Boris. £350m for the NHS if we leave EU. Again.

[anonymous-user]

Jimboka said:

Back on topic:-
When does the 350m a week extra for the NHS start?
2021? , is it index linked ?

yes and yes

[B'stard Child]

Jimboka said:

Back on topic:-
When does the 350m a week extra for the NHS start?
2021? , is it index linked ?

It's not enough - it's never been enough and would piss out the sides before ever making a difference.

Get rid of all the bloody immigrants and Irish passport holders residing in the UK and it might be.....

[TooMany2cvs]

B'stard Child said:

...all the bloody immigrants and Irish passport holders residing in the UK...

You are going to have to explain the difference to me...

[B'stard Child]

TooMany2cvs said:

You are going to have to explain the difference to me...

The Irish passport holder was a specific poke at Jimboka

[SantaBarbara]

garyhun said:

Glad we're leaving. Can't wait till it's all done so these threads stop.

Some posters will endlessly go round in circles having silly arguments

[Coolbanana]

B'stard Child said:

It's not enough - it's never been enough and would piss out the sides before ever making a difference.

Get rid of all the bloody immigrants and Irish passport holders residing in the UK and it might be.....

So you can prove that you are a direct descendant of Native Neolithic Britons pre-Roman times (even though they had no written language to jot down who was who etc to leave a record) ?

If not, you may need to include yourself as a "bloody immigrant" and leave.

[williamp]

so, can we finally put this to bed?? Its official: its not £350m a week. Its £363m a week, gross. £181m a week net

https://visual.ons.gov.uk/the-uk-contribution-to-t...

Payment to Brussels, net of rebate and money returned to the UK: £9.4 billion a year, or £181 million a week.
Payment to Brussels, net of rebate: £13.9 billion a year, or £267 million a week.
Gross payment to Brussels: £18.9 billion a year, or £363 million a week.

maybe we could, you know, spend the money elsewhere?

[SantaBarbara]

We need more money invested in the Royal Navy as well.

[TooMany2cvs]

williamp said:

so, can we finally put this to bed?? Its official: its not £350m a week. Its £363m a week, gross. £181m a week net

https://visual.ons.gov.uk/the-uk-contribution-to-t...

Payment to Brussels, net of rebate and money returned to the UK: £9.4 billion a year, or £181 million a week.
Payment to Brussels, net of rebate: £13.9 billion a year, or £267 million a week.
Gross payment to Brussels: £18.9 billion a year, or £363 million a week.

maybe we could, you know, spend the money elsewhere?

So, basically, exactly as people were pointing out last year. The £350m figure was a real figure, just a completely and utterly irrelevant one.

And let's put that relevant figure into perspective - £181m/wk is £9.4bn/yr. Just over £1.15 for every £100 the gov't spends.

[Toaster]

And Libraries

[Funkycoldribena]

TooMany2cvs said:

So, basically, exactly as people were pointing out last year. The £350m figure was a real figure, just a completely and utterly irrelevant one.

And let's put that relevant figure into perspective - £181m/wk is £9.4bn/yr. Just over £1.15 for every £100 the gov't spends.

£1.15 too much.

[TooMany2cvs]

SantaBarbara said:

We need more money invested in the Royal Navy as well.

Comes out of the 2% GDP defence budget. £38.3bn for 2017/18, or about £736m/wk. Just over 4x the EU net expenditure.

'course, what the EU net expenditure doesn't measure is the effect on GDP from being EU members. We'll find out who's right about that over the next few years...

[Sylvaforever]

SantaBarbara said:

We need more money invested in the Royal Navy as well.

Sell your flattops then!

[CoolHands]

TooMany2cvs said:

So, basically, exactly as people were pointing out last year. The £350m figure was a real figure, just a completely and utterly irrelevant one.

I haven’t read all the thread so apologies if I’m missing something, but I don’t understand the sentence above? if it is real, why is it irrelevant? Or is that a comment that it’s irrelvant in terms of scale ie it’s not much?

[98elise]

TooMany2cvs said:

williamp said:

so, can we finally put this to bed?? Its official: its not £350m a week. Its £363m a week, gross. £181m a week net

https://visual.ons.gov.uk/the-uk-contribution-to-t...

Payment to Brussels, net of rebate and money returned to the UK: £9.4 billion a year, or £181 million a week.
Payment to Brussels, net of rebate: £13.9 billion a year, or £267 million a week.
Gross payment to Brussels: £18.9 billion a year, or £363 million a week.

maybe we could, you know, spend the money elsewhere?

So, basically, exactly as people were pointing out last year. The £350m figure was a real figure, just a completely and utterly irrelevant one.

And let's put that relevant figure into perspective - £181m/wk is £9.4bn/yr. Just over £1.15 for every £100 the gov't spends.

Did we have a choice where the money was spent?

[rscott]

CoolHands said:

TooMany2cvs said:

So, basically, exactly as people were pointing out last year. The £350m figure was a real figure, just a completely and utterly irrelevant one.

I haven’t read all the thread so apologies if I’m missing something, but I don’t understand the sentence above? if it is real, why is it irrelevant? Or is that a comment that it’s irrelvant in terms of scale ie it’s not much?

Irrelevant because it was the gross contribution, before the rebate, let alone any other money we might have received from the EU.

[CoolHands]

I see.

[TooMany2cvs]

CoolHands said:

TooMany2cvs said:

So, basically, exactly as people were pointing out last year. The £350m figure was a real figure, just a completely and utterly irrelevant one.

I haven’t read all the thread so apologies if I’m missing something, but I don’t understand the sentence above? if it is real, why is it irrelevant? Or is that a comment that it’s irrelvant in terms of scale ie it’s not much?

It's the UK's gross contribution to the EU.

Except it ignores the rebate that we get to the gross contribution. It's like saying that we were redecorating the living room, so bought a new £2k sofa at DFS... But we got it in the sale, 50% off.

So the UK's gross contribution to the EU is the sale price of that sofa - £1k. That's the amount that actually left our bank account to DFS for the new £2k sofa.

Except the EU spend money on a lot of projects in the UK. Those are projects that UK councils or organisations ask the EU for funding for, just as they could ask the UK government. Think of it as selling the old sofa on Gumtree for £500.

So was the total price to change the sofa £500 or £2,000?

Boris and friends said if we didn't change the sofa, we could spend £2,000 on a new car instead.
All the grown-ups said "But changing the sofa only cost £500".
The minute the vote was in, even Nigel said "Well, the £2,000 figure was a mistake"

[98elise]

TooMany2cvs said:

CoolHands said:

TooMany2cvs said:

So, basically, exactly as people were pointing out last year. The £350m figure was a real figure, just a completely and utterly irrelevant one.

I haven’t read all the thread so apologies if I’m missing something, but I don’t understand the sentence above? if it is real, why is it irrelevant? Or is that a comment that it’s irrelvant in terms of scale ie it’s not much?

It's the UK's gross contribution to the EU.

Except it ignores the rebate that we get to the gross contribution. It's like saying that we were redecorating the living room, so bought a new £2k sofa at DFS... But we got it in the sale, 50% off.

So the UK's gross contribution to the EU is the sale price of that sofa - £1k. That's the amount that actually left our bank account to DFS for the new £2k sofa.

Except the EU spend money on a lot of projects in the UK. Those are projects that UK councils or organisations ask the EU for funding for, just as they could ask the UK government. Think of it as selling the old sofa on Gumtree for £500.

So was the total price to change the sofa £500 or £2,000?

Boris and friends said if we didn't change the sofa, we could spend £2,000 on a new car instead.
All the grown-ups said "But changing the sofa only cost £500".
The minute the vote was in, even Nigel said "Well, the £2,000 figure was a mistake"

Alternatively....

You have 2k and would like a sofa. You give the money to DFS, who send you a cheap bed (with a of cashback), but keep most of your dosh

[williamp]

TooMany2cvs said:

CoolHands said:

TooMany2cvs said:

So, basically, exactly as people were pointing out last year. The £350m figure was a real figure, just a completely and utterly irrelevant one.

I haven’t read all the thread so apologies if I’m missing something, but I don’t understand the sentence above? if it is real, why is it irrelevant? Or is that a comment that it’s irrelvant in terms of scale ie it’s not much?

It's the UK's gross contribution to the EU.

Except it ignores the rebate that we get to the gross contribution. It's like saying that we were redecorating the living room, so bought a new £2k sofa at DFS... But we got it in the sale, 50% off.

So the UK's gross contribution to the EU is the sale price of that sofa - £1k. That's the amount that actually left our bank account to DFS for the new £2k sofa.

Except the EU spend money on a lot of projects in the UK. Those are projects that UK councils or organisations ask the EU for funding for, just as they could ask the UK government. Think of it as selling the old sofa on Gumtree for £500.

So was the total price to change the sofa £500 or £2,000?

Boris and friends said if we didn't change the sofa, we could spend £2,000 on a new car instead.
All the grown-ups said "But changing the sofa only cost £500".
The minute the vote was in, even Nigel said "Well, the £2,000 figure was a mistake"

Although this is the EU, and they decide what sofa you are going to have...and buy you a new washing machine instead