45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

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paulguitar

10,101 posts

75 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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amgmcqueen said:
I wonder how many volumes this will reach over the next 7 years...?
Bloody hell, let's hope only 3! Or even better, less.

Halb

51,731 posts

145 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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Eric Mc said:
With zero political experience.

She would just be another Trump.
laugh

Eric Mc

114,268 posts

227 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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FN2TypeR said:
She really wouldn't be another Trump, c'mon now.
She is a totally different personality - but she still wouldn't know what she was doing.

Tartan Pixie

1,860 posts

109 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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dmulally said:
She could drone strike the fk out of Japan and still come off as a media darling.

I'd like to see her go up against Trump for the comedy of it all.
Agreed, putting a good media face on on the same tired old untrustworthy self-centred incompetent stpile is not going to help.

Mark Blyth 2018 interview with Christopher Lydon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdivPhu-jTQ

He talks about leadership at about 21 minutes. The whole talk is good stuff.

Mark Blyth paraphrased said:
I was talking at a conference in 2017 to a room full of financiers, hedge fund managers, that types of person.

I asked them to raise their hand if they gave money to political campaigns and every hand went up, I then asked them to keep their hand raised if they would trust those politicians to run the money in their company and the whole room collapsed in to laughter.
I listen to Mark Blyth and know that I have a fraction of his knowledge, I watch Sergei Lavrov and am constantly amazed by the depth of nuance in his words, you can add Ann Petifor, Ray Dalio and a number of others who I would benchmark for the level of competence required to run America.

The question should be why are we in UK/USA unable to attract this level of talent in to politics?

When cartoon characters like Donald Trump and Boris Johnson are considered serious politicians is it a surprise that real talent gives the whole industry a bodyswerve? There is good reason why 'Drain the swamp' was such a powerful slogan.

Gameface

15,941 posts

39 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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Johnson is at least intelligent. Trump not so much...

unrepentant

20,300 posts

218 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Are they showing this in the UK? It's a new reality show.

http://www.sho.com/our-cartoon-president


Roofless Toothless

3,232 posts

94 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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amgmcqueen said:
I wonder how many volumes this will reach over the next 7 years...?
Has there ever been an occasion when the Trump thread has not been on the first page of NP&E? It is the ability of Trump to come with a trick just about every single day that astounds me.

Byker28i

32,958 posts

179 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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V6Pushfit said:
Stormy back in the limelight again I see
Stromy Daniels now saying Cohen has broken the NDA and so shes free to talk
https://nypost.com/2018/02/14/porn-star-claims-she...

Wanting more money? It's proven this president has things he can be blackmailed over, which is the only remaining unproven claim of the Steele dossier.

Byker28i

32,958 posts

179 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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This is why the Rob Porter story is still around, over 130 white house staff do not have permanent security clearance
https://nypost.com/2018/02/14/porn-star-claims-she...

Interesting. George David Banks, senior official at the White House National Economic Council, resigned yesterday because he couldn’t get permanent security clearance due to something in his background

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/02/14/report...

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 15th February 08:29

Gameface

15,941 posts

39 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Says there that Cohen, Trump's lawyer, is writing a book about the campaign and presidency.

Washington just gets more bizarre by the day.

Byker28i

32,958 posts

179 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Have we talked about Trumps budget plan yet?

On the Campaign trail he consistently talked about the $19Trillion debt, saying it was unacceptable and how he was great, the best at dealing with debt (yup donald, by declaring bankruptcy and running away from it).

He's given massive tax cuts, reducing the countries income.

His new suggested budget infrastructure raises heavily spending on the military whilst ignoring the cyberwar that russia is winning.
His suggested budget would add $1trillion to the debt alone in 2019, increase it by about $10Trillion over the next 8 years if the optimistic and unrealistic economic growth rate of 3 percent is reached, above the currently projected 1.9 percent.

Even then it's a huge range of cuts, the EPA would get cut by a third and many, many more social programs.

There's a good list of the cuts here:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/...

His $1.5Trillion infrastructure projects will only get $200Billion, with the rest expected to come from private investment. Even then to pay for that he's proposing a 25c tax on fuel costs as theres no money left following the massive tax cuts. Everything in the US is delivered by road. It's a huge mobile country so this will hit the middle-class, working-class and working-poor Americans the hardest.

We were told he was a great businessman, that he's run the country successfully. Looks more like he's running it as one of his businesses. Borrow lots with no idea how to pay it back, it's someone elses problem.

Byker28i

32,958 posts

179 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Gameface said:
Says there that Cohen, Trump's lawyer, is writing a book about the campaign and presidency.

Washington just gets more bizarre by the day.
Congressman Ted Lieu says that all Cohen has done is confess to having committed a crime.
“Michael Cohen admits he paid $130k in hush money to Daniels during presidential campaign to cover up her affair with @realDonaldTrump. That smells illegal. Looks like a massive in-kind contribution.”
“Legal standard for fed election law is not whether a person pays from personal funds. An in-kind contribution is any ‘expenditure made by any person in cooperation, consultation or concert with, or at the request or suggestion of, a candidate’s campaign.’ Cohen is in big trouble.”

Does Trumps lawyer need a lawyer?

Gameface

15,941 posts

39 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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If Cohen is the person who understands Trumps dodgy deals and finances better than anyone, can Mueller subpoena him or does he have certain protections as a lawyer?

ferrisbueller

26,006 posts

189 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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At what point do all these accusations actually get put forward for formal judgement?

Tryke3

1,586 posts

56 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Countdown said:
Ok, for the sake of argument let's assume that the lawyer paid Stormyzy for rumpy pumpy with Trumpy and then asking her to keep quiet about it.

Is any of that illegal? And will any of his supporters care?

If not then the Dems and the anti-Trumps need to focus on more important things. It's been long accepted by most people that Trump is a sleazebag par excellence. There's no point flogging a dead horse.

Why not focus on the proposed cuts to medicare/medicaid? That's one of his "lies" that could potentially have a real impact on a lot of his voters and it's a cause that a lot of Americans will get behind (unlike DACA). That's where i think the Dems should concentrate.
People voted to cut medicare/medicaid, what are the dems supposed to do about that ? Will of the people

Eric Mc

114,268 posts

227 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Gameface said:
If Cohen is the person who understands Trumps dodgy deals and finances better than anyone, can Mueller subpoena him or does he have certain protections as a lawyer?
Lawyers aren't immune from prosecution. Plenty end up in the dock and many end up in jail.

Gameface

15,941 posts

39 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Eric Mc said:
Gameface said:
If Cohen is the person who understands Trumps dodgy deals and finances better than anyone, can Mueller subpoena him or does he have certain protections as a lawyer?
Lawyers aren't immune from prosecution. Plenty end up in the dock and many end up in jail.
Sure, but I can imagine Trump trying to say Cohen is off limits, being as he is, the President's lawyer. For all kinds of spurious reasons obviously.

Seeing as security clearance is the hot topic recently, would Cohen have any level of security clearance?

Byker28i

32,958 posts

179 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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ferrisbueller said:
At what point do all these accusations actually get put forward for formal judgement?
Mueller has two options. In the case for Trump, put forward his finding to Rosenstein who then puts them to congress (As sessions is reclused due to being heavily involved/implicated)

Congress then along party lines could just sit on it, throw it out, but the dirt would stick for the midterms. More likely would try to delay until after the midterms.

Or he could put it forward to a grand jury, with more delays as it's debated whether a sitting president is immune from prosecution (one of those rules I said needs looking at).

However for the case of everyone else implicated theres no problem with putting charges straight forward, Kushner, Ivanka, Sessions, Nunes, Cohen, both trump sons etc etc. At that point Trump either resigns saying it's a witchhunt, going after his family instead of him, or sits it out...

Eric Mc

114,268 posts

227 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Gameface said:
Sure, but I can imagine Trump trying to say Cohen is off limits, being as he is, the President's lawyer. For all kinds of spurious reasons obviously.

Seeing as security clearance is the hot topic recently, would Cohen have any level of security clearance?
Imagining Trump talking absolute tripe is not hard.

Byker28i

32,958 posts

179 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Oh and I think there's strong evidence of Trump with obstruction, even from his own mouth/tweets, I think they may struggle to hang collusion on him (although the number of obstruction attempts is strong circumstantial evidence)
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