BBC Womens pay gap
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Not-The-Messiah said:
I will not arguing working in a old peoples home is hard work. I wouldn't work in a old peoples home for double the money im on now.
But that's how things work in a open market.
Jobs are priced on how much you can find someone to do it for not really how hard they are although there will obviously be a correlation. But It may be the hardest dirtiest job in the world but if there are people willing to do it for a low wage then they will get a low wage. As long as they are not being forced to do it and not being paid below the minimum wage that is I don't see a problem.
There is nothing stopping these people going and getting a job as a bin man/woman.
They weren't aware of the pay difference till much later as it wasn't included on the advertised/published pay rates for the job descriptions, it was effectively a back door payment that wasn't offered to them and I believe both jobs were on the same grade.But that's how things work in a open market.
Jobs are priced on how much you can find someone to do it for not really how hard they are although there will obviously be a correlation. But It may be the hardest dirtiest job in the world but if there are people willing to do it for a low wage then they will get a low wage. As long as they are not being forced to do it and not being paid below the minimum wage that is I don't see a problem.
There is nothing stopping these people going and getting a job as a bin man/woman.
Ridiculous:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/2018/03/20/c...
He's paid more because he's a bigger star and 'name' which should draw in more viewers. I had no idea who she was before The Crown.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/2018/03/20/c...
He's paid more because he's a bigger star and 'name' which should draw in more viewers. I had no idea who she was before The Crown.
Edited by Funk on Tuesday 20th March 22:00
The McEnroe vs Navratilova difference is pretty obvious why when you look at their contracts.
Last year she was contracted for 3 matches, he was contracted for 12 of the 13 days of commentating.
She was allowed to cover elsewhere for different channels when she wanted, he was contracted to BBC and had to be available at all times.
She covered womens matches which are three sets, he was covering mens which are five sets.
He did more than 10x the hours she did.
But let's not let those facts get in the way of a bit of 'woe is me'.
Last year she was contracted for 3 matches, he was contracted for 12 of the 13 days of commentating.
She was allowed to cover elsewhere for different channels when she wanted, he was contracted to BBC and had to be available at all times.
She covered womens matches which are three sets, he was covering mens which are five sets.
He did more than 10x the hours she did.
But let's not let those facts get in the way of a bit of 'woe is me'.
gizlaroc said:
The McEnroe vs Navratilova difference is pretty obvious why when you look at their contracts.
Last year she was contracted for 3 matches, he was contracted for 12 of the 13 days of commentating.
She was allowed to cover elsewhere for different channels when she wanted, he was contracted to BBC and had to be available at all times.
She covered womens matches which are three sets, he was covering mens which are five sets.
He did more than 10x the hours she did.
But let's not let those facts get in the way of a bit of 'woe is me'.
Yep...as well as the fact that he is ten times more engaging a broadcaster than she is.Last year she was contracted for 3 matches, he was contracted for 12 of the 13 days of commentating.
She was allowed to cover elsewhere for different channels when she wanted, he was contracted to BBC and had to be available at all times.
She covered womens matches which are three sets, he was covering mens which are five sets.
He did more than 10x the hours she did.
But let's not let those facts get in the way of a bit of 'woe is me'.
Moonhawk said:
Neither have women.
The last dad I know who offered to take the parental leave and allow the mum to go back to work, was told.......in no uncertain terms........to go and get f
ked.
It's almost like you need to give it more than 5 minutes for social change to really progress...The last dad I know who offered to take the parental leave and allow the mum to go back to work, was told.......in no uncertain terms........to go and get f
ked.Funk said:
Ridiculous:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/2018/03/20/c...
He's paid more because he's a bigger star and 'name' which should draw in more viewers. I had no idea who she was before The Crown.
So, by rights, the actress playing the Queen should also give up some of her salary to supplement "Dave", a budding actor who gets paid buttons to appear as a footman in the background of a few scenes? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/2018/03/20/c...
He's paid more because he's a bigger star and 'name' which should draw in more viewers. I had no idea who she was before The Crown.
daddy cool said:
Funk said:
Ridiculous:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/2018/03/20/c...
He's paid more because he's a bigger star and 'name' which should draw in more viewers. I had no idea who she was before The Crown.
So, by rights, the actress playing the Queen should also give up some of her salary to supplement "Dave", a budding actor who gets paid buttons to appear as a footman in the background of a few scenes? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/2018/03/20/c...
He's paid more because he's a bigger star and 'name' which should draw in more viewers. I had no idea who she was before The Crown.
I'll leave this here, caps aren't mine I'm copying and pasting on phone.
MAN WINS $390,000 IN GENDER DISCRIMINATION LAWSUIT AFTER FEMALE COLLEAGUE GETS PROMOTION HE WAS MORE QUALIFIED FOR
http://www.newsweek.com/man-wins-gender-discrimina...
MAN WINS $390,000 IN GENDER DISCRIMINATION LAWSUIT AFTER FEMALE COLLEAGUE GETS PROMOTION HE WAS MORE QUALIFIED FOR
http://www.newsweek.com/man-wins-gender-discrimina...
It's hard to feel sorry for any of these numpties when they're earning the sums they are. I'm sure Streep and the like must think they're doing this for everyone, but the chances of it making any difference at all to Beryl from accounts is zip. And that's even if one believes there is a gender pay gap of any materiality (quite obviously there isn't in the main).
It would amuse me once more if what actually happened was that everyone was normalised downwards. That's usually what happens with these sorts of idea.
It would amuse me once more if what actually happened was that everyone was normalised downwards. That's usually what happens with these sorts of idea.
zb said:
I'll leave this here, caps aren't mine I'm copying and pasting on phone.
MAN WINS $390,000 IN GENDER DISCRIMINATION LAWSUIT AFTER FEMALE COLLEAGUE GETS PROMOTION HE WAS MORE QUALIFIED FOR
http://www.newsweek.com/man-wins-gender-discrimina...
"The case began in 2011, when the Austrian Minister of Transport, Innovation and Technology led by Social Democrat (SPÖ) politician Doris Bures"MAN WINS $390,000 IN GENDER DISCRIMINATION LAWSUIT AFTER FEMALE COLLEAGUE GETS PROMOTION HE WAS MORE QUALIFIED FOR
http://www.newsweek.com/man-wins-gender-discrimina...
"Transport, Innovation and Technology"
"TIT"
Murph7355 said:
It would amuse me once more if what actually happened was that everyone was normalised downwards. That's usually what happens with these sorts of idea.
That's already happening - the right on blokes at the Beeb have said they'll take a cut to match the women - the women aren't going to get paid any more.Mothersruin said:
Murph7355 said:
It would amuse me once more if what actually happened was that everyone was normalised downwards. That's usually what happens with these sorts of idea.
That's already happening - the right on blokes at the Beeb have said they'll take a cut to match the women - the women aren't going to get paid any more.Equally poor.
It honestly drives me nut this is painted as a "gender" pay gap. It's a different goddamned job pay gap.
We have plenty legislation preventing hiring discrimination based on gender, the opportunities are there, have at it. People are paid the same for the same work regardless of gender, a huge success story, but no, apparently more needs to be done the opportunities aren't equal enough apparently.
We have plenty legislation preventing hiring discrimination based on gender, the opportunities are there, have at it. People are paid the same for the same work regardless of gender, a huge success story, but no, apparently more needs to be done the opportunities aren't equal enough apparently.
roachcoach said:
It honestly drives me nut this is painted as a "gender" pay gap. It's a different goddamned job pay gap.
Indeed - I hate the way the BBC keep framing it too.Steph McGovern was on BBC breakfast this morning banging on about the average pay between men and women - and trotted out the line ‘for every £1 a woman get’s paid, a man get’s £1.20’.
That is an extremely disingenous representation of the facts.
Strange since their other big topic at the moment is ‘fake news’.
Moonhawk said:
roachcoach said:
It honestly drives me nut this is painted as a "gender" pay gap. It's a different goddamned job pay gap.
Indeed - I hate the way the BBC keep framing it too.Steph McGovern was on BBC breakfast this morning banging on about the average pay between men and women - and trotted out the line ‘for every £1 a woman get’s paid, a man get’s £1.20’.
That is an extremely disingenous representation of the facts.
Strange since their other big topic at the moment is ‘fake news’.
Now don't get me wrong, there are a lack of women in certain roles (STEM etc), but that's NOT a hiring issue, that's a fundamental societal issue which starts around primary 1-2. We would do well to address that rather than "fix" the fact different jobs earn differently.
Moonhawk said:
Indeed - I hate the way the BBC keep framing it too.
Steph McGovern was on BBC breakfast this morning banging on about the average pay between men and women - and trotted out the line ‘for every £1 a woman get’s paid, a man get’s £1.20’.
No one can ever answer the question that if they can pay women less, why do they employ men at all.Steph McGovern was on BBC breakfast this morning banging on about the average pay between men and women - and trotted out the line ‘for every £1 a woman get’s paid, a man get’s £1.20’.
Because its b
ksMoonhawk said:
Indeed - I hate the way the BBC keep framing it too.
Steph McGovern was on BBC breakfast this morning banging on about the average pay between men and women - and trotted out the line ‘for every £1 a woman get’s paid, a man get’s £1.20’.
That is an extremely disingenous representation of the facts.
Strange since their other big topic at the moment is ‘fake news’.
Steph McGovern was on BBC breakfast this morning banging on about the average pay between men and women - and trotted out the line ‘for every £1 a woman get’s paid, a man get’s £1.20’.
That is an extremely disingenous representation of the facts.
Strange since their other big topic at the moment is ‘fake news’.
Or more accurately alternative sources of news to the MSM.
Murph7355 said:
It's hard to feel sorry for any of these numpties when they're earning the sums they are. I'm sure Streep and the like must think they're doing this for everyone, but the chances of it making any difference at all to Beryl from accounts is zip. And that's even if one believes there is a gender pay gap of any materiality (quite obviously there isn't in the main).
It would amuse me once more if what actually happened was that everyone was normalised downwards. That's usually what happens with these sorts of idea.
Leaving aside the world of show biz and news presenters, which isn't relevant to virtually all people, the question is what will happen in the real world.It would amuse me once more if what actually happened was that everyone was normalised downwards. That's usually what happens with these sorts of idea.
First of all this is going to be a real issue for companies due to constant media pressure and misrepresentation. The question is what they can do about it over a realistic timescale.
For larger professional firms one issue is going to be admin staff. Based upon my own experience these are overwhelmingly female and funnily enough you don't pay people the same amount of money to file paper or sit on reception as you do senior technical staff.
Most companies long since contracted out cleaning and a number have also contracted out their reception staff. Doing the same for all admin staff would take a large chunk out of the "gender pay gap"
As already discussed another large part of the gender pay gap is the over fifties. There may be ways of trying to reduce the age profile of the workforce while still remaining within the letter of the law.
What they will also likely do (and in fact I suspect are already doing) is promoting women at an earlier stage than men to try and make sure middle management ranks are equally represented.
What in fact is most likely to happen therefore is that the women who create the "gender pay gap" do not benefit from any measures to reduce it.
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