Macron and Calais
Discussion
Murph7355 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Clue: Schengen
France doesn't have any land borders to do anything about.
France very much still has land borders. As a result of Schengen it is delegating its responsibilities to the outer boundary nations of the Schengen zone. France doesn't have any land borders to do anything about.
That is not the UK's issue. We used our opt out for Schengen, so why should we be picking up any of the tab for the Calais issue? It very much seems a case of despite us having an opt out, we still pick up the tab. A good result of being members, no?
We are geographically very fortunate. France and the Schengen countries should be dealing with it. We know they are incapable, but that is not our issue.
If France don't like what is happening in Calais, they should be reconsidering their Schengen membership, or getting the outer border states to sort it (good luck with that while Merkel is in charge).
The French don't have a problem letting random people cross the water... it's us that need people in Calais to stop that!
The UK is obliged by International Law to process Migrant Asylum Seekers. Nothing to do with the EU, as we all know.
However, in leaving the EU, the UK also abandons the Dublin Regulation dictating that Aslyum Seekers are processed at origin. It also means there is no protection from the EU against 'Aslyum Shopping' thereby allowing Migrants to have a second shot if declined in France and try the UK.
So, if the Le Tourquet Treaty goes as well, people smugglers have a far better chance of getting Refugees to Dover. Once at Dover, the UK has to deal with them - and they cannot send them back to France because they no longer accord to the Dublin Regulation.
This is why many French politicians say it should go - because the UK loses the right to send Refugees back to France after Brexit!
Remember too, under the UN's 1951 Refugee Convention, there are protections for asylum seekers' rights to remain should they get to Dover.
So, Brexit plus Treaty gone and all Refugees refused Asylum in any EU country, can try the UK - if they make it to Dover. Also, and this is a fun part, imagine the EU decides to remove the 'first country process' rule and extends it across the EU. That effectively means the refugees will find it even easier to get to France to make a play for the UK since the EU countries can just keep passing them about!
However, in leaving the EU, the UK also abandons the Dublin Regulation dictating that Aslyum Seekers are processed at origin. It also means there is no protection from the EU against 'Aslyum Shopping' thereby allowing Migrants to have a second shot if declined in France and try the UK.
So, if the Le Tourquet Treaty goes as well, people smugglers have a far better chance of getting Refugees to Dover. Once at Dover, the UK has to deal with them - and they cannot send them back to France because they no longer accord to the Dublin Regulation.
This is why many French politicians say it should go - because the UK loses the right to send Refugees back to France after Brexit!
Remember too, under the UN's 1951 Refugee Convention, there are protections for asylum seekers' rights to remain should they get to Dover.
So, Brexit plus Treaty gone and all Refugees refused Asylum in any EU country, can try the UK - if they make it to Dover. Also, and this is a fun part, imagine the EU decides to remove the 'first country process' rule and extends it across the EU. That effectively means the refugees will find it even easier to get to France to make a play for the UK since the EU countries can just keep passing them about!
Coolbanana said:
This is why many French politicians say it should go - because the UK loses the right to send Refugees back to France after Brexit!
Remember too, under the UN's 1951 Refugee Convention, there are protections for asylum seekers' rights to remain should they get to Dover.
Also, and this is a fun part, imagine the EU decides to remove the 'first country process' rule and extends it across the EU. That effectively means the refugees will find it even easier to get to France to make a play for the UK since the EU countries can just keep passing them about!
Any particular reason for the apparent glee displayed in your post?Remember too, under the UN's 1951 Refugee Convention, there are protections for asylum seekers' rights to remain should they get to Dover.
Also, and this is a fun part, imagine the EU decides to remove the 'first country process' rule and extends it across the EU. That effectively means the refugees will find it even easier to get to France to make a play for the UK since the EU countries can just keep passing them about!
TooMany2cvs said:
Murph7355 said:
I'm obviously a little partisan, but how about Macron does something about his other borders so that people don't get the opportunity to congregate in Calais?
Clue: SchengenFrance doesn't have any land borders to do anything about.
I’m not sure why any of this would surprise anyone. It’s just another incidence of the French being unable to stop foreign citizens coming into France and needing the UK to bail them out.
Coolbanana said:
The UK is obliged by International Law to process Migrant Asylum Seekers. Nothing to do with the EU, as we all know.
However, in leaving the EU, the UK also abandons the Dublin Regulation dictating that Aslyum Seekers are processed at origin. It also means there is no protection from the EU against 'Aslyum Shopping' thereby allowing Migrants to have a second shot if declined in France and try the UK.
So, if the Le Tourquet Treaty goes as well, people smugglers have a far better chance of getting Refugees to Dover. Once at Dover, the UK has to deal with them - and they cannot send them back to France because they no longer accord to the Dublin Regulation.
This is why many French politicians say it should go - because the UK loses the right to send Refugees back to France after Brexit!
Remember too, under the UN's 1951 Refugee Convention, there are protections for asylum seekers' rights to remain should they get to Dover.
So, Brexit plus Treaty gone and all Refugees refused Asylum in any EU country, can try the UK - if they make it to Dover. Also, and this is a fun part, imagine the EU decides to remove the 'first country process' rule and extends it across the EU. That effectively means the refugees will find it even easier to get to France to make a play for the UK since the EU countries can just keep passing them about!
No. You must have missed the post where it was pointed out that it's the travel companies' problem - they are responsible for ensuring that no-one embarks on a train, plane or ferry to the UK who doesn't have the right to do so and also responsible for taking them back to France if they bring them here wrongly. Simple as. End of.However, in leaving the EU, the UK also abandons the Dublin Regulation dictating that Aslyum Seekers are processed at origin. It also means there is no protection from the EU against 'Aslyum Shopping' thereby allowing Migrants to have a second shot if declined in France and try the UK.
So, if the Le Tourquet Treaty goes as well, people smugglers have a far better chance of getting Refugees to Dover. Once at Dover, the UK has to deal with them - and they cannot send them back to France because they no longer accord to the Dublin Regulation.
This is why many French politicians say it should go - because the UK loses the right to send Refugees back to France after Brexit!
Remember too, under the UN's 1951 Refugee Convention, there are protections for asylum seekers' rights to remain should they get to Dover.
So, Brexit plus Treaty gone and all Refugees refused Asylum in any EU country, can try the UK - if they make it to Dover. Also, and this is a fun part, imagine the EU decides to remove the 'first country process' rule and extends it across the EU. That effectively means the refugees will find it even easier to get to France to make a play for the UK since the EU countries can just keep passing them about!
Eddie Strohacker said:
Jockman said:
Don’t upset him Mutph. We may lose the tapestry!!!
I like that Macron is trolling us with the loan of the Bayeux tapestry & it's flying over so many heads in the most delightful way.How would you reciprocate, Eddie?
IroningMan said:
Coolbanana said:
The UK is obliged by International Law to process Migrant Asylum Seekers. Nothing to do with the EU, as we all know.
However, in leaving the EU, the UK also abandons the Dublin Regulation dictating that Aslyum Seekers are processed at origin. It also means there is no protection from the EU against 'Aslyum Shopping' thereby allowing Migrants to have a second shot if declined in France and try the UK.
So, if the Le Tourquet Treaty goes as well, people smugglers have a far better chance of getting Refugees to Dover. Once at Dover, the UK has to deal with them - and they cannot send them back to France because they no longer accord to the Dublin Regulation.
This is why many French politicians say it should go - because the UK loses the right to send Refugees back to France after Brexit!
Remember too, under the UN's 1951 Refugee Convention, there are protections for asylum seekers' rights to remain should they get to Dover.
So, Brexit plus Treaty gone and all Refugees refused Asylum in any EU country, can try the UK - if they make it to Dover. Also, and this is a fun part, imagine the EU decides to remove the 'first country process' rule and extends it across the EU. That effectively means the refugees will find it even easier to get to France to make a play for the UK since the EU countries can just keep passing them about!
No. You must have missed the post where it was pointed out that it's the travel companies' problem - they are responsible for ensuring that no-one embarks on a train, plane or ferry to the UK who doesn't have the right to do so and also responsible for taking them back to France if they bring them here wrongly. Simple as. End of.However, in leaving the EU, the UK also abandons the Dublin Regulation dictating that Aslyum Seekers are processed at origin. It also means there is no protection from the EU against 'Aslyum Shopping' thereby allowing Migrants to have a second shot if declined in France and try the UK.
So, if the Le Tourquet Treaty goes as well, people smugglers have a far better chance of getting Refugees to Dover. Once at Dover, the UK has to deal with them - and they cannot send them back to France because they no longer accord to the Dublin Regulation.
This is why many French politicians say it should go - because the UK loses the right to send Refugees back to France after Brexit!
Remember too, under the UN's 1951 Refugee Convention, there are protections for asylum seekers' rights to remain should they get to Dover.
So, Brexit plus Treaty gone and all Refugees refused Asylum in any EU country, can try the UK - if they make it to Dover. Also, and this is a fun part, imagine the EU decides to remove the 'first country process' rule and extends it across the EU. That effectively means the refugees will find it even easier to get to France to make a play for the UK since the EU countries can just keep passing them about!
Jockman said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
Jockman said:
Don’t upset him Mutph. We may lose the tapestry!!!
I like that Macron is trolling us with the loan of the Bayeux tapestry & it's flying over so many heads in the most delightful way.How would you reciprocate, Eddie?
citizensm1th said:
Jockman said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
Jockman said:
Don’t upset him Mutph. We may lose the tapestry!!!
I like that Macron is trolling us with the loan of the Bayeux tapestry & it's flying over so many heads in the most delightful way.How would you reciprocate, Eddie?
Shay HTFC said:
Why should they not just stop their border exit checks (and stop allowing us to run border entry checks at Calais) and just let the British deal with it at Dover?
The French don't have a problem letting random people cross the water... it's us that need people in Calais to stop that!
Perhaps you're forgetting the "British border" is inside France.The French don't have a problem letting random people cross the water... it's us that need people in Calais to stop that!
TooMany2cvs said:
Shay HTFC said:
Why should they not just stop their border exit checks (and stop allowing us to run border entry checks at Calais) and just let the British deal with it at Dover?
The French don't have a problem letting random people cross the water... it's us that need people in Calais to stop that!
Perhaps you're forgetting the "British border" is inside France.The French don't have a problem letting random people cross the water... it's us that need people in Calais to stop that!
don'tbesilly said:
citizensm1th said:
Jockman said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
Jockman said:
Don’t upset him Mutph. We may lose the tapestry!!!
I like that Macron is trolling us with the loan of the Bayeux tapestry & it's flying over so many heads in the most delightful way.How would you reciprocate, Eddie?
Edited by FN2TypeR on Thursday 18th January 05:15
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42723401
Looks like we are taking more "child" migrants with big bushy beards.
Looks like we are taking more "child" migrants with big bushy beards.
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