Multiculturalsim
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s1962a said:
del mar said:
Somalia was not in the commonwealth and it is a long way from the UK, how we ended up with any is a mystery to me.
So you're ok with the migration from commonwealth countries into the UK? You know, those British Subjects that were invited over to rebuild Britain after world war II.We are trying to keep up with you moving the goalposts everyday, but it's not easy. First it's about muslamics, then those that provide an economic benefit, then about what benefit they provide to soceity, and now it's about migrants froom non commonwealth countries. Soon you'll have whittled it down to asking what possible benefit we have allowing Laquisha from Micronesia into the UK.
Somalia has been a failed state for years, they have managed to bring to the UK
Crime
Fgm
An outdated attitude to women.
They are not against a bit of gang action.
Why we would want a single mother with 6 kids is beyond me.
It has always been the same question, what benefit do they give to society.
Financial doesn’t work, hence i asked for some examples of other benefits of which we have had food.
Alpinestars said:
You keep assuming what I've said. Nowhere have I given my view on how many and what type of immigrants we should allow into Britain.
YOU were the one that brought fiscal benefit into the argument and then changed it to positive cultural influences, and when that didn't work, it became unique positive cultural influences. So I'm asking again - what unique positive cultural influences do we (Brits) have? In your opinion - not someone else's.
Can't you see, that when it suits your agenda, you find a bad news story, led by your racism, and apply a nice broad brush to anyone who "looks" remotely like the bad guy - all Muslims, all immigrants, all black peoples. You have little interest in the subject matter, the focus is purely on the characteristics of the perpetrator.
There are many examples of that in the threads you start and the threads you post on (and interestingly, don't post on). The consistent theme is jump on, or start threads about immigrants or Muslims, and ignore the threads on similar themes to those you start, but don't involve those you hate. Does it therefore surprise anyone that you're using the same MO on this thread, and squirming around to put together even a semi thought out argument? Unfortunately not.
I think you are trying to make something that isn’t there.YOU were the one that brought fiscal benefit into the argument and then changed it to positive cultural influences, and when that didn't work, it became unique positive cultural influences. So I'm asking again - what unique positive cultural influences do we (Brits) have? In your opinion - not someone else's.
Can't you see, that when it suits your agenda, you find a bad news story, led by your racism, and apply a nice broad brush to anyone who "looks" remotely like the bad guy - all Muslims, all immigrants, all black peoples. You have little interest in the subject matter, the focus is purely on the characteristics of the perpetrator.
There are many examples of that in the threads you start and the threads you post on (and interestingly, don't post on). The consistent theme is jump on, or start threads about immigrants or Muslims, and ignore the threads on similar themes to those you start, but don't involve those you hate. Does it therefore surprise anyone that you're using the same MO on this thread, and squirming around to put together even a semi thought out argument? Unfortunately not.
I know you haven’t said anything or given your view, you rarely do.
All I have asked for is benefits.
Istand by the “no financial benefit argument”, yes I brought it up, studies have shown that to be the case.
I am giving people a chance here, there are no financial benefits, so give me some cultural or social ones. I am not moving goal posts or changing things I am asking people to show me I am wrong. - kebabs. !!
UK
Democratic
Open and fair, the welfare state has tri d to address the fairness, but at huge cost.
Tolerant, to a point
Separation of church and state.
Fish and chips
Average football
All these feed into who we are and shape how we live.
We should not have accpted or be accepting people from society’s that are way behind us.
Being gay is still illegal in some countries and we allow / have allowed migration from them.
In the last 90 days I think I have started 12 threads, one was about the handshake incident in France the others were car related.
I actually think you post more on Muslim threads than me.
Edited by del mar on Wednesday 25th April 19:41
Finlandia said:
Most of the failed asylum seekers are not deported, for the simple reason that generally you are meant to leave by your own means, very few are actually deported by officials. No one knows exactly how many illegals there are at this moment, estimates range from 10,000 to 30-50,000 or more.
At the moment there is a raging political debate going on about 9,000 Afghans who have had their asylum applications rejected, but are still illegally in the country. I think the last turn is that they are being pardoned and allowed to stay, now that the Centre party has voted for it along with the left flank.
As a paperless person (that is what the illegals are called) in Sweden, you have the same right to medical/healthcare and dental care as a resident in Sweden. If you are a paperless person under the age of 18, you have the right to an education as well.
At the moment I don't think there are any age tests being carried out, that is another hot potato topic in the politics, to trust the word of the asylum seeker or to test for the actual age. As it stands now you can claim to be 17 and get everything for free, even if you are a paperless 30 year old.
Germany tried to deport 300 Pakistanis, Pakistan r fused to take them so Germany took them back !At the moment there is a raging political debate going on about 9,000 Afghans who have had their asylum applications rejected, but are still illegally in the country. I think the last turn is that they are being pardoned and allowed to stay, now that the Centre party has voted for it along with the left flank.
As a paperless person (that is what the illegals are called) in Sweden, you have the same right to medical/healthcare and dental care as a resident in Sweden. If you are a paperless person under the age of 18, you have the right to an education as well.
At the moment I don't think there are any age tests being carried out, that is another hot potato topic in the politics, to trust the word of the asylum seeker or to test for the actual age. As it stands now you can claim to be 17 and get everything for free, even if you are a paperless 30 year old.
Without papers it is difficult to know which country to send them back to.
del mar said:
Finlandia said:
Most of the failed asylum seekers are not deported, for the simple reason that generally you are meant to leave by your own means, very few are actually deported by officials. No one knows exactly how many illegals there are at this moment, estimates range from 10,000 to 30-50,000 or more.
At the moment there is a raging political debate going on about 9,000 Afghans who have had their asylum applications rejected, but are still illegally in the country. I think the last turn is that they are being pardoned and allowed to stay, now that the Centre party has voted for it along with the left flank.
As a paperless person (that is what the illegals are called) in Sweden, you have the same right to medical/healthcare and dental care as a resident in Sweden. If you are a paperless person under the age of 18, you have the right to an education as well.
At the moment I don't think there are any age tests being carried out, that is another hot potato topic in the politics, to trust the word of the asylum seeker or to test for the actual age. As it stands now you can claim to be 17 and get everything for free, even if you are a paperless 30 year old.
Germany tried to deport 300 Pakistanis, Pakistan r fused to take them so Germany took them back !At the moment there is a raging political debate going on about 9,000 Afghans who have had their asylum applications rejected, but are still illegally in the country. I think the last turn is that they are being pardoned and allowed to stay, now that the Centre party has voted for it along with the left flank.
As a paperless person (that is what the illegals are called) in Sweden, you have the same right to medical/healthcare and dental care as a resident in Sweden. If you are a paperless person under the age of 18, you have the right to an education as well.
At the moment I don't think there are any age tests being carried out, that is another hot potato topic in the politics, to trust the word of the asylum seeker or to test for the actual age. As it stands now you can claim to be 17 and get everything for free, even if you are a paperless 30 year old.
Without papers it is difficult to know which country to send them back to.
The country of origin not wanting their citizens back is a problem that needs sorting globally, sanctions perhaps? Can a country even refuse their citizens?
captain_cynic said:
I think what is even more incredible is that someone with next to no education from some 3rd world craphole can manage to evade Britain's finest investigators... yet the whole thing is known beyond any shadow of a doubt by some random angry whinger on Pistonheads. Imagine if they applied to work a Border Force or MI5.
Jack straw knew it in 2000Edited by andy.mod on Wednesday 25th April 15:03
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2000/nov/22/as...
It was still an issue in 2017
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/02/home-o...
markcoznottz said:
So driving through Bradford and seeing one of the longest established Muslim communities and basing a judgement of uk muslims from that is bigoted????
Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.
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I think it's going to be similar to driving through some of the less-salubrious parts of Hull or Blackpool and assuming that all British white people live like that. For example there's a council estate in my town where a common sight is unwashed blokes in yellowing vests walking around drinking, smoking and urinating against walls. That isn't representative of most/all "British white people" and it would be stupid to suggest that it was.Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.
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markcoznottz said:
The Chinese and French have integrated superbly and always do wherever it is in the world , AND have contributed a lot to our culture. Il ask you again 2cv, as you dodged the question last time , if muslims, usually of Pakistani origin/recent descent , live in thier own community, e.g. Bradford, and eat thier own food from thier own shops, speak thier own language, watch thier own to, and hide thier wives away and try (unsuccessfully so far) to take over the local schools, are they bigots?. What are they doing? Is that 'muslim' or 'Pakistani' culture? Because you take great delight in repeating that there is no such thing as 'British' culture. They are doing exactly what you say we shouldn't be doing?
Do you know any Pakistani's like this? who do all the things you suggest - only speak their own language, and hide their wives away / take over local schools etc etc. I'm of Pakistani descent and know no one like that. Maybe it's different in my part of London, but I would presume I probably know a lot more people thank you from this 'culture' and what I see are hard working people who are well educated, in good careers, who have assimilated well into British society. Of course they might still buy halal meat, or go to the mosque on fridays, grow a beard, or wear traditional dress to a wedding (the ladies mainly), but thats neither here nor there for this conversation. So who do you know that is like this?
Countdown said:
markcoznottz said:
So driving through Bradford and seeing one of the longest established Muslim communities and basing a judgement of uk muslims from that is bigoted????
Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.
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I think it's going to be similar to driving through some of the less-salubrious parts of Hull or Blackpool and assuming that all British white people live like that. For example there's a council estate in my town where a common sight is unwashed blokes in yellowing vests walking around drinking, smoking and urinating against walls. That isn't representative of most/all "British white people" and it would be stupid to suggest that it was.Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.
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Countdown said:
markcoznottz said:
So driving through Bradford and seeing one of the longest established Muslim communities and basing a judgement of uk muslims from that is bigoted????
Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.
.
I think it's going to be similar to driving through some of the less-salubrious parts of Hull or Blackpool and assuming that all British white people live like that. For example there's a council estate in my town where a common sight is unwashed blokes in yellowing vests walking around drinking, smoking and urinating against walls. That isn't representative of most/all "British white people" and it would be stupid to suggest that it was.Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.
.
I don't think there is anything that doesn't have a bad side in life....
To some for example drinking is sitting in a beer garden on sunny day eating a bag of crisps and pint of cold larger.... to others its 2 litres of cheap cider and fall asleep in a door way...or 8 pints of stella and go home and slap the wife about....
I can't believe someone had to ask is it bigoted to judge a whole people on one community they drive past.....actually really sad.. how can you live like that?
Markcoznottz (chavz put z on things) is not a bigot i would say he fits the meaning of 'racist'...to a T...or a z
Edited by ape x on Thursday 26th April 09:32
ape x said:
Countdown said:
markcoznottz said:
So driving through Bradford and seeing one of the longest established Muslim communities and basing a judgement of uk muslims from that is bigoted????
Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.
.
I think it's going to be similar to driving through some of the less-salubrious parts of Hull or Blackpool and assuming that all British white people live like that. For example there's a council estate in my town where a common sight is unwashed blokes in yellowing vests walking around drinking, smoking and urinating against walls. That isn't representative of most/all "British white people" and it would be stupid to suggest that it was.Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.
.
I don't think there is anything that doesn't have a bad side in life....
To some for example drinking is sitting in a beer garden on sunny day eating a bag of crisps and pint of cold larger.... to others its 2 litres of cheap cider and fall asleep in a door way...or 8 pints of stella and go home and slap the wife about....
I can't believe someone had to ask is it bigoted to judge a whole people on one community they drive past.....actually really sad.. how can you live like that?
Markcoznottz (chavz put z on things) is not a bigot i would say he fits the meaning of 'racist'...to a T...or a z
Edited by ape x on Thursday 26th April 09:32
WinstonWolf said:
ape x said:
Countdown said:
markcoznottz said:
So driving through Bradford and seeing one of the longest established Muslim communities and basing a judgement of uk muslims from that is bigoted????
Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.
.
I think it's going to be similar to driving through some of the less-salubrious parts of Hull or Blackpool and assuming that all British white people live like that. For example there's a council estate in my town where a common sight is unwashed blokes in yellowing vests walking around drinking, smoking and urinating against walls. That isn't representative of most/all "British white people" and it would be stupid to suggest that it was.Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.
.
I don't think there is anything that doesn't have a bad side in life....
To some for example drinking is sitting in a beer garden on sunny day eating a bag of crisps and pint of cold larger.... to others its 2 litres of cheap cider and fall asleep in a door way...or 8 pints of stella and go home and slap the wife about....
I can't believe someone had to ask is it bigoted to judge a whole people on one community they drive past.....actually really sad.. how can you live like that?
Markcoznottz (chavz put z on things) is not a bigot i would say he fits the meaning of 'racist'...to a T...or a z
Edited by ape x on Thursday 26th April 09:32
And yes, i hate chavs..... now what? Are you offended?
ape x said:
Glad you noted it as i was on purpose..... see people like you seem to oddly be the first to moan about stuff like that, but turn a blind eye or engage in that with whole races/cultures/people........
And yes, i hate chavs..... now what? Are you offended?
On a related point - it's not bigoted to hate chavs. It is bigoted to say that "all chavs are white". They're not, they're "multicultural".And yes, i hate chavs..... now what? Are you offended?
As you say, some people only recognise chav behaviour is one section of the population......
Countdown said:
ape x said:
Glad you noted it as i was on purpose..... see people like you seem to oddly be the first to moan about stuff like that, but turn a blind eye or engage in that with whole races/cultures/people........
And yes, i hate chavs..... now what? Are you offended?
On a related point - it's not bigoted to hate chavs. It is bigoted to say that "all chavs are white". They're not, they're "multicultural".And yes, i hate chavs..... now what? Are you offended?
As you say, some people only recognise chav behaviour is one section of the population......
"a young lower-class person typified by brash and loutish behavior."
I think it covers what i needed it to.... like you say I did not stick something in front of it like "white chav" or "Muslim chav"... so yeah... played winstonwolf and won....
ape x said:
WinstonWolf said:
ape x said:
Countdown said:
markcoznottz said:
So driving through Bradford and seeing one of the longest established Muslim communities and basing a judgement of uk muslims from that is bigoted????
Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.
.
I think it's going to be similar to driving through some of the less-salubrious parts of Hull or Blackpool and assuming that all British white people live like that. For example there's a council estate in my town where a common sight is unwashed blokes in yellowing vests walking around drinking, smoking and urinating against walls. That isn't representative of most/all "British white people" and it would be stupid to suggest that it was.Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.
.
I don't think there is anything that doesn't have a bad side in life....
To some for example drinking is sitting in a beer garden on sunny day eating a bag of crisps and pint of cold larger.... to others its 2 litres of cheap cider and fall asleep in a door way...or 8 pints of stella and go home and slap the wife about....
I can't believe someone had to ask is it bigoted to judge a whole people on one community they drive past.....actually really sad.. how can you live like that?
Markcoznottz (chavz put z on things) is not a bigot i would say he fits the meaning of 'racist'...to a T...or a z
Edited by ape x on Thursday 26th April 09:32
And yes, i hate chavs..... now what? Are you offended?
You're the same as those you dislike, you just can't see it.
Going a little off topic here.
The simple question remains, has it worked?
I think the older generations of white English would say no, but a higher percentage of the current generation will say yes, and future generations will say yes more than no!
The issues massive population influx have on our country and society are obvious. And that is what drives the bigotry and racism. not just here but all over the world. I have seen racism in my own street, open. shouty, racism and it is ugly, sad and pathetic, especially when these people have kids in tow and a wife backing them up.
What is sadder is people not stepping up and saying something to these vermin. Especially when there is no justification for their outbursts.
Just that here, there was a vote, and now that vote is driving a new way of working for everyone.
The simple question remains, has it worked?
I think the older generations of white English would say no, but a higher percentage of the current generation will say yes, and future generations will say yes more than no!
The issues massive population influx have on our country and society are obvious. And that is what drives the bigotry and racism. not just here but all over the world. I have seen racism in my own street, open. shouty, racism and it is ugly, sad and pathetic, especially when these people have kids in tow and a wife backing them up.
What is sadder is people not stepping up and saying something to these vermin. Especially when there is no justification for their outbursts.
Just that here, there was a vote, and now that vote is driving a new way of working for everyone.
WinstonWolf said:
ape x said:
WinstonWolf said:
ape x said:
Countdown said:
markcoznottz said:
So driving through Bradford and seeing one of the longest established Muslim communities and basing a judgement of uk muslims from that is bigoted????
Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.
.
I think it's going to be similar to driving through some of the less-salubrious parts of Hull or Blackpool and assuming that all British white people live like that. For example there's a council estate in my town where a common sight is unwashed blokes in yellowing vests walking around drinking, smoking and urinating against walls. That isn't representative of most/all "British white people" and it would be stupid to suggest that it was.Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.
.
I don't think there is anything that doesn't have a bad side in life....
To some for example drinking is sitting in a beer garden on sunny day eating a bag of crisps and pint of cold larger.... to others its 2 litres of cheap cider and fall asleep in a door way...or 8 pints of stella and go home and slap the wife about....
I can't believe someone had to ask is it bigoted to judge a whole people on one community they drive past.....actually really sad.. how can you live like that?
Markcoznottz (chavz put z on things) is not a bigot i would say he fits the meaning of 'racist'...to a T...or a z
Edited by ape x on Thursday 26th April 09:32
And yes, i hate chavs..... now what? Are you offended?
You're the same as those you dislike, you just can't see it.
I am a bigot towards many people....but i don't do that on the basis of the skin colour or just because they were not born here....
It seems people are being criticized for using a small number of extreme examples to portray an entire group and highlight how the system is broken and perhaps things should be changed or looked.
I can understand the criticism in away, but all we've had for the last week or so on the MSM is small number of extreme examples of individuals adversely affected by our immigration policies being rolled out in front of the cameras. And the narrative which seems to be being portrayed is that our entire immigration system is now cruel and wrong because of it.
I can understand the criticism in away, but all we've had for the last week or so on the MSM is small number of extreme examples of individuals adversely affected by our immigration policies being rolled out in front of the cameras. And the narrative which seems to be being portrayed is that our entire immigration system is now cruel and wrong because of it.
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