45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

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Byker28i

15,737 posts

155 months

Monday 11th February
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This is a really interesting detailed report based on the court transcripts of the implications of Manafort taking polling data to the russians. It implies that his lawyers leaked the story to the NY Times to minimise the impact, claiming it was public data (when it wasn't).
It the trial Manaforts lawyers then then wildly shifted, arguing that the data was so detailed it would be meaningless

https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/02/09/paul-manafor...

...as Weissmann lays out, not only had Kilimnik worked for Manafort (and therefore with this pollster, Fabrizio) for many years — so would know how to read the data — Manafort walked him through the data at the August 2 meeting.


Byker28i

15,737 posts

155 months

Monday 11th February
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Meanwhile the NY Times have an article analysing the transcript from Thursday and have picked out a snippet

... while Russia was taking steps to bolster Mr. Trump’s candidacy, people in his orbit were discussing deals to end a dispute over Russia’s incursions into Ukraine and possibly give Moscow relief from economic sanctions imposed by the United States and its allies.

... prosecutors have been keenly focused on discussions the two men had about a plan to end the conflict that followed Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea in 2014. Persuading the United States to ease or end the American-led sanctions imposed to punish Moscow for its aggression has been a primary goal of Russian foreign policy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/10/us/politics/man...

Byker28i

15,737 posts

155 months

Monday 11th February
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Byker28i said:
The Daily Beast are saying it was the brother of Bezos lover that handed over the texts

The brother of Jeff Bezos’ mistress, Lauren Sanchez, supplied the couple’s racy texts to the National Enquirer, multiple sources inside AMI, the tabloid’s parent company, told The Daily Beast.

Another source who has been in extensive communication with senior leaders at AMI confirmed that Michael Sanchez first supplied Bezos’ texts to the Enquirer.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mistress-lauren-sanc...


How does a brother get hold of a phone and dump off any salacious texts and pictures?
Ah hang on...
“Hey Alexa, tell Jeff Bezos not to bother with any Valentines Day gifts and to just get over here and give some loving.”

“Now delivering pictures of loving to brother in time for Valentines Day.”

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dodgyviper

1,145 posts

176 months

Monday 11th February
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Byker28i said:
Ah hang on...
“Hey Alexa, tell Jeff Bezos not to bother with any Valentines Day gifts and to just get over here and give some loving.”

“Now delivering pictures of loving to brother in time for Valentines Day.”

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That's good, have a rofl

Byker28i

15,737 posts

155 months

Monday 11th February
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Over the weekend people have been picking apart Whitakers non commital refusal to answer much at the hearing.

One thing popped out.
Veronica Escobar asked Whitaker: “Did you ever create, direct the creation of, see, or become aware of the existence of any documents relating to pardoning of any individual?” Whitaker, after looking down and after a pregnant pause, responded, “I’m aware of documents relating to pardoning of individuals, yes.”

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4779161/veronica-es...

Whitaker became Acting Attorney General in November 2018, while the last pardon issued by “President” Donald Trump was in July 2018, so trump has prepared or was about to issue pardons but didn't?
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Byker28i

15,737 posts

155 months

Monday 11th February
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CBS’s hit comedy, The Big Bang Theory is coming to the end of its 12th and final season. In the past, the show has used its closing credits for commentary on news and current events.

Thursday night’s credit card read, “God told me he hasn’t spoken to Sarah Sanders since she was fourteen years old and praying for her skin to clear up. I have no reason to doubt Him.”

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esxste

1,480 posts

44 months

Monday 11th February
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Byker28i said:
Axios have more of trumps schedules, despite the White House hunt for the leaker.
It shows again trump mostly spends his time as 'executive time' and lunching
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5733531-Ax...


trump thinks that watch Fox and Friends and Tweeting racist remarks counts as working

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

The media was able to get my work schedule, something very easy to do, but it should have been reported as a positive, not negative. When the term Executive Time is used, I am generally working, not relaxing. In fact, I probably work more hours than almost any past President.....

10:27 AM - 10 Feb 2019

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 11th February 07:59
He might be working. Just not at his POTUS role... more at his old job... those deals don't make themselves you know.

arfursleep

422 posts

42 months

Monday 11th February
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Trump tweet yesterday

"Today Elizabeth Warren, sometimes referred to by me as Pocahontas, joined the race for President. Will she run as our first Native American presidential candidate, or has she decided that after 32 years, this is not playing so well anymore? See you on the campaign TRAIL, Liz!"

The "TRAIL" has been seen by many as a reference to the "Trail of Tears" in which Native Americans were forcibly moved from their homes in south US to reservations in Oklahoma in the 1800s, hundreds died during the journey.

A Fox News anchor has argued that it wasn't an intentional reference as Trump's knowledge of US history isn't good enough! When your defence is that the President doesn't know American history (and/or hasn't checked) then you're reaching.

Of course, Trump is infamous for randomly capitalising letters and words in tweets so he can get away with the dog whistle to the Far Right from that angle too.


Byker28i

15,737 posts

155 months

Monday 11th February
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yup - posted yesterday about 8am wink

Donald Jnr responded with "Savage" - then deleted the tweet later.
It still won't make daddy love him though

Edit - even saved it proudly on his instagram
https://www.instagram.com/p/Btrg-_ylPHZ/

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 11th February 11:25

Lazermilk

1,514 posts

19 months

Monday 11th February
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Byker28i said:
yup - posted yesterday about 8am wink

Donald Jnr responded with "Savage" - then deleted the tweet later.
It still won't make daddy love him though
hehe

Will they have access to Twitter once they are in prison?

Tallow

1,049 posts

99 months

Monday 11th February
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Byker28i said:
More on how the GOP tax cut changes are hurting people refunds
Early filers have been taking to social media to express their ire at finding that their refunds were a fraction of what they anticipated or — worse yet — that they would owe an unexpected bill to the IRS.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/taxes/tax-code-ch...

Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 9th February 17:29
It's happening pretty widely. My OH did her taxes at the weekend with her accountant. Last year: $6k rebate. This year: $120. She's unimpressed, to say the least.

I think this is much more likely to cost Trump votes than the corruption, misogyny, or Russian involvement. Only a relatively small amount of people will have done their taxes yet. When this increases, we could see a great deal more consternation.


Challo

4,528 posts

93 months

Monday 11th February
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Tallow said:
Byker28i said:
More on how the GOP tax cut changes are hurting people refunds
Early filers have been taking to social media to express their ire at finding that their refunds were a fraction of what they anticipated or — worse yet — that they would owe an unexpected bill to the IRS.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/taxes/tax-code-ch...

Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 9th February 17:29
It's happening pretty widely. My OH did her taxes at the weekend with her accountant. Last year: $6k rebate. This year: $120. She's unimpressed, to say the least.

I think this is much more likely to cost Trump votes than the corruption, misogyny, or Russian involvement. Only a relatively small amount of people will have done their taxes yet. When this increases, we could see a great deal more consternation.
For someone that is ignorant on US Tax laws, what has changed to limit the refund?

captain_cynic

4,095 posts

33 months

Monday 11th February
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Tallow said:
Byker28i said:
More on how the GOP tax cut changes are hurting people refunds
Early filers have been taking to social media to express their ire at finding that their refunds were a fraction of what they anticipated or — worse yet — that they would owe an unexpected bill to the IRS.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/taxes/tax-code-ch...

Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 9th February 17:29
It's happening pretty widely. My OH did her taxes at the weekend with her accountant. Last year: $6k rebate. This year: $120. She's unimpressed, to say the least.

I think this is much more likely to cost Trump votes than the corruption, misogyny, or Russian involvement. Only a relatively small amount of people will have done their taxes yet. When this increases, we could see a great deal more consternation.
Yep, I've said this before, forget stupidity, bigotry, corruption, even treason... The fastest way out of office is to hit everyone's hip pocket.

arfursleep

422 posts

42 months

Monday 11th February
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Byker28i said:
yup - posted yesterday about 8am wink

Donald Jnr responded with "Savage" - then deleted the tweet later.
It still won't make daddy love him though

Edit - even saved it proudly on his instagram
https://www.instagram.com/p/Btrg-_ylPHZ/

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 11th February 11:25
ah, hadn't seen that.

Didn't know Jnr had retweeted with 'savage' - not even trying to hide their contempt are they (yes, i'm well aware of the intended meaning of the word but there's also a strong link to the native americans)? Wonder why he deleted it - assume somebody said that's a little too openly racist?

Tallow

1,049 posts

99 months

Monday 11th February
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Challo said:
For someone that is ignorant on US Tax laws, what has changed to limit the refund?
In the US, individuals generally pay their taxes a little like the UK does with PAYE (i.e. they're paying it as they go). Then at the end of the year everyone completes a tax return (a bit like Self Assessment) in which they can declare income and expenditure to the IRS. From this, there were historically loads of different deducations that could be made (e.g. mortgage relief, charitable donations relief, etc).

The list of exemptions was seemingly increased gradually over time (presumably based upon whoever was in power at the time) so that there was a pretty long list of things people could tax relief on. The current administration decided that this system was cumbersome and made no sense (and in some senses they're not wrong on that one). Instead, people should pay less tax and there should be less things that can be deducted from your income.

What that has meant in practice is that people generally got a modest payrise from the tax cut (typically most people might have seen $50-200 a month if they're in the middle income bracket), but then they can't deduct as much at the end of the year.

The deductions were very popular with people as it was a nice year end windfall that they could use for big purchases.

I must confess not to being a huge expert in this area - as I own a company I am taxed differently - but it would appear that people that are on the upper end of the middle income tax bracket (that is $75-200k pa) will probably be hit particularly hard as they are more likely to have expenditure elements that would have been otherwise deductible (e.g. car and house purchases etc), plus they are of course generally liable for more tax anyway.

I'm sure that someone on here that is employed in the more traditional manner would probably give a more coherent answer, but I've heard a good few people expressing real concern that when they do their tax return it's going to be disapointing for them.

Byker28i

15,737 posts

155 months

Monday 11th February
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esxste said:
He might be working. Just not at his POTUS role... more at his old job... those deals don't make themselves you know.
Today, two minutes after Trump tweets a quote from Fox News, he tweets (again) that no president has ever worked harder.
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Byker28i

15,737 posts

155 months

Monday 11th February
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Tallow said:
It's happening pretty widely. My OH did her taxes at the weekend with her accountant. Last year: $6k rebate. This year: $120. She's unimpressed, to say the least.

I think this is much more likely to cost Trump votes than the corruption, misogyny, or Russian involvement. Only a relatively small amount of people will have done their taxes yet. When this increases, we could see a great deal more consternation.
Check out #GOPTaxScam on twitter. People are venting
https://twitter.com/hashtag/GOPTaxScam?src=hash


Edit:
Still it's been great for the banks
Major U.S. banks shaved about $21 billion from their tax bills last year -- almost double the IRS’s annual budget -- as the industry benefited more than many others from the Republican tax overhaul.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-06...

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 11th February 14:08

Byker28i

15,737 posts

155 months

Monday 11th February
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
The Democrats are so self righteous and ANGRY! Loosen up and have some fun. The Country is doing well!

6:19 AM - 11 Feb 2019


So - no need for a wall then? biggrin

CSLM3CSL

115 posts

81 months

Monday 11th February
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Tallow said:
Challo said:
For someone that is ignorant on US Tax laws, what has changed to limit the refund?
In the US, individuals generally pay their taxes a little like the UK does with PAYE (i.e. they're paying it as they go). Then at the end of the year everyone completes a tax return (a bit like Self Assessment) in which they can declare income and expenditure to the IRS. From this, there were historically loads of different deducations that could be made (e.g. mortgage relief, charitable donations relief, etc).

The list of exemptions was seemingly increased gradually over time (presumably based upon whoever was in power at the time) so that there was a pretty long list of things people could tax relief on. The current administration decided that this system was cumbersome and made no sense (and in some senses they're not wrong on that one). Instead, people should pay less tax and there should be less things that can be deducted from your income.

What that has meant in practice is that people generally got a modest payrise from the tax cut (typically most people might have seen $50-200 a month if they're in the middle income bracket), but then they can't deduct as much at the end of the year.

The deductions were very popular with people as it was a nice year end windfall that they could use for big purchases.

I must confess not to being a huge expert in this area - as I own a company I am taxed differently - but it would appear that people that are on the upper end of the middle income tax bracket (that is $75-200k pa) will probably be hit particularly hard as they are more likely to have expenditure elements that would have been otherwise deductible (e.g. car and house purchases etc), plus they are of course generally liable for more tax anyway.

I'm sure that someone on here that is employed in the more traditional manner would probably give a more coherent answer, but I've heard a good few people expressing real concern that when they do their tax return it's going to be disapointing for them.
As an outsider, Trumps tax reforms look pretty good to me. A lower rate of tax with less deductions makes alot of sense. For example the deduction in mortgage interest encourages people to have a high level of debt, it bids up the cost of house prices. Why should the rich get a deduction on mortgage interest when the poor pay their rent after tax?

esxste

1,480 posts

44 months

Monday 11th February
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CSLM3CSL said:
As an outsider, Trumps tax reforms look pretty good to me. A lower rate of tax with less deductions makes alot of sense. For example the deduction in mortgage interest encourages people to have a high level of debt, it bids up the cost of house prices. Why should the rich get a deduction on mortgage interest when the poor pay their rent after tax?
I'm no expert either, but pretty sure the major criticisms at the time were that the changes would primarily benefit the very wealthy.

Basically, rather than just the poor being screwed by the tax system, the middle classes are too.

It'll trickle down.

Is trickle an appropriate word to use in a post about Trump?