France bans the use of the word 'sausage' for veggies

[captain_cynic]

ATG said:

And you're accusing others of constructing irrational arguments in order to look down on people? Bwwhhhaahahahhaahhh. Top marks for daftness and hypocrisy.

Actually point out what is irrational about it? Be specific.

Nothing is irrational about it. Its just that you dont agree. Sorry, but that's your problem.

[TooMany2cvs]

captain_cynic said:

Then why make it look and taste like meat?

If they dont want to eat an animal product... Why do they need to make it into a pretend animal product?

Simple. Lack of imagination as to what else you can put into a sandwich or whatever.

Fine example:

Lentilist said:

As a reasonably long term veggie who occasionally consumes Quorn sausage and burger products, I can say I don't eat these products because I somehow crave meat, or even particularly like the taste of meat, it's more than they're just a useful shape for putting in a finger roll (not made of fingers - outrage!) or a bap.

There's a million and three veggie options, even if you really must have a roll or bap for some reason. There's probably more veggie lunch options than (fake-)meat ones.

[amusingduck]

captain_cynic said:

amusingduck said:

captain_cynic said:

amusingduck said:

How is eating quorn sausages admitting they are wrong without overtly saying it?

Seeking a thing that looks like meat, tastes like meat but isn't meat?

How isn't it?

No animals were killed to make the sausage?

Then why make it look and taste like meat?

If they dont want to eat an animal product... Why do they need to make it into a pretend animal product?

Its not like there is a shortage of vegetarian recopies that don't look or taste like meat? Fake sausages, bacon and other meat "replacement" products are a fairly specific niche that also seems quite profitable (so clearly in demand).

Ease of adapting non-veggie recipes? They like the taste?

It's not like sausage/bacon/99% of the meat that we eat visibly has any resemblance to animals to begin with.

If our society had always had the opposite ratio of meat eaters to veggies (ie - a massive majority of non-meat eaters), I imagine you'd see meat versions of the most common veggie foods.

[TooMany2cvs]

amusingduck said:

It's not like sausage/bacon/99% of the meat that we eat visibly has any resemblance to animals to begin with.

Sausages may not, but bacon certainly does. The typical cartoon rasher comes from the back of the pig, while streaky is from the belly. See an unsliced joint, and the rasher is obvious.

As for "99%", that depends entirely on what you eat, of course. We very rarely buy meat from the supermarket, not least because we're lucky enough to have a choice of very good butchers locally. Apart from their meat being cheaper than supermarkets, quality for quality, it's a case of use 'em or lose 'em. Most of the meat that ends up on our plates could easily be pointed-to on the animal. We did have sausages last night - top-quality ones from the charcuterie guy on the market. £3.50 for four very large sausages, direct to the guy who butchered the carcass and made 'em. Compare that to £2 for those revoltingly pink generic supermarket ones, or a fiver for the usually disappointing "artisan" supermarket brands...

[captain_cynic]

amusingduck said:

Ease of adapting non-veggie recipes? They like the taste?

It's not like sausage/bacon/99% of the meat that we eat visibly has any resemblance to animals to begin with.

If our society had always had the opposite ratio of meat eaters to veggies (ie - a massive majority of non-meat eaters), I imagine you'd see meat versions of the most common veggie foods.

And that's why they're admitting they're wrong.

There's heaps of vegetarian recipes that don't look or taste like meat, many of them in formats that are conducive to being used in a sandwich.

You're grasping for straws rather than letting the issue go.

[amusingduck]

TooMany2cvs said:

amusingduck said:

It's not like sausage/bacon/99% of the meat that we eat visibly has any resemblance to animals to begin with.

Sausages may not, but bacon certainly does. The typical cartoon rasher comes from the back of the pig, while streaky is from the belly. See an unsliced joint, and the rasher is obvious.

As for "99%", that depends entirely on what you eat, of course. We very rarely buy meat from the supermarket, not least because we're lucky enough to have a choice of very good butchers locally. Apart from their meat being cheaper than supermarkets, quality for quality, it's a case of use 'em or lose 'em. Most of the meat that ends up on our plates could easily be pointed-to on the animal. We did have sausages last night - top-quality ones from the charcuterie guy on the market. £3.50 for four very large sausages, direct to the guy who butchered the carcass and made 'em. Compare that to £2 for those revoltingly pink generic supermarket ones, or a fiver for the usually disappointing "artisan" supermarket brands...

I wouldn't say bacon particularly resembles an animal. The vast majority of the time, it's just pre-sliced meat.

Though I feel "99%" was probably a bit strong, given how many chicken legs/thighs we eat.

[amusingduck]

captain_cynic said:

amusingduck said:

Ease of adapting non-veggie recipes? They like the taste?

It's not like sausage/bacon/99% of the meat that we eat visibly has any resemblance to animals to begin with.

If our society had always had the opposite ratio of meat eaters to veggies (ie - a massive majority of non-meat eaters), I imagine you'd see meat versions of the most common veggie foods.

And that's why they're admitting they're wrong.

There's heaps of vegetarian recipes that don't look or taste like meat, many of them in formats that are conducive to being used in a sandwich.

You're grasping for straws rather than letting the issue go.

I don't have a dog in the fight, I just don't see your logic.

If I woke up tomorrow and decided I'd never eat meat again, I'd definitely go down the veggie sausages/burgers/"chicken pieces" route. It's food that is more familiar to me, seems ideal for the transition into not eating meat. Obviously i'd explore the proper veggie offerings, but I don't see how deciding that I enjoy quorn burgers would make me a hypocrite.

[TooMany2cvs]

amusingduck said:

I wouldn't say bacon particularly resembles an animal. The vast majority of the time, it's just pre-sliced meat.

Yes, but it's in slices that look just like a cross-section of that bit of the animal.

amusingduck said:

Though I feel "99%" was probably a bit strong, given how many chicken legs/thighs we eat.

Even breast fillets look just like... well... the breast of a chicken. Which is exactly what they are.

Obviously, you're not going to put something that looks just like a (whole) cow onto your plate. Not unless it's a VERY big plate.


Problem is that people don't know what bits-of-animal look like, because they get their meat in little plastic trays from the supermarket.

[Vitorio]

Doofus said:

Ali G said:

Snails - meat, veg or disgusting?

Why in the world would a snail be a vegetable?

I sit here at my desk desperately, and unsuccesfully trying to maintain composure, top marks!