How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)
Discussion
Ghibli said:
KrissKross said:
You are not making sense.
The UK is just a country, individuals & companies offer things to trade with.
For example, if your "things" are rubbish you have nothing to trade with.
A country does not trade with another country.
The only thing we can leave is one tax for another, better or worse we are yet to find out.
If we end up with WTO it's probably not going to be as good as EU FTAs.The UK is just a country, individuals & companies offer things to trade with.
For example, if your "things" are rubbish you have nothing to trade with.
A country does not trade with another country.
The only thing we can leave is one tax for another, better or worse we are yet to find out.
Whether we get better deals at a later date remains to be seen.
Sway said:
Mrr T said:
I am not being inconsistent. I have always said a technology border may be possible. Presenting the EU with a sheet of A4 which suggests such a border but has no detail on how it will work, no detail on how long it will take to build it not a sensible way to convince them to agree to the option. You stated quite clearly that the EU had created a proposal (which didn't include any detail about the NI/UK processes), whereas the ERG/et al hadn't. That's not true, is it. Both proposals have equal detail. The level of detail from Davis/ERG/et al has obviously been sufficient - Barnier is now a proponent of a technology solution. He's just got to decide where...
I do like the idea that its sufficient to just build the border for NI imports. So we will spend all this money building this new system which will facilitate Irelands trade with NI and the UK, while most of NI exports are stuck in lorries waiting to cross the border. You do understand that might solve the problem for Ireland but not only will the UK tax payer be paying for this new system it will also be bailing out a failed NI economy. I'm not able to influence what's acceptable to the EU. One of the reasons why I voted to Leave. What they do, is up to them. I'd suggest that seeing as there are, as you put it, costs and timescales involved, we can influence quite how quickly we implement the solution that maintains the RoI's economy considering their dependency. I'm more than happy to work collaboratively so that both parties have a trading clearance mechanism that removes borders as bottlenecks. If they wish to play antagonist, then my mood shifts somewhat.
I do like the idea that its sufficient to just build the border for NI imports. So we will spend all this money building this new system which will facilitate Irelands trade with NI and the UK, while most of NI exports are stuck in lorries waiting to cross the border. You do understand that might solve the problem for Ireland but not only will the UK tax payer be paying for this new system it will also be bailing out a failed NI economy. I'm not able to influence what's acceptable to the EU. One of the reasons why I voted to Leave. What they do, is up to them. I'd suggest that seeing as there are, as you put it, costs and timescales involved, we can influence quite how quickly we implement the solution that maintains the RoI's economy considering their dependency. I'm more than happy to work collaboratively so that both parties have a trading clearance mechanism that removes borders as bottlenecks. If they wish to play antagonist, then my mood shifts somewhat.
It would be amusing if the EU accepted a technology border but only if the UK remained in the SM and CU until it was delivered. I suspect ERG MP be saying that's not acceptable.
It does seem odd your brexit is happy to see the NI economy thrown under a bus.
Tuna said:
How many times have I asked you a direct question about the negotiation and you've avoided answering?
How many times have you actually commented on the detail of the negotiations, rather than making blanket statements?
I regularly post about the actual negotiations, in between dealing with your trolling. If you don't start doing the same, I'll be happy to discuss your behaviour with the mods.
Ah you are going to press the report button because I keep telling you that your opinion doesn't fit with the real negotiations.How many times have you actually commented on the detail of the negotiations, rather than making blanket statements?
I regularly post about the actual negotiations, in between dealing with your trolling. If you don't start doing the same, I'll be happy to discuss your behaviour with the mods.
What is the PH solution to the border issue? Are you with gooner.
Ghibli said:
Ah you are going to press the report button because I keep telling you that your opinion doesn't fit with the real negotiations.
What is the PH solution to the border issue? Are you with gooner.
When's your tea break?What is the PH solution to the border issue? Are you with gooner.
You really don't have to answer every post. Give people time to breath.
Funny how some people seem to s
t themselves over the possible threat to the GFA and the reemergence of republican terrorism, yet are happy to promote a route that would kick off the loyalist side to a stupid degree.
A problem (and solution) from Irish nationalists (backed up by the EU) just causes a different but related set of problems.
t themselves over the possible threat to the GFA and the reemergence of republican terrorism, yet are happy to promote a route that would kick off the loyalist side to a stupid degree.A problem (and solution) from Irish nationalists (backed up by the EU) just causes a different but related set of problems.
soupdragon1 said:
Ghibli said:
would that mean the border would be down the Irish Sea?
Isn't that what Barnier is suggesting
7. Watch this short video, particularly Nigel Dodds (DUP Brexit negotiator) reaction once T May starts speaking in house of commons yesterday. She has a Fruedian slip possibly, saying UK leaving the UK (actually thinking NI partly leaving UK?) but besides that, at the very end, she mentions a 'best of both worlds' for NI business, like Barnier implied, without actually using that phrase. Isn't that what Barnier is suggesting
Check out @duponline’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/duponline/status/1051867939304...
It's no different to someone writing 'Leaver' when they meant 'Remainer, or writing 'UK' when they should have written 'EU', all of the latter could also happen in a conversation, especially in the environment May was in, and the added pressure of the audience.
Jonesy23 said:
Funny how some people seem to st themselves over the possible threat to the GFA and the reemergence of republican terrorism, yet are happy to promote a route that would kick off the loyalist side to a stupid degree.
A problem (and solution) from Irish nationalists (backed up by the EU) just causes a different but related set of problems.
Posturing from all sides apart would the solution of northern Ireland remaining in the CU/SM provide a really positive financial benefit?t themselves over the possible threat to the GFA and the reemergence of republican terrorism, yet are happy to promote a route that would kick off the loyalist side to a stupid degree.A problem (and solution) from Irish nationalists (backed up by the EU) just causes a different but related set of problems.
(That is a genuine question by the way, I think it would but I am not positive)
Ghibli said:
KrissKross said:
What's that got to do with anything I said?
I'm discussing the trade deals we will be losing in a no deal situation.The tax you mention will be the tarriffs.
Yes, tax is tariffs and other barriers, call it any name you like, it does not help with trade, it only hinders.
If our government was sensible it would remove barriers in the short term and lead the world on a new system, the EU would be worried about such an option, hence why they don't want us to go it alone and be seen to have any better ideas than them. This would be embarrassing.
Mrr T said:
It does seem many on the leave team have read what Barnier said and made 2 + 2 = 5. Barnier said the border in the sea can be technology and away from the ports. The EU proposal is for the sea border. What Barnier means that it up to the UK how they manage the border. If the UK can develop a technology border then it's up to the UK. However, what ever happens there will be a border if it people and clip boards or technology that's up to the UK. This does not mean he accepts a technology border on land because the UK have not presented any concrete evidence it can be produced on time and if it's not ready for 2020 there is no fall back.
It would be amusing if the EU accepted a technology border but only if the UK remained in the SM and CU until it was delivered. I suspect ERG MP be saying that's not acceptable.
It does seem odd your brexit is happy to see the NI economy thrown under a bus.
Once implemented, is there any better way to manage international trade for a nation? It would be amusing if the EU accepted a technology border but only if the UK remained in the SM and CU until it was delivered. I suspect ERG MP be saying that's not acceptable.
It does seem odd your brexit is happy to see the NI economy thrown under a bus.
WTO transition periods are not unusual - how do you think borders get created/moved/etc., under completely unplanned and chaotic national changes? Frankly, no one cares. Big business/logistics firms will already able to use the full AEO approach, which works just fine today and requires no real implementation. Everything below, it's a "best endeavours" approach until the solution is implemented.
I note you rarely if ever comment on the border processing implications of Chequers - which are significantly greater than even the technology solution.
Ghibli said:
Then end up with only Brexit supporters on PH.
Not really - there's plenty of people like me who wouldn't mine joining the thread but get put off by the endless fking bickering.There are bellends on both sides. Looks like quite a few of the brexit bellends have been given a hard exit from this thread so hopefully you'll be next.
Ghibli said:
Then end up with only Brexit supporters on PH.
A healthy balance is good, my concerns are that neither side really understands how trade works. The wrong people are negotiating the wrong things, and generally, good-hearted people are falling out with each other over this.desolate said:
When's your tea break?
You really don't have to answer every post. Give people time to breath.
Ghibli: Cup of tea?You really don't have to answer every post. Give people time to breath.
Ghibli: lovely.
Ghibli: Shall I be mother?
Ghibli: Please do.
Ghibli:Milk, Sugar.
Ghibli: No please, thank me.
Ghibli: What?
Ghibli:You heard.
Ghibli:No you didn't
Ghibli:Yes I didn't
Ghibli:What?
Ghibli:Right you've just about had enough of I, get your own lemonade.
don'tbesilly said:
soupdragon1 said:
Ghibli said:
would that mean the border would be down the Irish Sea?
Isn't that what Barnier is suggesting
7. Watch this short video, particularly Nigel Dodds (DUP Brexit negotiator) reaction once T May starts speaking in house of commons yesterday. She has a Fruedian slip possibly, saying UK leaving the UK (actually thinking NI partly leaving UK?) but besides that, at the very end, she mentions a 'best of both worlds' for NI business, like Barnier implied, without actually using that phrase. Isn't that what Barnier is suggesting
Check out @duponline’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/duponline/status/1051867939304...
It's no different to someone writing 'Leaver' when they meant 'Remainer, or writing 'UK' when they should have written 'EU', all of the latter could also happen in a conversation, especially in the environment May was in, and the added pressure of the audience.
KrissKross said:
A healthy balance is good, my concerns are that neither side really understands how trade works. The wrong people are negotiating the wrong things, and generally, good-hearted people are falling out with each other over this.
This is the negotiations thread hence discussion of the Irish border.Apparently the Irish problem doesn't exist but it's only an opinion on PH.
It's still there in the real world.
Ghibli said:
KrissKross said:
A healthy balance is good, my concerns are that neither side really understands how trade works. The wrong people are negotiating the wrong things, and generally, good-hearted people are falling out with each other over this.
This is the negotiations thread hence discussion of the Irish border.Apparently the Irish problem doesn't exist but it's only an opinion on PH.
It's still there in the real world.
You are clearly not here to discuss or learn anything.
I don't come here that often, now I know why.
desolate said:
gooner1 said:
No deal solves the Irish border solution for the UK.
If the ROI and the EU want a borde on their side, that's their business.
Though I have a strong feeling the problem would rapidly dissapear.
Wouldn't that be an issue for British residents and businesses, who would lose their current benefits under the CTA?If the ROI and the EU want a borde on their side, that's their business.
Though I have a strong feeling the problem would rapidly dissapear.
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