way I intend to vote.
MellowshipSlinky said:
It's almost as if the Tories don't *want* to win the election.
More, wanting the opposition to take power for when the surely forthcoming Brexit / economic s
tstorm hits, and then another GE...
Part of me almost wonders if some parts of the party realise how much in-party backstabbing will go on if they get a huge majority, and they're leaving the goal open a bit as a result to try and avoid that. More, wanting the opposition to take power for when the surely forthcoming Brexit / economic s
tstorm hits, and then another GE...Traditionally the Tories are much better at fighting elections than this.
Pan Pan Pan said:
The people who worry me are those who seem to let all the flounce and floss of the election campaigns change, or sway the way they vote. Are people really that shallow, or dumb to believe the crap produced by all political parties in the run up to an election?
I always found it odd, that politicians promised the electorate the moon on a stick in their election campaigns, and thought why do they only promise all these wonderful free goodies in the run up to the election when they should have just introduced them during their terms of office. Everyone surely knows by now, that what people are promised by governments is rarely what they actually get.
Perhaps the various political parties do this thinking they can mop up the votes of the hard of thinking by offering the moon and the stars (all for free of course), whilst anyone who actually thought about the way they will vote in depth, would vote they way they intended to, in any case regardless of the crap produced in the various election campaigns.
None of the election campaign crap has had the slightest influence on the way I intend to vote.
I'm the opposite. People who vote one way because they always do are the ones who scare me. I always found it odd, that politicians promised the electorate the moon on a stick in their election campaigns, and thought why do they only promise all these wonderful free goodies in the run up to the election when they should have just introduced them during their terms of office. Everyone surely knows by now, that what people are promised by governments is rarely what they actually get.
Perhaps the various political parties do this thinking they can mop up the votes of the hard of thinking by offering the moon and the stars (all for free of course), whilst anyone who actually thought about the way they will vote in depth, would vote they way they intended to, in any case regardless of the crap produced in the various election campaigns.
None of the election campaign crap has had the slightest influence on the way I intend to vote.
You should vote which party speaks most to you at an election time and then try to hold them to account.
@ turbobloke
I was being rather flippant, due to the crap campaign they seem to be waging.
I'm sure in reality they'd love to still be at the helm, and steer the slowly sinking ship to safety, but can also imagine TM on the morning of the 9th, having lost to Corbyn, feet up on the desk, casually writing a note 'sucker' and sending a lackey to drop it on his desk.
p1stonhead said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The people who worry me are those who seem to let all the flounce and floss of the election campaigns change, or sway the way they vote. Are people really that shallow, or dumb to believe the crap produced by all political parties in the run up to an election?
I always found it odd, that politicians promised the electorate the moon on a stick in their election campaigns, and thought why do they only promise all these wonderful free goodies in the run up to the election when they should have just introduced them during their terms of office. Everyone surely knows by now, that what people are promised by governments is rarely what they actually get.
Perhaps the various political parties do this thinking they can mop up the votes of the hard of thinking by offering the moon and the stars (all for free of course), whilst anyone who actually thought about the way they will vote in depth, would vote they way they intended to, in any case regardless of the crap produced in the various election campaigns.
None of the election campaign crap has had the slightest influence on the way I intend to vote.
I'm the opposite. People who vote one way because they always do are the ones who scare me. I always found it odd, that politicians promised the electorate the moon on a stick in their election campaigns, and thought why do they only promise all these wonderful free goodies in the run up to the election when they should have just introduced them during their terms of office. Everyone surely knows by now, that what people are promised by governments is rarely what they actually get.
Perhaps the various political parties do this thinking they can mop up the votes of the hard of thinking by offering the moon and the stars (all for free of course), whilst anyone who actually thought about the way they will vote in depth, would vote they way they intended to, in any case regardless of the crap produced in the various election campaigns.
None of the election campaign crap has had the slightest influence on the way I intend to vote.
You should vote which party speaks most to you at an election time and then try to hold them to account.
Parties don't change their spots and Corbyn's manifesto this time around is dire. Labour will borrow more and spend more, nationalise the cat at Number 10, big up their paymaster unions, penalise success at individual and corporate level, demonstrate economic illiteracy, and more than likely end up inviting the IMF for dininer. What I see in their manifesto this time is like a 70s repeat on the telly, possibly worse than the original. As a result I won't be changing my voting decision.
I haven't mentioned Tim Who's lot as they're irrelevant.
oop north said:
BigMon said:
turbobloke said:
With the prospect of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott in office there's no need for a project making up all manner of scare stories, reality as based on what we can see - here and now - is already scary enough, so it's less likely that a sufficient proportion of the electorate can be persuaded that present reality is wrong and that the future would be different i.e. less scary.
Well they need to sack whoever is in charge of their campaign and get someone in who can do the above then.At the moment they are doing a terrible job of it.
sidicks said:
p1stonhead said:
I'm the opposite. People who vote one way because they always do are the ones who scare me.
You should vote which party speaks most to you at an election time and then try to hold them to account.
Only if their words are credible!You should vote which party speaks most to you at an election time and then try to hold them to account.
MellowshipSlinky said:
@ turbobloke
I was being rather flippant, due to the crap campaign they seem to be waging.
OK understood and I agree to the extent that the campaign has been less than totally effective - but the situation as it stands represents a choice between being fed on spin and schmaltzy goo with key issues kept under wraps for fear of scaring the horses at The Guardian, or being told the truth and treated as grown-ups. I was being rather flippant, due to the crap campaign they seem to be waging.
The fact that the latter option was attempted and caused consternation doesn't make the campaign bad, just less effective than it might have been, purely because child-like media and fairytale lovers in the electorate apparently want spin and schmaltzy goo with key issues kept under wraps. I prefer facing reality but can still recognise that offering a dose of reality has gone down badly elsewhere.
I don't think it's bad enough to lose however. We shall see.
p1stonhead said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The people who worry me are those who seem to let all the flounce and floss of the election campaigns change, or sway the way they vote. Are people really that shallow, or dumb to believe the crap produced by all political parties in the run up to an election?
I always found it odd, that politicians promised the electorate the moon on a stick in their election campaigns, and thought why do they only promise all these wonderful free goodies in the run up to the election when they should have just introduced them during their terms of office. Everyone surely knows by now, that what people are promised by governments is rarely what they actually get.
Perhaps the various political parties do this thinking they can mop up the votes of the hard of thinking by offering the moon and the stars (all for free of course), whilst anyone who actually thought about the way they will vote in depth, would vote they way they intended to, in any case regardless of the crap produced in the various election campaigns.
None of the election campaign crap has had the slightest influence on the way I intend to vote.
I'm the opposite. People who vote one way because they always do are the ones who scare me. I always found it odd, that politicians promised the electorate the moon on a stick in their election campaigns, and thought why do they only promise all these wonderful free goodies in the run up to the election when they should have just introduced them during their terms of office. Everyone surely knows by now, that what people are promised by governments is rarely what they actually get.
Perhaps the various political parties do this thinking they can mop up the votes of the hard of thinking by offering the moon and the stars (all for free of course), whilst anyone who actually thought about the way they will vote in depth, would vote they way they intended to, in any case regardless of the crap produced in the various election campaigns.
None of the election campaign crap has had the slightest influence on the way I intend to vote.
You should vote which party speaks most to you at an election time and then try to hold them to account.
As posted before, the only issue I will vote on, is which party do I believe is likely to do the UK as a whole, the least harm. All the (usually) empty promises which all the parties spout out in the run up to the election, is really just useless noise and dross.
deadslow said:
sidicks said:
p1stonhead said:
I'm the opposite. People who vote one way because they always do are the ones who scare me.
You should vote which party speaks most to you at an election time and then try to hold them to account.
Only if their words are credible!You should vote which party speaks most to you at an election time and then try to hold them to account.
sidicks said:
deadslow said:
so not the Tories, then. Incompetent careerist liars with a proven track record of complete failure in negotiations with the EU. Christ, are the Uk electorate on crack?
So who will you be voting for then?!Everyone I know except one person is voting labour though - mostly 'tactically'. I'm fairly young though (30) as are most of the people I know. There is a big 'anyone but tory' thing going around Facebook it would seem. Not many seem to discuss the financial difficulties with the labour manifesto though. Based on people I know you would be forgiven in thinking that no one under 30 would ever vote Tory unless they literally had a gun to their head.
sidicks said:
deadslow said:
so not the Tories, then. Incompetent careerist liars with a proven track record of complete failure in negotiations with the EU. Christ, are the Uk electorate on crack?
So who will you be voting for then?!p1stonhead said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The people who worry me are those who seem to let all the flounce and floss of the election campaigns change, or sway the way they vote. Are people really that shallow, or dumb to believe the crap produced by all political parties in the run up to an election?
I always found it odd, that politicians promised the electorate the moon on a stick in their election campaigns, and thought why do they only promise all these wonderful free goodies in the run up to the election when they should have just introduced them during their terms of office. Everyone surely knows by now, that what people are promised by governments is rarely what they actually get.
Perhaps the various political parties do this thinking they can mop up the votes of the hard of thinking by offering the moon and the stars (all for free of course), whilst anyone who actually thought about the way they will vote in depth, would vote they way they intended to, in any case regardless of the crap produced in the various election campaigns.
None of the election campaign crap has had the slightest influence on the way I intend to vote.
I'm the opposite. People who vote one way because they always do are the ones who scare me. I always found it odd, that politicians promised the electorate the moon on a stick in their election campaigns, and thought why do they only promise all these wonderful free goodies in the run up to the election when they should have just introduced them during their terms of office. Everyone surely knows by now, that what people are promised by governments is rarely what they actually get.
Perhaps the various political parties do this thinking they can mop up the votes of the hard of thinking by offering the moon and the stars (all for free of course), whilst anyone who actually thought about the way they will vote in depth, would vote they way they intended to, in any case regardless of the crap produced in the various election campaigns.
None of the election campaign crap has had the slightest influence on the way I intend to vote.
You should vote which party speaks most to you at an election time and then try to hold them to account.
The conservatives are a completely different party than the conservatives of Thatcher, just as the Labour Party of Corbyn are completely different to the party of Blair.
p1stonhead said:
sidicks said:
deadslow said:
so not the Tories, then. Incompetent careerist liars with a proven track record of complete failure in negotiations with the EU. Christ, are the Uk electorate on crack?
So who will you be voting for then?!In spite of all that, the least worst option is........?
El stovey said:
p1stonhead said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The people who worry me are those who seem to let all the flounce and floss of the election campaigns change, or sway the way they vote. Are people really that shallow, or dumb to believe the crap produced by all political parties in the run up to an election?
I always found it odd, that politicians promised the electorate the moon on a stick in their election campaigns, and thought why do they only promise all these wonderful free goodies in the run up to the election when they should have just introduced them during their terms of office. Everyone surely knows by now, that what people are promised by governments is rarely what they actually get.
Perhaps the various political parties do this thinking they can mop up the votes of the hard of thinking by offering the moon and the stars (all for free of course), whilst anyone who actually thought about the way they will vote in depth, would vote they way they intended to, in any case regardless of the crap produced in the various election campaigns.
None of the election campaign crap has had the slightest influence on the way I intend to vote.
I'm the opposite. People who vote one way because they always do are the ones who scare me. I always found it odd, that politicians promised the electorate the moon on a stick in their election campaigns, and thought why do they only promise all these wonderful free goodies in the run up to the election when they should have just introduced them during their terms of office. Everyone surely knows by now, that what people are promised by governments is rarely what they actually get.
Perhaps the various political parties do this thinking they can mop up the votes of the hard of thinking by offering the moon and the stars (all for free of course), whilst anyone who actually thought about the way they will vote in depth, would vote they way they intended to, in any case regardless of the crap produced in the various election campaigns.
None of the election campaign crap has had the slightest influence on the way I intend to vote.
You should vote which party speaks most to you at an election time and then try to hold them to account.
The basis centred around which Party will do the least harm, this appears to be very close to what I and others have been saying in terms of the least worst option.
So, not regardless for PPP or me, since any occasion where the Tories look likely to cause more harm than an alternative i.e. another Party is the least worst option, then voting intentions will change. So far in my voting career I've never seen any Party other than the Conservatives as the least worst option, but that doesn't mean I forego all considerations and vote from habit.
It may be described as a habit by anyone taking a superficial view due to wanting to misrepresent the reality of the situation, but that's more about how badly some other people are prepared to behave.
turbobloke said:
El stovey said:
p1stonhead said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The people who worry me are those who seem to let all the flounce and floss of the election campaigns change, or sway the way they vote. Are people really that shallow, or dumb to believe the crap produced by all political parties in the run up to an election?
I always found it odd, that politicians promised the electorate the moon on a stick in their election campaigns, and thought why do they only promise all these wonderful free goodies in the run up to the election when they should have just introduced them during their terms of office. Everyone surely knows by now, that what people are promised by governments is rarely what they actually get.
Perhaps the various political parties do this thinking they can mop up the votes of the hard of thinking by offering the moon and the stars (all for free of course), whilst anyone who actually thought about the way they will vote in depth, would vote they way they intended to, in any case regardless of the crap produced in the various election campaigns.
None of the election campaign crap has had the slightest influence on the way I intend to vote.
I'm the opposite. People who vote one way because they always do are the ones who scare me. I always found it odd, that politicians promised the electorate the moon on a stick in their election campaigns, and thought why do they only promise all these wonderful free goodies in the run up to the election when they should have just introduced them during their terms of office. Everyone surely knows by now, that what people are promised by governments is rarely what they actually get.
Perhaps the various political parties do this thinking they can mop up the votes of the hard of thinking by offering the moon and the stars (all for free of course), whilst anyone who actually thought about the way they will vote in depth, would vote they way they intended to, in any case regardless of the crap produced in the various election campaigns.
None of the election campaign crap has had the slightest influence on the way I intend to vote.
You should vote which party speaks most to you at an election time and then try to hold them to account.
The basis centred around which Party will do the least harm, this appears to be very close to what I and others have been saying in terms of the least worst option.
So, not regardless for PPP or me, since any occasion where the Tories look likely to cause more harm than an alternative i.e. another Party is the least worst option, then voting intentions will change. So far in my voting career I've never seen any Party other than the Conservatives as the least worst option, but that doesn't mean I forego all considerations and vote from habit.
It may be described as a habit by anyone wanting to misrepresent the reality of the situation, but that's more about how badly some other people are prepared to behave.
turbobloke said:
p1stonhead said:
sidicks said:
deadslow said:
so not the Tories, then. Incompetent careerist liars with a proven track record of complete failure in negotiations with the EU. Christ, are the Uk electorate on crack?
So who will you be voting for then?!In spite of all that, the least worst option is........?
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