Moped gang rob Porsche driver at knife point for watch

[Halb]

untakenname said:

I drive a cheap modded car with with road presence so it's a deterrent but I noticed when I had a hire car that I was followed a while back which I found disconcerting.

Your car is a deterrent to thieves on mopeds?

[turbobloke]

Pan Pan Pan said:

untakenname said:

Might be worth tinting the windows with security film, this 3m stuff is .3mm thick yet deters entry even with firearms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96x2tO9Xuxw

Living in S/E London I often see mopeds driven by scum two up in balaclava's with no helmets, why nothing is done I don't know.

Luckily I drive a cheap modded car with with road presence so it's a deterrent but I noticed when I had a hire car that I was followed a while back which I found disconcerting.

I've witnessed multiple phone jackings over the past couple of years when I worked by Loughborough Junction so am always weary when using my phone on the street.

The problem with a heavy tint, is that the driver might be pulled by the police, and the light emissivity through the windows checked, which itself, can result in a traffic offence, and possible fine and points on the license. Possibly the best defense is to be aware of ones surroundings, and stay clear as much as possible, from dodgy looking places, or people, not a fantastic solution I know, but short of carrying a licensed gun (and that brings with it a whole other set of problems) there does not seem to be much else that drivers can do. What would be the position if a taser is used by a driver? would that still stop them getting an acid shower, in the event of a crime of this type?

As per your post and others, there are things we can do to deter attacks, though nothing is 100% guaranteed... lock doors when driving, keep windows closed ideally after fitting security film to guard against spark plugs and kit nicked from the school workshop, leave a decent gap in front when stopping in a queue, keep valuables including watches hidden, The taser thing, like pepper spray I had thought we're not allowed that sort of kit.

http://www.smashgard.co.uk/vehicle-safety-and-secu...

[CoolHands]

RX-8 Yo!

[egor110]

garagewidow said:

it's the element of surprise,

catching people unawares in a world of their own,

I doubt they would try if your windows were up.

Plus 99% of people on here don't normally get into physical altercations .

Lots of people talking up a good fight but these scooter thieves and doing this sort of thing multiple times every day , it's there job.

You also have to consider that even if you are some super hard brick st house, that a knife or acid and being willling to use them is going to beat you.

[Cobnapint]

Mike335i said:

Haven't read the thread (point might have already been made), but is the solution not to just close the window, lock the door and tell them to fornicate themselves?

Or reach out and push them over? Seems bizarre to me to just hand it over.

So you reach out and the pillion scroat with the knife slashes your arm severing a major blood vessel, or they get up from the floor after being pushed off and one of them comes back and lunges at your neck or face.

You see where this is going.

I also see where this country is going. We don't have enough police. We don't have enough prison places. And we live in a society where the police have been made so accountable for absolutely everything they do, they are in a position where they are scared to act in case they either get the sack or spark several nights of civil unrest.

So much for a liberal society. Well done the hand wringing PC brigade.

[Pan Pan Pan]

turbobloke said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

untakenname said:

Might be worth tinting the windows with security film, this 3m stuff is .3mm thick yet deters entry even with firearms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96x2tO9Xuxw

Living in S/E London I often see mopeds driven by scum two up in balaclava's with no helmets, why nothing is done I don't know.

Luckily I drive a cheap modded car with with road presence so it's a deterrent but I noticed when I had a hire car that I was followed a while back which I found disconcerting.

I've witnessed multiple phone jackings over the past couple of years when I worked by Loughborough Junction so am always weary when using my phone on the street.

The problem with a heavy tint, is that the driver might be pulled by the police, and the light emissivity through the windows checked, which itself, can result in a traffic offence, and possible fine and points on the license. Possibly the best defense is to be aware of ones surroundings, and stay clear as much as possible, from dodgy looking places, or people, not a fantastic solution I know, but short of carrying a licensed gun (and that brings with it a whole other set of problems) there does not seem to be much else that drivers can do. What would be the position if a taser is used by a driver? would that still stop them getting an acid shower, in the event of a crime of this type?

As per your post and others, there are things we can do to deter attacks, though nothing is 100% guaranteed... lock doors when driving, keep windows closed ideally after fitting security film to guard against spark plugs and kit nicked from the school workshop, leave a decent gap in front when stopping in a queue, keep valuables including watches hidden, The taser thing, like pepper spray I had thought we're not allowed that sort of kit.

http://www.smashgard.co.uk/vehicle-safety-and-secu...

Exactly, even if one did have a `legal' gun /tazer/ pepper spray etc, these would not prevent a driver from getting a face full of acid in the event of an attack. the gun might only help if the criminals were shot at such a distance from a car that they could not throw acid at the driver, but then, how at this distance would a driver be able to show he was about to be attacked?
As seen in a dash cam video a woman was set up by scooter scrotes in a scam where it was `supposed' to show she had run into the scooter, but when she pointed out to them that whole thing had been caught on camera, the pair of them involved in the scam, disappeared like smoke in a wind tunnel..

[Alucidnation]

Cobnapint said:

So you reach out and the pillion scroat with the knife slashes your arm severing a major blood vessel, or they get up from the floor after being pushed off and one of them comes back and lunges at your neck or face.

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I would think that opening the door into them would be effective.

[untakenname]

Pan Pan Pan said:

The problem with a heavy tint, is that the driver might be pulled by the police, and the light emissivity through the windows checked, which itself, can result in a traffic offence, and possible fine and points on the license. Possibly the best defense is to be aware of ones surroundings, and stay clear as much as possible, from dodgy looking places, or people

Looks like the light transmission would still pass unless the front windows are already tinted to the max allowed from the factory?

http://solutions.3m.co.uk/3MContentRetrievalAPI/Bl...

Living in London unfortunately it's hard to escape from dodgy places or people.

Halb said:

Your car is a deterrent to thieves on mopeds?

I think so, muggers will make a split second judgement call so car that's loud (either exhaust/sub) debadged, lowered, bodykit and so on is generally going to be driven by someone younger and perhaps likely to have mutual friends etc... so they will move onto an easier target.
My car doesn't cost a lot either so it's unlikely that I'll be wearing an expensive watch.

I notice the change in how others behave towards me on the road when I switch cars, I've got used to anything Japanese or modded revving for traffic light gp's when I'm driving so when I switch cars it's immediately noticeable that I get a lot less respect from other road users, cars pulling out all the time, pushing me along when I'm doing the speed limit etc when I'm in a bog standard fiesta which never happened in the RX8.
Had a nice car (convertible F-type) for the weekend and noticed I was being followed which was very disconcerting.



Last summer every car down my road had the windscreen wipers flipped up by what I assume to be drunk children yet mine was left alone, same happened a while back when lots of cars were scratched in a car park yet mine was avoided.

[Jonesy23]

Here is a bit of a reality check.

Let's say for example you are in your car and someone decides to rob or attack you.

You have space to manoeuvre and an utter disregard for the wellbeing of the people who mean you harm. Nothing is off the table.

So you get past the initial shock of the situation, do the necessary, incapacitate the attacker (screech, bang, thump, they aren't getting up again) and get the fk out of Dodge.

Problem is this isn't the end. You've avoided the original problem but you've still got to deal with the Police ('cos there were witnesses and being a law abiding citizen you're traceable) and make sure there's no further action or fallout. You've got a damaged car you need to fix (nice big dent in a panel/broken glass) and complications with insurance due to the circumstances. You've got the worry that they or their mates are going to track you down (not difficult from a number plate) and visit you at home if you're fairly local. And you got the long term worry about ever going back to that place again.

Basically you'll still have a really bad day & you'll spend ages dealing with it all. It's really really st.

The natural reaction is to fight but it isn't exactly a win either. Probably better than a lot of outcomes but it isn't all nice and cut & dried like it seems in abstract.

[Pan Pan Pan]

The only hope seems to be that the police, and the courts (even assuming the perpetrators can be caught) come down massively hard on anyone caught. How likely that is to happen is of course another matter entirely.

[Cobnapint]

Jonesy23 said:

Here is a bit of a reality check.

Let's say for example you are in your car and someone decides to rob or attack you.

You have space to manoeuvre and an utter disregard for the wellbeing of the people who mean you harm. Nothing is off the table.

So you get past the initial shock of the situation, do the necessary, incapacitate the attacker (screech, bang, thump, they aren't getting up again) and get the fk out of Dodge.

Problem is this isn't the end. You've avoided the original problem but you've still got to deal with the Police ('cos there were witnesses and being a law abiding citizen you're traceable) and make sure there's no further action or fallout. You've got a damaged car you need to fix (nice big dent in a panel/broken glass) and complications with insurance due to the circumstances. You've got the worry that they or their mates are going to track you down (not difficult from a number plate) and visit you at home if you're fairly local. And you got the long term worry about ever going back to that place again.

Basically you'll still have a really bad day & you'll spend ages dealing with it all. It's really really st.

The natural reaction is to fight but it isn't exactly a win either. Probably better than a lot of outcomes but it isn't all nice and cut & dried like it seems in abstract.

Correct. You either take being a victim on the chin, tell the police and the nothing happens - the robber gets away with it.

Or you retain your valuables, the robber gets injured, the police turn up and something sure does happen - TO YOU.

It's fked up.

[ashleyman]

I'm pretty sure I've posted about a similar situation I was in a few years back. Although not identical, I had someone who was trying to get into my car / remove me from it to cause my physical harm. All because I pulled right to avoid a pothole into the path of a speeding quad biker who I hadn't seen.

There was nothing in front of me or behind me when I looked. The bike then blocked the road (between 2 bollards) and I thought about ramming him but then thought if I ram him, don't knock him out and kill my car I have nowhere to go. I was forced to reverse and although very very scared I managed to get my car into reverse and start to back up, before I could even notice he and his bike was blocking in front of me again. Luckily there was a gap between him and his bike and me and I managed to get the car into first and luckily he jumped out the way when I started to accelerate. He was back on the bike and chasing me.

Further up the road in traffic was an unmarked Police car who was driving towards us, they'd seen what was happening and had just put his lights on and pulled out. This prompted biker to turn around and run away. Someone stayed with us and the other Police went after the bike and over the radio instantly asked for everyone who was near to get to the area and find this biker.

This was in Surrey and pedestrians just stood watching, nobody helped and I couldn't even think straight so everything was taking longer to do and process.

It was TERRIFYING.

You might want to think you'll act the hero or be able to think but if you are surprised like I was and you have someone coming at you in a helmet what are you going to do?

Before you've even got out the car if you unlock that door you will have been attacked and violently assaulted. You think they're going to wait for you to open the door and get out? Nope, they're going to smash that door into your face, crush your leg or whatever. They will not wait. When you get out the car what are you going to do? Are you going to hit them? Where? Weak spots in the head are now rock hard. Can you get close enough to grab the bottom of the helmet and yank him around by the mouth? Does he have a weapon? You are vulnerable and unprepared. They are not.

I would never want to be put in the same situation and for weeks after I avoided the road this happened on just in case. The bike was never seen again and the biker wasn't traced. My car sustained damage but thankfully I and my girlfriend were ok but extremely shaken.

As an aside, I remember asking the Police who took our statements if I was in any trouble and they said no. I asked if I was in trouble for speeding (to get away) and driving at someone and she said no. She said that having observed what was happening for the split seconds before coming to help no police officer or court in any force would have convicted me of anything as I was the victim of a violent attack attempting to get myself to safety. How true that would be I do not know but no matter what you think you will do, unless it happens you just don't know how you would react.

[Zod]

Hoofy said:

Zod said:

Hoofy said:

rambo19 said:

Lock your doors, do up windows, be aware of your suroundings- not difficult...................

People have got complacent. They walk around with £100 headphones on, staring at their £500 phones, basically knocking out the only two useful senses for awareness (the other senses not being very useful - touch (if you can feel them, it's too late), taste (likely you'll taste your blood as they've punched you in the jaw and split your gum), smell (you might smell their Lynx deo but you'll definitely smell the mess in your pants post-mugging)).

So who is in the wrong? The person with the phone or the mugger?

Daft question, really.

Not really, unlike your post.

[Zod]

fttm said:

^^ and people still try to convince themselves that Britain isn't well and truly screwed ?

Crap like this happens everywhere. It happens in the US, in Australia and all over Europe. Much worse happens in large parts of Africa and Asia.

So how is Britain screwed?

[andymc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IMebgeaQ7g

[catso]

Pan Pan Pan said:

The only hope seems to be that the police, and the courts (even assuming the perpetrators can be caught) come down massively hard on anyone caught. How likely that is to happen is of course another matter entirely.

Can't see all those planets aligning any time soon. I'm hoping that one day, one of these little sts tries it on with the wrong kind of person. The kind who doesn't take being a victim lying down and decides to make an example of the scumbag.

Maybe if one of them gets nailed to a door, the others might think twice about continuing down this road..

[rallycross]

What about these idiots in Birmingham- not robbers but making a clear show they are not bothered about the law

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...

[Nothingtoseehere]

Pan Pan Pan said:

The only hope seems to be that the police, and the courts (even assuming the perpetrators can be caught) come down massively hard on anyone caught. How likely that is to happen is of course another matter entirely.

More chance of /// joining ukip.

[carinatauk]

The Government need to come up with something quick before someone takes the law into their own hands [which will probably happen anyway].

The Birmingham ride out seems to be bks, the police could have done something but chose not to. I do wonder if the is some political posturing in some of this.

Personally I don't have the answers but the pizza delivery guys revenge attack is something that we will all need to accept in the future

[Hoofy]

Zod said:

Hoofy said:

Zod said:

Hoofy said:

rambo19 said:

Lock your doors, do up windows, be aware of your suroundings- not difficult...................

People have got complacent. They walk around with £100 headphones on, staring at their £500 phones, basically knocking out the only two useful senses for awareness (the other senses not being very useful - touch (if you can feel them, it's too late), taste (likely you'll taste your blood as they've punched you in the jaw and split your gum), smell (you might smell their Lynx deo but you'll definitely smell the mess in your pants post-mugging)).

So who is in the wrong? The person with the phone or the mugger?

Daft question, really.

Not really, unlike your post.

You've asked the wrong question and you know the answer to your question.