45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)
Discussion
Eric Mc said:
You were a copper. Coppers tend to meet the worst of every profession. It's in the nature of the job.
I'm sure the accountants, solicitors, priests, vicars and politicians policemen tend to deal with are not shining lights in their professions either.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'worst'. Coppers meet victims. One of the first things you get to learn as a copper is that there is little that is binary. I doubt that all prostitutes lose their dignity. They are, as I said, probably victims themselves. This does not make them 'worst'. I'm sure the accountants, solicitors, priests, vicars and politicians policemen tend to deal with are not shining lights in their professions either.
You seem quite happy to suggest that other professions are a mixed bunch. The same goes for prostitutes. I've chatted to a couple who were, by anyone's classification, posh ones in that their customers had a bit of money. They were in a 'spare' room of an expensive hotel. They dressed expensively, spoke well, and wanted out.
I'm not sure I would class many of the prostitutes I've spoken with as the worst of the bunch, even considering non criminals, that I had to deal with as a copper.
As another poster said, coppers meet a range of people, from those most people would ignore to those at the top of society. Talk to them and there's often very little difference. It is the same with criminals. Those who steal money from their employer are all but identical whether it is an assistant in a high street shop or someone on the high floors of skyscrapers in the City.
I've had my opinions changed by those I've met. A highly moral money lender got me all confused. I've also had dealings with people who have remained dignified under the most trying of circumstances.
Being a prostitute is much more likely to mean that they are victims than the rather harsh 'given up their dignity'.
andy_s said:
skwdenyer said:
Fresh from his diplomatic success with NK, I see Trump has decided to sort out the Golan Heights dispute between Israel and Syria by declaring them Israeli...
Ego is the anaesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity, as someone once said.Very applicable to Trump.
America hits debt ceiling, treasury reckons it's got enough money to last until September: https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-debt-ceiling-why-it...
I do enjoy a good row about the debt ceiling because it's pure politics that has only a tangential relationship to economics, usually resulting in statements that make you wonder how politicians manage the basics of having their own current account (checking account if you're American). The debt ceiling will get raised because the consequences of not doing so are too severe for any politician to want to have on their head but not before the political shenanigans.
I'm really hoping the democrats are smart enough to not make this upcoming fight about the wall, it's a red herring which provided it has sufficient environmental safeguards is of little consequence to anyone but more importantly it turns the entire economic debate in to a debate on immigration, which is not only dumb from a political standpoint but it falls in to the same trap you see on forums all the time, people expending so much energy on debunking the resident nutcase that they end up engaging on the nutcase's terms.
What the dems need to do is say they'll raise the debt ceiling so long as Trump agrees to bring deficit reduction in to line with other OECD countries and then make press releases consisting entirely of trump talking about how he's going to reduce the debt alongside statements about how he's mortgaging the children of America to give tax cuts to the rich. Bonus points if they can introduce the phrase fiscal democrat in to popular usage because Odin knows the phrase fiscal conservative had no grounding in reality either.
The point here is that Trump has a fundamental weakness for debt, therefore if we're going to have a debate about the debt ceiling then why not engage on ground where Trump is weak, ie the actual debt that the ceiling is meant to be about?
There's a real point here about the fact that the market for American debt is saturated so each time the debt goes up it is China* who buys that extra debt which they then recycle in to neighboring countries through the belt and road initiative, it also allows China to use their reserves to borrow American trustworthiness because no matter how much you might distrust the Chinese banking system they have trillions of dollars of American debt in reserve and people trust those dollars. Also cycling their surplus to America allows Americans to buy lots of Chinese products, which isn't doing the trade deficit any good.
In terms of a trade war with China the worst thing we can possibly do is to keep selling vast quantities of American debt to China. It is the equivalent of telling the world that you don't want anyone using Huawei products and then loaning Huawei billions of dollars to aid their expansion... did I say equivalent? What I mean... this is exactly what Trump is doing. (Mechanism - On the surface China is loaning America money but money is a promise to pay, therefore the transaction when China buys American debt is that America gets to spend now (possibly on Chinese products) and China gets to own the American promise to pay. This promise can be leveraged and for banking purposes is as good as having the dollars in your hands.)
To go back to my earlier analogy of dealing with the local forum nutcase. The temptation to debunk an idiot is high because when you see someone post something idiotic it seems certain that you can win the argument, the result of which is that you spend time operating at the idiot's level. The moment you try and debunk it is easily overwhelmed by a stream of lies, bad assumptions and goalpost moving because the golden rule is this, it takes an order of magnitude more effort to debunk bullsh!t than to produce it. In the social media sphere that means that it takes an order of magnitude more people to be talking sense than people spreading lies to actually end up with the idiot's argument being debunked. Add a few bots and that becomes a very difficult balance to achieve.
The simple answer is to always engage on your own ground and that has been one of the basic principles of the internet since BBS boards and usenet. There's examples of me doing it on these threads where I don't interact with idiotic comments but then make an effort to reach out to a not Trump supporter with questions that have nothing to do with their agenda. Have to say I never thought it about it much until is saw this playlist on you tube.
Exactly the same principles apply with Trump. Expending effort to keep up with the lies is effort you could have been spending saying here's a piece of reality, look at this piece of reality, very solid isn't it? The reality of the situation with Trump is that he has swapped tax revenue for deficit spending and enabled the hatchet men to cut what they can from the state while still increasing spending. That's the reality of what he's doing so questions should be asked about how he's cutting state while increasing spending, how does borrowing huge loans from China that they can leverage as if we were giving them loans fit in with his trade plans, what are the future revenue streams that will make it worth running up large quantities of external debt?
This is the high ground, not stupid arguments about a wall. The dems need to play the upcoming debt ceiling argument much smarter than they did the shutdown, not because I have any particular liking for the dems (I don't) but because I do have an attraction to competence and fact based arguments. Relying on the democratic party for this is probably hoping for too much but the republicans are making Alice in wonderland look like a documentary so please can we remember that facts never go out of fashion because the people who don't wear them always end up looking silly in the long run.
*(Japan also buy up excess American debt to keep Americans consuming their products but they cycle most of their dollars to India and *bias warning* I quite like India and Japan so don't worry in the slightest about that particular part of America's debt cycle.)
I do enjoy a good row about the debt ceiling because it's pure politics that has only a tangential relationship to economics, usually resulting in statements that make you wonder how politicians manage the basics of having their own current account (checking account if you're American). The debt ceiling will get raised because the consequences of not doing so are too severe for any politician to want to have on their head but not before the political shenanigans.
I'm really hoping the democrats are smart enough to not make this upcoming fight about the wall, it's a red herring which provided it has sufficient environmental safeguards is of little consequence to anyone but more importantly it turns the entire economic debate in to a debate on immigration, which is not only dumb from a political standpoint but it falls in to the same trap you see on forums all the time, people expending so much energy on debunking the resident nutcase that they end up engaging on the nutcase's terms.
What the dems need to do is say they'll raise the debt ceiling so long as Trump agrees to bring deficit reduction in to line with other OECD countries and then make press releases consisting entirely of trump talking about how he's going to reduce the debt alongside statements about how he's mortgaging the children of America to give tax cuts to the rich. Bonus points if they can introduce the phrase fiscal democrat in to popular usage because Odin knows the phrase fiscal conservative had no grounding in reality either.
The point here is that Trump has a fundamental weakness for debt, therefore if we're going to have a debate about the debt ceiling then why not engage on ground where Trump is weak, ie the actual debt that the ceiling is meant to be about?
There's a real point here about the fact that the market for American debt is saturated so each time the debt goes up it is China* who buys that extra debt which they then recycle in to neighboring countries through the belt and road initiative, it also allows China to use their reserves to borrow American trustworthiness because no matter how much you might distrust the Chinese banking system they have trillions of dollars of American debt in reserve and people trust those dollars. Also cycling their surplus to America allows Americans to buy lots of Chinese products, which isn't doing the trade deficit any good.
In terms of a trade war with China the worst thing we can possibly do is to keep selling vast quantities of American debt to China. It is the equivalent of telling the world that you don't want anyone using Huawei products and then loaning Huawei billions of dollars to aid their expansion... did I say equivalent? What I mean... this is exactly what Trump is doing. (Mechanism - On the surface China is loaning America money but money is a promise to pay, therefore the transaction when China buys American debt is that America gets to spend now (possibly on Chinese products) and China gets to own the American promise to pay. This promise can be leveraged and for banking purposes is as good as having the dollars in your hands.)
To go back to my earlier analogy of dealing with the local forum nutcase. The temptation to debunk an idiot is high because when you see someone post something idiotic it seems certain that you can win the argument, the result of which is that you spend time operating at the idiot's level. The moment you try and debunk it is easily overwhelmed by a stream of lies, bad assumptions and goalpost moving because the golden rule is this, it takes an order of magnitude more effort to debunk bullsh!t than to produce it. In the social media sphere that means that it takes an order of magnitude more people to be talking sense than people spreading lies to actually end up with the idiot's argument being debunked. Add a few bots and that becomes a very difficult balance to achieve.
The simple answer is to always engage on your own ground and that has been one of the basic principles of the internet since BBS boards and usenet. There's examples of me doing it on these threads where I don't interact with idiotic comments but then make an effort to reach out to a not Trump supporter with questions that have nothing to do with their agenda. Have to say I never thought it about it much until is saw this playlist on you tube.
Exactly the same principles apply with Trump. Expending effort to keep up with the lies is effort you could have been spending saying here's a piece of reality, look at this piece of reality, very solid isn't it? The reality of the situation with Trump is that he has swapped tax revenue for deficit spending and enabled the hatchet men to cut what they can from the state while still increasing spending. That's the reality of what he's doing so questions should be asked about how he's cutting state while increasing spending, how does borrowing huge loans from China that they can leverage as if we were giving them loans fit in with his trade plans, what are the future revenue streams that will make it worth running up large quantities of external debt?
This is the high ground, not stupid arguments about a wall. The dems need to play the upcoming debt ceiling argument much smarter than they did the shutdown, not because I have any particular liking for the dems (I don't) but because I do have an attraction to competence and fact based arguments. Relying on the democratic party for this is probably hoping for too much but the republicans are making Alice in wonderland look like a documentary so please can we remember that facts never go out of fashion because the people who don't wear them always end up looking silly in the long run.
*(Japan also buy up excess American debt to keep Americans consuming their products but they cycle most of their dollars to India and *bias warning* I quite like India and Japan so don't worry in the slightest about that particular part of America's debt cycle.)
A florida man has plead guilty in pipe bomb mailings that targeted CNN and Trump critics before midterm elections
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2Ne5G0X4AA3CpJ.jpg
Another who mentioned trump as a reason
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2Ne5G0X4AA3CpJ.jpg
Another who mentioned trump as a reason
Chairmen Cummings, Engel, and Schiff have responded to the White House rejecting their request for Trump-Putin communications: "President Trump's decision to break with this precedent raises the question of what he has to hide."
Eric Swalwell said about Hope Hicks: "She also told me when I interviewed her that she had told lies for the president, and when I asked her what she had lied about, she refused to testify. And then the Republicans did not force her to actually give us an answer."
Eric Swalwell said about Hope Hicks: "She also told me when I interviewed her that she had told lies for the president, and when I asked her what she had lied about, she refused to testify. And then the Republicans did not force her to actually give us an answer."
There's long been a rumour that Assange has been charged by the DOJ in his absence.
Yesterday, Jake Sherman of Politico tweeted tracking info “someone flew the DOJ G5 from DC to London Tuesday.”
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/11087921542...
Ken Dilanian of NBC News then added that “It actually took off from Manassas, which is where the FBI stations folks who go overseas to grab fugitives.”
Very shortly afterwards, Wikileaks tweeted: “A rarely seen US Department of Justice jet “N996GA” flew to London on Tuesday and has not been recorded as leaving.” It then added “The plane was noted rendering alleged Russian hacker Yevgeniy Nikulin, to the US, from the Czech republic last year.”
Did the US fly to London to grab Assange, done a deal with Ecuador to hand him over?
Yesterday, Jake Sherman of Politico tweeted tracking info “someone flew the DOJ G5 from DC to London Tuesday.”
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/11087921542...
Ken Dilanian of NBC News then added that “It actually took off from Manassas, which is where the FBI stations folks who go overseas to grab fugitives.”
Very shortly afterwards, Wikileaks tweeted: “A rarely seen US Department of Justice jet “N996GA” flew to London on Tuesday and has not been recorded as leaving.” It then added “The plane was noted rendering alleged Russian hacker Yevgeniy Nikulin, to the US, from the Czech republic last year.”
Did the US fly to London to grab Assange, done a deal with Ecuador to hand him over?
Swamp News
Forbes has started investigation how much money trump is shifting from 2020 campaign funds into his pocket. They've found $1.3m so far
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/03/...
Forbes has started investigation how much money trump is shifting from 2020 campaign funds into his pocket. They've found $1.3m so far
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/03/...
Cummings is now asking questions about Kushers use of Whatsapp.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/21/elijah-c...
Elijah Cummings is citing a meeting that he had with Kushner attorney Abbe Lowell back in December, but he claimed he didn’t know whether or not Kushner was transmitting classified information via WhatsApp
This raises the question of whether this practice violates federal record keeping laws. Kushner claims he screen-shots all of his WhatsApp messages and submits them for collection, but it's almost certain he doesn't include all of them, especially the ones with Saudi leaders.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/0...
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/21/elijah-c...
Elijah Cummings is citing a meeting that he had with Kushner attorney Abbe Lowell back in December, but he claimed he didn’t know whether or not Kushner was transmitting classified information via WhatsApp
This raises the question of whether this practice violates federal record keeping laws. Kushner claims he screen-shots all of his WhatsApp messages and submits them for collection, but it's almost certain he doesn't include all of them, especially the ones with Saudi leaders.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/0...
Byker28i said:
Swamp News
Forbes has started investigation how much money trump is shifting from 2020 campaign funds into his pocket. They've found $1.3m so far
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/03/...
Isn't just this one thing an impeachable offence?Forbes has started investigation how much money trump is shifting from 2020 campaign funds into his pocket. They've found $1.3m so far
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/03/...
The tangerine baboon is not going to like this;
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/opinion/new-zea...
Just reinforces the fact that Trump is an unhealed canker sore on the arse tube of humanity.
Labradorofperception said:
The tangerine baboon is not going to like this;
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/opinion/new-zea...
Just reinforces the fact that Trump is an unhealed canker sore on the arse tube of humanity.
Presumably NZ doesn't have an NRA driving Govt agendas. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/opinion/new-zea...
Just reinforces the fact that Trump is an unhealed canker sore on the arse tube of humanity.
Tartan Pixie said:
America hits debt ceiling, treasury reckons it's got enough money to last until September: https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-debt-ceiling-why-it...
That's a sobering read. A single trillion is a number that's tough to get your head round. The fact that US debt was $18tn in 2015, $20tn in 2017 and now $22tn in 2019 (a) does not generate much confidence in their fiscal skills and (b) underlines the utterly farcical nature of global economics. Tartan Pixie said:
America hits debt ceiling, treasury reckons it's got enough money to last until September: https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-debt-ceiling-why-it...
I do enjoy a good row about the debt ceiling because it's pure politics that has only a tangential relationship to economics, usually resulting in statements that make you wonder how politicians manage the basics of having their own current account (checking account if you're American). The debt ceiling will get raised because the consequences of not doing so are too severe for any politician to want to have on their head but not before the political shenanigans.
I'm really hoping the democrats are smart enough to not make this upcoming fight about the wall, it's a red herring which provided it has sufficient environmental safeguards is of little consequence to anyone but more importantly it turns the entire economic debate in to a debate on immigration, which is not only dumb from a political standpoint but it falls in to the same trap you see on forums all the time, people expending so much energy on debunking the resident nutcase that they end up engaging on the nutcase's terms.
What the dems need to do is say they'll raise the debt ceiling so long as Trump agrees to bring deficit reduction in to line with other OECD countries and then make press releases consisting entirely of trump talking about how he's going to reduce the debt alongside statements about how he's mortgaging the children of America to give tax cuts to the rich. Bonus points if they can introduce the phrase fiscal democrat in to popular usage because Odin knows the phrase fiscal conservative had no grounding in reality either.
The point here is that Trump has a fundamental weakness for debt, therefore if we're going to have a debate about the debt ceiling then why not engage on ground where Trump is weak, ie the actual debt that the ceiling is meant to be about?
There's a real point here about the fact that the market for American debt is saturated so each time the debt goes up it is China* who buys that extra debt which they then recycle in to neighboring countries through the belt and road initiative, it also allows China to use their reserves to borrow American trustworthiness because no matter how much you might distrust the Chinese banking system they have trillions of dollars of American debt in reserve and people trust those dollars. Also cycling their surplus to America allows Americans to buy lots of Chinese products, which isn't doing the trade deficit any good.
In terms of a trade war with China the worst thing we can possibly do is to keep selling vast quantities of American debt to China. It is the equivalent of telling the world that you don't want anyone using Huawei products and then loaning Huawei billions of dollars to aid their expansion... did I say equivalent? What I mean... this is exactly what Trump is doing. (Mechanism - On the surface China is loaning America money but money is a promise to pay, therefore the transaction when China buys American debt is that America gets to spend now (possibly on Chinese products) and China gets to own the American promise to pay. This promise can be leveraged and for banking purposes is as good as having the dollars in your hands.)
To go back to my earlier analogy of dealing with the local forum nutcase. The temptation to debunk an idiot is high because when you see someone post something idiotic it seems certain that you can win the argument, the result of which is that you spend time operating at the idiot's level. The moment you try and debunk it is easily overwhelmed by a stream of lies, bad assumptions and goalpost moving because the golden rule is this, it takes an order of magnitude more effort to debunk bullsh!t than to produce it. In the social media sphere that means that it takes an order of magnitude more people to be talking sense than people spreading lies to actually end up with the idiot's argument being debunked. Add a few bots and that becomes a very difficult balance to achieve.
The simple answer is to always engage on your own ground and that has been one of the basic principles of the internet since BBS boards and usenet. There's examples of me doing it on these threads where I don't interact with idiotic comments but then make an effort to reach out to a not Trump supporter with questions that have nothing to do with their agenda. Have to say I never thought it about it much until is saw this playlist on you tube.
Exactly the same principles apply with Trump. Expending effort to keep up with the lies is effort you could have been spending saying here's a piece of reality, look at this piece of reality, very solid isn't it? The reality of the situation with Trump is that he has swapped tax revenue for deficit spending and enabled the hatchet men to cut what they can from the state while still increasing spending. That's the reality of what he's doing so questions should be asked about how he's cutting state while increasing spending, how does borrowing huge loans from China that they can leverage as if we were giving them loans fit in with his trade plans, what are the future revenue streams that will make it worth running up large quantities of external debt?
This is the high ground, not stupid arguments about a wall. The dems need to play the upcoming debt ceiling argument much smarter than they did the shutdown, not because I have any particular liking for the dems (I don't) but because I do have an attraction to competence and fact based arguments. Relying on the democratic party for this is probably hoping for too much but the republicans are making Alice in wonderland look like a documentary so please can we remember that facts never go out of fashion because the people who don't wear them always end up looking silly in the long run.
*(Japan also buy up excess American debt to keep Americans consuming their products but they cycle most of their dollars to India and *bias warning* I quite like India and Japan so don't worry in the slightest about that particular part of America's debt cycle.)
The problem with your long winded argument ( which is good if you had a sensible POTUS) is that it relies on having a sensible POTUS. I do enjoy a good row about the debt ceiling because it's pure politics that has only a tangential relationship to economics, usually resulting in statements that make you wonder how politicians manage the basics of having their own current account (checking account if you're American). The debt ceiling will get raised because the consequences of not doing so are too severe for any politician to want to have on their head but not before the political shenanigans.
I'm really hoping the democrats are smart enough to not make this upcoming fight about the wall, it's a red herring which provided it has sufficient environmental safeguards is of little consequence to anyone but more importantly it turns the entire economic debate in to a debate on immigration, which is not only dumb from a political standpoint but it falls in to the same trap you see on forums all the time, people expending so much energy on debunking the resident nutcase that they end up engaging on the nutcase's terms.
What the dems need to do is say they'll raise the debt ceiling so long as Trump agrees to bring deficit reduction in to line with other OECD countries and then make press releases consisting entirely of trump talking about how he's going to reduce the debt alongside statements about how he's mortgaging the children of America to give tax cuts to the rich. Bonus points if they can introduce the phrase fiscal democrat in to popular usage because Odin knows the phrase fiscal conservative had no grounding in reality either.
The point here is that Trump has a fundamental weakness for debt, therefore if we're going to have a debate about the debt ceiling then why not engage on ground where Trump is weak, ie the actual debt that the ceiling is meant to be about?
There's a real point here about the fact that the market for American debt is saturated so each time the debt goes up it is China* who buys that extra debt which they then recycle in to neighboring countries through the belt and road initiative, it also allows China to use their reserves to borrow American trustworthiness because no matter how much you might distrust the Chinese banking system they have trillions of dollars of American debt in reserve and people trust those dollars. Also cycling their surplus to America allows Americans to buy lots of Chinese products, which isn't doing the trade deficit any good.
In terms of a trade war with China the worst thing we can possibly do is to keep selling vast quantities of American debt to China. It is the equivalent of telling the world that you don't want anyone using Huawei products and then loaning Huawei billions of dollars to aid their expansion... did I say equivalent? What I mean... this is exactly what Trump is doing. (Mechanism - On the surface China is loaning America money but money is a promise to pay, therefore the transaction when China buys American debt is that America gets to spend now (possibly on Chinese products) and China gets to own the American promise to pay. This promise can be leveraged and for banking purposes is as good as having the dollars in your hands.)
To go back to my earlier analogy of dealing with the local forum nutcase. The temptation to debunk an idiot is high because when you see someone post something idiotic it seems certain that you can win the argument, the result of which is that you spend time operating at the idiot's level. The moment you try and debunk it is easily overwhelmed by a stream of lies, bad assumptions and goalpost moving because the golden rule is this, it takes an order of magnitude more effort to debunk bullsh!t than to produce it. In the social media sphere that means that it takes an order of magnitude more people to be talking sense than people spreading lies to actually end up with the idiot's argument being debunked. Add a few bots and that becomes a very difficult balance to achieve.
The simple answer is to always engage on your own ground and that has been one of the basic principles of the internet since BBS boards and usenet. There's examples of me doing it on these threads where I don't interact with idiotic comments but then make an effort to reach out to a not Trump supporter with questions that have nothing to do with their agenda. Have to say I never thought it about it much until is saw this playlist on you tube.
Exactly the same principles apply with Trump. Expending effort to keep up with the lies is effort you could have been spending saying here's a piece of reality, look at this piece of reality, very solid isn't it? The reality of the situation with Trump is that he has swapped tax revenue for deficit spending and enabled the hatchet men to cut what they can from the state while still increasing spending. That's the reality of what he's doing so questions should be asked about how he's cutting state while increasing spending, how does borrowing huge loans from China that they can leverage as if we were giving them loans fit in with his trade plans, what are the future revenue streams that will make it worth running up large quantities of external debt?
This is the high ground, not stupid arguments about a wall. The dems need to play the upcoming debt ceiling argument much smarter than they did the shutdown, not because I have any particular liking for the dems (I don't) but because I do have an attraction to competence and fact based arguments. Relying on the democratic party for this is probably hoping for too much but the republicans are making Alice in wonderland look like a documentary so please can we remember that facts never go out of fashion because the people who don't wear them always end up looking silly in the long run.
*(Japan also buy up excess American debt to keep Americans consuming their products but they cycle most of their dollars to India and *bias warning* I quite like India and Japan so don't worry in the slightest about that particular part of America's debt cycle.)
You don't, at least in regard to the debt ceiling.
Let me point you back to a campaign pledge by Trump ==>
"We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt. ... Well, I would say over a period of eight years. And I’ll tell you why.”
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/...
Note that is not reducing the deficit, a herculean task in itself, but getting rid of all the debt ! How's he doing so far?
He just said that about the debt to get the right wing on board. No, what he actually cares about is making rules to make his Trump empire stronger whilst he is doing this government job. Hence why he cut corporation tax by so much.
He's thinking ahead to either 2020 or 2024 for returning to his Trump pirate ship which will be laden with gold, or at least not sinking ....
He is a clever bugger.
Blackpuddin said:
Tartan Pixie said:
America hits debt ceiling, treasury reckons it's got enough money to last until September: https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-debt-ceiling-why-it...
That's a sobering read. A single trillion is a number that's tough to get your head round. The fact that US debt was $18tn in 2015, $20tn in 2017 and now $22tn in 2019 (a) does not generate much confidence in their fiscal skills and (b) underlines the utterly farcical nature of global economics. We will see.
Edited by Gandahar on Friday 22 March 11:30
Tartan Pixie said:
I'm really hoping the democrats are smart enough to not make this upcoming fight about the wall, it's a red herring which provided it has sufficient environmental safeguards is of little consequence to anyone but more importantly it turns the entire economic debate in to a debate on immigration, which is not only dumb from a political standpoint but it falls in to the same trap you see on forums all the time, people expending so much energy on debunking the resident nutcase that they end up engaging on the nutcase's terms.
Dems ran the mid-terms on healthcare and taxation and won. Trump's wall strategy lost. Hopefully they'll carry that forward.I've still got every confidence in them dividing their votes again instead of uniting behind a single Dem candidate - anyone - and thereby letting Trump back in again through the back door.
God knows what other shenanigans might be in play too by the time it comes to pass.
Gandahar said:
The problem with your long winded argument ( which is good if you had a sensible POTUS) is that it relies on having a sensible POTUS.
You don't, at least in regard to the debt ceiling.
Let me point you back to a campaign pledge by Trump ==>
"We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt. ... Well, I would say over a period of eight years. And I’ll tell you why.”
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/...
Note that is not reducing the deficit, a herculean task in itself, but getting rid of all the debt ! How's he doing so far?
He just said that about the debt to get the right wing on board. No, what he actually cares about is making rules to make his Trump empire stronger whilst he is doing this government job. Hence why he cut corporation tax by so much.
He's thinking ahead to either 2020 or 2024 for returning to his Trump pirate ship which will be laden with gold, or at least not sinking ....
He is a clever bugger.
He's not that clever cos we're watching him do it in plain sight. And it was obvious from day 1 that he was going to bring in legislation to massively benefit his own company and those of his wealthier backers under the pretence of saving the middle classes some cash.You don't, at least in regard to the debt ceiling.
Let me point you back to a campaign pledge by Trump ==>
"We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt. ... Well, I would say over a period of eight years. And I’ll tell you why.”
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/...
Note that is not reducing the deficit, a herculean task in itself, but getting rid of all the debt ! How's he doing so far?
He just said that about the debt to get the right wing on board. No, what he actually cares about is making rules to make his Trump empire stronger whilst he is doing this government job. Hence why he cut corporation tax by so much.
He's thinking ahead to either 2020 or 2024 for returning to his Trump pirate ship which will be laden with gold, or at least not sinking ....
He is a clever bugger.
The clever ones are those that change the rules in their favour without anyone realising until about 5 years down the line.
Apparently Trump has now been sent by God to save the Isralites from Iran, well according to Mike Pompeo....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4767071...
I would have spat my tea out but not wasting a good biscuit on that headline.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4767071...
I would have spat my tea out but not wasting a good biscuit on that headline.
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