The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain
Discussion
Evanivitch said:
Ivan stewart said:
Hydrogen seems like a good idea unless we go nuclear..
Err where's the hydrogen coming from?
tamore said:
Ivan stewart said:
Hydrogen seems like a good idea........
no it doesn't.Edited by Ivan stewart on Saturday 18th March 21:50
PushedDover said:
Cobnapint said:
But we've closed most of our generating capacity down and replaced it with mostly unreliable wind.
It's been done to death on here.
Done to death by yourself does not give it validity fyi It's been done to death on here.
jurbie said:
Just catching up a little on this thread and I read a piece in The Economist that disputes the above and claims the real problem for renewables is that energy isn't expensive enough. An odd thing to say at the moment but apparently all the efforts going into keep energy prices at a vaguely sensible level for the end consumer means there is no profit in renewables. The article was basically arguing for doing away with energy price caps and other interventions.
The article will be pay-walled so I don't want to quote too much of it but it was published on February 16th and was called 'The world won’t decarbonise fast enough unless renewables make real money.'
Indeed as Ørsted are currently flexing pre-and post budget - they are allegedly think whether to build Hornsea3The article will be pay-walled so I don't want to quote too much of it but it was published on February 16th and was called 'The world won’t decarbonise fast enough unless renewables make real money.'
The Economist said:
The bigger problem is that some renewables providers are now rethinking their investments altogether, because energy projects are becoming less attractive. Price caps and various taxes, together with rising costs, are putting them off.
It concluded with:The Economist said:
All this means that, if investing is to stay attractive, green power will need to be sold at higher prices than governments would like. If the energy transition is to happen fast, there must not be a race to the bottom.
See Benji on Sky :
https://youtu.be/ggIjy0_4sd4
PushedDover said:
Indeed as Ørsted are currently flexing pre-and post budget - they are allegedly think whether to build Hornsea3
See Benji on Sky :
https://youtu.be/ggIjy0_4sd4
Hopefully Great British Energy can take up the project instead.See Benji on Sky :
https://youtu.be/ggIjy0_4sd4
PushedDover said:
jurbie said:
Just catching up a little on this thread and I read a piece in The Economist that disputes the above and claims the real problem for renewables is that energy isn't expensive enough. An odd thing to say at the moment but apparently all the efforts going into keep energy prices at a vaguely sensible level for the end consumer means there is no profit in renewables. The article was basically arguing for doing away with energy price caps and other interventions.
The article will be pay-walled so I don't want to quote too much of it but it was published on February 16th and was called 'The world won’t decarbonise fast enough unless renewables make real money.'
Indeed as Ørsted are currently flexing pre-and post budget - they are allegedly think whether to build Hornsea3The article will be pay-walled so I don't want to quote too much of it but it was published on February 16th and was called 'The world won’t decarbonise fast enough unless renewables make real money.'
The Economist said:
The bigger problem is that some renewables providers are now rethinking their investments altogether, because energy projects are becoming less attractive. Price caps and various taxes, together with rising costs, are putting them off.
It concluded with:The Economist said:
All this means that, if investing is to stay attractive, green power will need to be sold at higher prices than governments would like. If the energy transition is to happen fast, there must not be a race to the bottom.
See Benji on Sky :
https://youtu.be/ggIjy0_4sd4
https://www.netzerowatch.com/the-shameless-blackma...
Evanivitch said:
Hopefully Great British Energy can take up the project instead.
Lols, right?What has the public sector ever achieved cheaper than private?
Oh as said elsewhere
Ivan stewart said:
All I know is power is much more expensive than is good for our economy and we have been failed by successive governments
PushedDover said:
Evanivitch said:
Hopefully Great British Energy can take up the project instead.
Lols, right?What has the public sector ever achieved cheaper than private?
Oh as said elsewhere
Ivan stewart said:
All I know is power is much more expensive than is good for our economy and we have been failed by successive governments
https://orsted.com/en/company-announcement-list/20...
dickymint said:
I thought we agreed that most of this was b
ks?Or at least, there is a point in there worth discussing, but it's been dressed up in so much b
ks that it bares little resemblance to the point in question. Condi said:
dickymint said:
I thought we agreed that most of this was bks?Or at least, there is a point in there worth discussing, but it's been dressed up in so much b
ks that it bares little resemblance to the point in question. 
Evanivitch said:
Our power costs are expensive and most of that profit leaves the country due to lack of British ownership. Orsted have broken records in part thanks to Hornsea 2. Norway has a sovereign wealth fund build on ownership of their energy infrastructure.
https://orsted.com/en/company-announcement-list/20...
Despite efforts by Gov(s), when it comes to emergy security, cheap access to energy, and Uk content- you can only pick two of the three.https://orsted.com/en/company-announcement-list/20...
dickymint said:
It needed to be re-posted in response to that Sky News video as Orsted are now whinging about the budget and again threatening to pull out! OK "blackmail" is a bit strong but there are many other synonyms that would fit
Wont let viewing without cookies being logged?Nah
Ivan stewart said:
Why ?? If you used intermittent renewable energy to produce hydrogen at source ,it’s easy to store so you have power ready to use day and night And I would think cheaper to transport than electricity ..
round trip efficiency is terrible, it leaks like a *** as it is so small so not that easy to store, and if we have an entirely electric energy sector, the storage capacity needed would be huge, far greater than we are failing to provision for natural gas when it only makes up a small fraction of the sector.PushedDover said:
dickymint said:
It needed to be re-posted in response to that Sky News video as Orsted are now whinging about the budget and again threatening to pull out! OK "blackmail" is a bit strong but there are many other synonyms that would fit
Wont let viewing without cookies being logged?Nah
PushedDover said:
Despite efforts by Gov(s), when it comes to emergy security, cheap access to energy, and Uk content- you can only pick two of the three.
Across the whole grid, yes. But at a generation level energy security is irrelevant. We're not asking wind generators to defy physics. But it's clearly a profitable business with significant growth ahead in the UK and opportunities to export energy and NRE.Even if GBE only makes financial sense in generation, that's still more sense than any of it makes right now.
Evanivitch said:
PushedDover said:
Despite efforts by Gov(s), when it comes to emergy security, cheap access to energy, and Uk content- you can only pick two of the three.
Across the whole grid, yes. But at a generation level energy security is irrelevant. We're not asking wind generators to defy physics. But it's clearly a profitable business with significant growth ahead in the UK and opportunities to export energy and NRE.Even if GBE only makes financial sense in generation, that's still more sense than any of it makes right now.
How’s that gas from Russia working out
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