45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

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Halb

51,450 posts

133 months

Saturday 12th January 2019
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ALex Jones is a great american in the truest historical tradition. \he's found his hucksters and he's fleecing them dry. With anti-gay drinks and whatever.

anonymous-user

4 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Countdown said:
JonChalk said:
Byker28i said:
Lindsey Graham
@LindseyGrahamSC

Mr. President,

Declare a national emergency NOW.

Build a wall NOW.
....or if you could bring yourself to believe in a devious, calculating GOP (rather than the dim-witted, scared GOP), "let's keep pushing Trump to do stupid things, so that it makes it easier to disown him at a critical point later".

Granted this logic is flawed on so many levels, I don't really know why I suggested it :-).
There is another explanation - that the GOP and their supporters genuinely believe in what Trump is trying to do. IIRC 77% of GOP voters want the Wall. The Wall was one of the BIG things Trump promised during his campaign. We might not like it but that’s democracy and that’s what a lot of people voted for.
For sts and giggles, someone ought to point out that if the wall is so perfect at keeping illegals out of the US, then it is going to be equally perfect at stopping the US sending illegals back out of the US. Walls have consequences etc.

Fairly confident that a good proportion of Trump’s base would have to stop walking and sit down to think their way through that one.



zb

1,396 posts

114 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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For those wondering how it's got this far. The American security services have been on this since before Trump got in, and ramped it up once he did. The reason why it is taking so long is they want to be sure they've got every single one of these treasonous mother fkers.

As for Mr Putin, stick a fork in him, he's done.

Tartan Pixie

1,353 posts

97 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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eta - I did google Sydney J. Harris and apparently he's a real person. ¯\_(?)_/¯

eta 2 - never copy a shrug face from the internet and expect the ascii to work.
Edited by Tartan Pixie on Sunday 13th January 04:24


Edited by Tartan Pixie on Sunday 13th January 04:27

Byker28i

21,673 posts

167 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Extra smarty point for using Ascii art though biggrin

Byker28i

21,673 posts

167 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Russian President Vladi­mir Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, current and former U.S. officials said.

As a result, U.S. officials said there is no detailed record, even in classified files, of Trump’s face-to-face interactions with the Russian leader at five locations over the past two years. Such a gap would be unusual in any presidency, let alone one that Russia sought to install through what U.S. intelligence agencies have described as an unprecedented campaign of election interference.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-secu...

Byker28i

21,673 posts

167 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Remember that Congressman Schiff made a motion to have Marina Gross, the interpreter testify in the House Intelligence Committee. The GOP voted it down.

Kevin McCarthy said“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” according to a recording of the June 15, 2016
Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: “No leaks. .?.?. This is how we know we’re a real family here.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-secu...


Eventually Trump is going to sell Delaware to Putin and use the money to pay off a bad real estate loan Jared got from a Turkish bank and then flip the building to some Qataris who funneled money into Ivanka's lipstick brand and maybe then the GOP will say "Enough!" biggrin

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 13th January 09:33

Byker28i

21,673 posts

167 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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trump phoned into Pirro's show last night

PIRRO: "Are you now or have you ever worked for Russia, Mr. President?"

TRUMP: "I think it’s the most insulting thing I’ve ever been asked... If you read the article, you’ll find they had nothing... It’s called the failing New York Times for a reason..." (then pivots to Comey)

He also claimed he didn't hide anything from his meetings with Putin, said that “I haven’t actually left the White House for months,” except for a quick trip to Iraq. He failed to mention trips for golf, campaign rallies, the G20 summit and visits to California fire scenes, among other events. “I’m a worker,” Trump said.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-slams...

Byker28i

21,673 posts

167 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Oh and he didn't forget Cohen either, who's going to testify all about trumps business practices next week, suggesting that prosecutors should investigate Cohens father in law. The president of the US is calling into a friend's TV show to say prosecutors should look into someone because he has a personal battle with the person's son-in-law.

PositronicRay

17,640 posts

133 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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I notice Ivanka is being touted as a candidate for World Bank head honcho.

Byker28i

21,673 posts

167 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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PositronicRay said:
I notice Ivanka is being touted as a candidate for World Bank head honcho.
Nikki Hayley too allegedly

The rumours are coming from the remaining few team trump members, because trump has the power to nominate candidates to the World Bank position and according to people who have left the administration, has often mentioned Ivanka or Kushner for every position that comes up, despite the fact their not qualified for any of them.

It won't happen, the backlash has already started, plus it was probably a useful minor distraction from all of trumps other woes. They're certainly piling up again.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/12/i...

Lentilist

539 posts

25 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Halb said:
ALex Jones is a great american in the truest historical tradition. \he's found his hucksters and he's fleecing them dry. With anti-gay drinks and whatever.
Problem is, unlike Clark Stanley, he actually believes the worldview he's constructed to sell it. Whether that's always been the case is open to question, as it's possible his success has become self-reinforcing, but he's way more dangerous than a mere huckster. There are people out there using Infowars and its worldview as the starting point for their own theories - witness Pizzagate and QAnon, which is now spilling over into the real world. No idea what QAnon actually is, who's behind it and what the actual intention might be (psy-op, trolling, data gathering, out of control meme...), but it's not selling dubious slimming shakes. It's rapidly becoming a pseudo-religious movement.

paulguitar

4,391 posts

63 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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I spent some time last night looking into Qanon.

It's truly staggering just how mental these people are. The conspiracy stuff is genuinely mind-boggling. Reading through the comments on videos on youtube, there are a significant amount of folks who sincerely believe that trump has been sent by 'god' to sort the United States out. It could really get ugly if we get to a situation where trump is removed from office and has to answer to his crimes. They will think it is a 'deep state' setup and really anything might happen...

Lentilist

539 posts

25 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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paulguitar said:
I spent some time last night looking into Qanon.

It's truly staggering just how mental these people are. The conspiracy stuff is genuinely mind-boggling. Reading through the comments on videos on youtube, there are a significant amount of folks who sincerely believe that trump has been sent by 'god' to sort the United States out. It could really get ugly if we get to a situation where trump is removed from office and has to answer to his crimes. They will think it is a 'deep state' setup and really anything might happen...
There's a further cohort who will believe that any prosecution of Trump will be the work of actual Satanic forces and that it will usher in the End Times and the second coming of Christ. Scarily, you can likely put the VP in that camp, which doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I've heard that subsection of the US described as wanting a kind of "white caliphate", and it's interesting and alarming how closely many of the views parallel extreme Islam when you compare them.

Byker28i

21,673 posts

167 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Well, trump did suggest there will be riots if he is impeached, he's already started to wind up his trumpettes

“I’m not concerned, no,” the president told Reuters reporters about his potential impeachment during an interview in the Oval Office. “I think that the people would revolt if that happened.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-people-will-...

Notice that trump didn't say no when asked if he was a russian agent - he said he was insulted to be asked

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 13th January 13:23

Byker28i

21,673 posts

167 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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According to Politico, the House Judiciary Committee now under the control of the Democrats has announced that they'd like to interview Matthew Whitaker, but he's trying to stall, blaming the government shutdown!

Whitaker had initially committed to Democratic leaders that he’d give testimony in January to the House Judiciary Committee. But those plans have since stalled, with Justice Department officials citing the ongoing government shutdown and Whitaker’s busy travel schedule as reasons for pushing back the hearing

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/07/matthew-...

Could be interesting if the House subpoena's him because if Whitaker doesn’t show up, he’ll be held in contempt and arrested. If he does show up he'll have to answer questions in front of the television cameras, answer questions about any obstruction crimes he's seen trump committing, probably even questions about his own patent scam.

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 13th January 13:38

Countdown

25,456 posts

146 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Byker28i said:
Eventually Trump is going to sell Delaware to Putin and use the money to pay off a bad real estate loan Jared got from a Turkish bank and then flip the building to some Qataris who funneled money into Ivanka's lipstick brand and maybe then the GOP will say "Enough!" biggrin

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 13th January 09:33
I know you say that jokingly but I genuinely believe that Trump could do that and his core support wouldn't drop below 40% and I'm not exaggerating.

Look at the countless explosions of st that Trump has been walking through since 2016 (arguably even before then) that he has shrugged off. he's stood next to Putin and cast doubt on his own Security Agencies. He's sacked the head of the FBI and has railed constantly against an investigation into him. he's also effectively sacked his Attorney General for related reasons. And he's ordered the US military to withdraw from Syria, giving Russia a clear playing field. He's had private 1 -to-1 meetings with Putin that nobody has recorded....... why do you think selling Delaware would be the straw that breaks the camel's back?

That's just a summary of the Russia-related ststorms, the one area where you would have thought that nationalist pride and self-respect would counter or outweigh the racist/sexist/homophobic/xenophobic tendencies of his core supporters. But, in spite of the clear evidence that Trump's tongue would be an effective understudy for Putin's proctoscope, his support STILL stands at 40%.....

...so why would selling Delaware change all that? I can hear him now...

Trump said:
"It's the worst State EVER. For years and years they've been taking advantage of us with their tax avoidance schemes and their offshore corporations, taking away jobs from Americans, while benefitting from our Military and our social services, and our Aid. well I say no more!! many many people have told me that Delaware is corrupt and has been abusing our good nature and yet contributing nothing, NOTHING to our great Country. many many Presidents have told me they'd wish they had thought of doing this but nobody knows as much as me about selling Real Estate for a GREAT price.......
You may have noticed he uses the same fking speech for everything. He's figured out if his supporters will swallow bullst when it's dressed up like this he can use it for pretty much anything.....


Completely O/T - I'm beginning to suspect that a sizeable chunk of the "flinty-eyed Montana Militia types" would genuinely prefer to see the Federal US significantly weakened, if not completely emasculated. They hate "Big Government". And Trump is doing an excellent job of hobbling "Big Govt."


Eric Mc

109,215 posts

215 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Only beginning to realise that?

A fundamental thread that runs through the history of the US from its foundation was a resentment of control from a "distant" authority. The initial problem was King George but subsequently that resentment transferred to Washington DC.

There is an anarchic streak in American politics and in the way people vote that would lead some people to prefer if Washington DC just disappeared down some big sink hole..

Countdown

25,456 posts

146 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Eric Mc said:
Only beginning to realise that?

A fundamental thread that runs through the history of the US from its foundation was a resentment of control from a "distant" authority. The initial problem was King George but subsequently that resentment transferred to Washington DC.

There is an anarchic streak in American politics and in the way people vote that would lead some people to prefer if Washington DC just disappeared down some big sink hole..
That's something that irks me constantly - people want the benefits of "BIG GOVERNMENT" as long as "BIG GOVT" only regulates others and lets them do whatever the hell they want.

I would bet good money that it's those that "resent distant authority" that also want "distant authority" to build a Wall and keep out those pesky foreigners. They don't see anything ironic or contradictory in wanting the freedoms to do what THEY please but stopping others from having the freedom to do what THEY please.

Eric Mc

109,215 posts

215 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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SOME Americans (the fabled 40% you mention, perhaps).

In the UK, when something goes wrong, we tend to say, "What's the government going to do about it?"

In the US, a sizeable chunk of the population will say, "Keep the government out of it".
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