45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

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Shakermaker

11,317 posts

64 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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Dindoit said:
I think he’s picturing a big kitty that we all pay into and it’s used to buy a round of tanks.
"No, Dave, you got the last battleship, I'll get this one!"

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

140 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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Dindoit said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Not required to pay 2% for the next 6 years when others are paying more, sounds like a st deal to me, no wonder Trumpy is not happy about it then.
Why do you keep using the word “pay”?

Is it because, like Trump, you don’t understand what the grown-ups are talking about?
Pay / Spending - so picky

What a C0ck, no need to be like that. Stop asking leading questions and tell us all about it then.

Thats why people are here - TO LEARN


Edited by PAULJ5555 on Wednesday 11th July 14:56


Edited by PAULJ5555 on Wednesday 11th July 14:57

mikal83

5,057 posts

216 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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PAULJ5555 said:
Dindoit said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Not required to pay 2% for the next 6 years when others are paying more, sounds like a st deal to me, no wonder Trumpy is not happy about it then.
Why do you keep using the word “pay”?

Is it because, like Trump, you don’t understand what the grown-ups are talking about?
What a C0ck, no need to be like that. Stop asking leaking questions and tell us all about it then.
I think your the only one here mate that's a bit "confused"

rscott

11,746 posts

155 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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PAULJ5555 said:
Dindoit said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Not required to pay 2% for the next 6 years when others are paying more, sounds like a st deal to me, no wonder Trumpy is not happy about it then.
Why do you keep using the word “pay”?

Is it because, like Trump, you don’t understand what the grown-ups are talking about?
What a C0ck, no need to be like that. Stop asking leading questions and tell us all about it then.

Thats why people are here - TO LEARN


Edited by PAULJ5555 on Wednesday 11th July 14:56
To learn, you have to be able to comprehend and absorb information, something you've so far shown no sign of being able to do (in this thread, anyway).

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

140 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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mikal83 said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Dindoit said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Not required to pay 2% for the next 6 years when others are paying more, sounds like a st deal to me, no wonder Trumpy is not happy about it then.
Why do you keep using the word “pay”?

Is it because, like Trump, you don’t understand what the grown-ups are talking about?
What a C0ck, no need to be like that. Stop asking leaking questions and tell us all about it then.
I think your the only one here mate that's a bit "confused"
Bingo - read back I already said it was confusing me, here to learn.

_dobbo_

12,590 posts

212 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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PAULJ5555 said:
What a C0ck, no need to be like that. Stop asking leaking questions and tell us all about it then.
It's been said several times already on this thread.

Countries spend a percentage of GDP on defense. This is for their own armed forces, which then are ready to commit to a NATO action if one is required.

Nobody pays money to anybody else, or to NATO.

The USA chooses to spend more on defense than Germany.

If Germany spent more, the USA would get nothing, except a larger German military involvement in any NATO action. Which likely wouldn't even be larger, because no country is going to commit 100% of their armed forces to a NATO action.




Dindoit

1,645 posts

58 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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PAULJ5555 said:
Dindoit said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Not required to pay 2% for the next 6 years when others are paying more, sounds like a st deal to me, no wonder Trumpy is not happy about it then.
Why do you keep using the word “pay”?

Is it because, like Trump, you don’t understand what the grown-ups are talking about?
What a C0ck, no need to be like that. Stop asking leaking questions and tell us all about it then.
NATO members have a target, by 2024, to spend 2% of their GDP on defence.

USA is the biggest arms exporter so it’s in Trump’s interests to get everyone up to that 2% figure. The second biggest is Russia so it’s in Trump’s interest to get everyone up to that 2% figure.

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

140 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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rscott said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Dindoit said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Not required to pay 2% for the next 6 years when others are paying more, sounds like a st deal to me, no wonder Trumpy is not happy about it then.
Why do you keep using the word “pay”?

Is it because, like Trump, you don’t understand what the grown-ups are talking about?
What a C0ck, no need to be like that. Stop asking leading questions and tell us all about it then.

Thats why people are here - TO LEARN


Edited by PAULJ5555 on Wednesday 11th July 14:56
To learn, you have to be able to comprehend and absorb information, something you've so far shown no sign of being able to do (in this thread, anyway).
Example, maybe you need to use small words I can understand LOL

_dobbo_

12,590 posts

212 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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All this NATO talk has me wondering, is Trump preparing to pull the USA out of NATO? He's just about clueless enough about the consequences of that to do it, and all this posturing has to be for something. Maybe he wants more defense spending, or maybe he's lining up his excuses...

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

140 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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Dindoit said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Dindoit said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Not required to pay 2% for the next 6 years when others are paying more, sounds like a st deal to me, no wonder Trumpy is not happy about it then.
Why do you keep using the word “pay”?

Is it because, like Trump, you don’t understand what the grown-ups are talking about?
What a C0ck, no need to be like that. Stop asking leaking questions and tell us all about it then.
NATO members have a target, by 2024, to spend 2% of their GDP on defence.

USA is the biggest arms exporter so it’s in Trump’s interests to get everyone up to that 2% figure. The second biggest is Russia so it’s in Trump’s interest to get everyone up to that 2% figure.
Thank you If someone said this 2 pages ago you could have avoided this nonsense.

_dobbo_

12,590 posts

212 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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PAULJ5555 said:
Thank you If someone said this 2 pages ago you could have avoided this nonsense.
But do you not see the problem here? Trump moans about people not "paying" and this is then accepted as some sort of true thing.

You've taken the time to understand this better. How many others haven't?

So there is a President who tells outright lies to support whatever his fking demented agenda is. And these lies are potentially very dangerous and damaging.


_dobbo_

12,590 posts

212 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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Nanook said:
Why 2%?
You seem to be doing the job of the White House press secretary. "What the president means is...."

In reality, only he knows why he is choosing to misrepresent the situation with his use of the "pay" rhetoric.


Dindoit

1,645 posts

58 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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_dobbo_ said:
All this NATO talk has me wondering, is Trump preparing to pull the USA out of NATO? He's just about clueless enough about the consequences of that to do it, and all this posturing has to be for something. Maybe he wants more defense spending, or maybe he's lining up his excuses...
Or maybe he wants to PAЯTNEЯ up with someone else?

ou sont les biscuits

4,298 posts

159 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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Nanook said:
Why 2%?

Because, as I understand it, it was what NATO decided the figure should be a long time ago. This figure isn't a new thing.

As for your example, are there really any governments or MOD/DODs out there that are stupid enough to do that? I don't think so.

I was just commenting, some people seem to be insinuating that Trump's being a bit of a dick for suggesting that America are paying more than everyone else. Really, he's saying that the agreement was that every NATO member, regardless of size, has agreed to contribute 2% of GDP towards defence, for the 'greater good', and that most countries are not pulling their weight.

I've found a reference to the 2% 'target' from 2006, but I'm sure it's been around longer than that. Albeit a 'target' than a rule, but I don't see what's wrong with expecting other NATO members to contribute fairly.
I don't see what's wrong with expecting the POTUS to behave diplomatically. Look at this tweet from the Orange Buffoon a few hours ago.

POTUS Tweet said:
The European Union makes it impossible for our farmers and workers and companies to do business in Europe (U.S. has a $151 Billion trade deficit), and then they want us to happily defend them through NATO, and nicely pay for it. Just doesn’t work!
Basically, he's using the 2% as blackmail.

Eric Mc

114,733 posts

229 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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When you consider what commitments the US had to NATO up until 1991, you would recognise that what they contribute now is a tiny fraction compared to then. The Americans were keener than anyone on the expected "Peace Dividend" that the end of the Cold War was supposed to bring. As an example of how much US involvement in Europe has dropped, just look at a list of the UK air bases they had in 1991 compared to now -

Lakenheath
Upper Heyford
Bentwaters
Woodbridge
Alconbury
Mildenhall
Greenham Common
Fairford

Now its just Mildenhall and Lakenheath - with Mildenhall set to close. Fairford is used for deployments only with no operational units actually based there.




Tartan Pixie

1,877 posts

111 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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Dindoit said:
NATO members have a target, by 2024, to spend 2% of their GDP on defence.

USA is the biggest arms exporter so it’s in Trump’s interests to get everyone up to that 2% figure. The second biggest is Russia so it’s in Trump’s interest to get everyone up to that 2% figure.
EADS would like a word.

As said above the only requirement is for 2% of spending so why would the EU make themselves dependant on someone else's supply chain when they can lob it all at Leo 2's, eurofighters, H&K guns, etc?

Other than reduced influence in Europe and increased competition for the death trade I don't see what America's getting out of this. I mean sure they could potentially reduce their military spending and spend it on schools, hospitals and infrastructure instead but... oh hang on I just saw a flying pig go past the window.

minimoog

6,494 posts

183 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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Dindoit said:
Or maybe he wants to PA?TNE? up with someone else?
"*All* of Europe you say? Yes yes of course, as you wish. But we can have South America for now? Seems very fair Mr Putin Sir, very fair. Thank you Sir"

Halb

51,731 posts

147 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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I thought Burtonwood was active till the 90s, but seems it was just a deployment thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Burtonwood

as an aside, one of the stories told to me by my mum's uncle, was of all the yank iron dumped in the MSC by the leaving yanks, all the harleys and whatnot, because it was a faff to import them back to the USA, cheaper to dump and buy new.

Eric Mc

114,733 posts

229 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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The US had other non-flying bases in the UK as well.

MSC?

minimoog

6,494 posts

183 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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Eric Mc said:
MSC?
Manchester Ship Canal
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