Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France

Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France

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Dont like rolls

3,798 posts

12 months

Tuesday 31st December 2019
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bhstewie said:
I just struggle when I see people trying to draw comparisons between that and photos of actual real Nazi's marching up the Champs-Élysées.
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They were not Nazis, they were German Heer troops.

Pedants matter

bloomen

3,999 posts

117 months

Tuesday 31st December 2019
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Earthdweller said:
I did and do still wonder what the designated survivors would have been able to do or whether there’d be anyone left “on top” to do their bidding in any case

As you mentioned I wonder how many would have left their families and children behind or whether they’d have chosen to stay with their families
This deserves its own thread. There must be quite a few people here who brushed up against all this planning. I'd love to hear more about it.

turbobloke

90,840 posts

218 months

Tuesday 31st December 2019
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bloomen said:
Earthdweller said:
I did and do still wonder what the designated survivors would have been able to do or whether there’d be anyone left “on top” to do their bidding in any case

As you mentioned I wonder how many would have left their families and children behind or whether they’d have chosen to stay with their families
This deserves its own thread. There must be quite a few people here who brushed up against all this planning. I'd love to hear more about it.
Kelvedon Hatch was/is one of the more interesting locations.

NDA

17,261 posts

183 months

Tuesday 31st December 2019
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Earthdweller said:
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Do you not find it sad that in 2019 Paramilitary soldiers are routinely deployed on the streets of a major European country to maintain order and control ?
What's the alternative - hand over the city to the mob?

jsf

19,247 posts

194 months

Tuesday 31st December 2019
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NDA said:
What's the alternative - hand over the city to the mob?
That's what the French did when the Germans marched into Paris.

Rather than see their city burn, they declared Paris an open city and retreated south, so that when the war was over, they were not having to rebuild a ruin. That's why you get to see the old photos of the Germans marching in formation all neat and tidy, rather than having to fight their way into the city as was the case for the rest of Europe being taken by the Germans during WW2.

It's easy to forget how different the continental European nations history is to the UK, it was far more recent for them to have dictatorships propped up by paramilitary police than we often realise.

It's also easy to forget a lot of mainland Europe has very different gun laws to the UK, gun ownership is common and requires more generally armed police. Our Island really is quite special when it comes to certain aspects of life.

Lentilist

775 posts

33 months

Tuesday 31st December 2019
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i4got said:
bhstewie said:
EU blinkers at play I think.

It's quite odd comparing and contrasting the reactions to French protesters when a few turn violent to the reactions when a few protesters take to the street in the UK.

Personally it seems a bit of a double-standard.
On both sides I'd say. There is certainly an element of 'I'll ignore police brutality in France because it doesn't sit well with my rose-tinted view of the EU."
Equally true to say "I'll ignore police brutality in the UK when it's tuition fee protesters, Stop the War coalition or XR activists getting beaten up"? Post on this very forum during such protests would suggest many don't seem to mind the police wading in when it's "eco-loons" or "soap dodgers" on the receiving end.

biggbn

6,645 posts

178 months

Tuesday 31st December 2019
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Lentilist said:
Equally true to say "I'll ignore police brutality in the UK when it's tuition fee protesters, Stop the War coalition or XR activists getting beaten up"? Post on this very forum during such protests would suggest many don't seem to mind the police wading in when it's "eco-loons" or "soap dodgers" on the receiving end.
Here are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others...

jsf

19,247 posts

194 months

Tuesday 31st December 2019
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Lentilist said:
Equally true to say "I'll ignore police brutality in the UK when it's tuition fee protesters, Stop the War coalition or XR activists getting beaten up"? Post on this very forum during such protests would suggest many don't seem to mind the police wading in when it's "eco-loons" or "soap dodgers" on the receiving end.
The Police were not wading in in those occasions you mention, if anything they were seen as being too soft. It was the general public who started to stick the boot in, as seen at the tube station.

Digga

31,504 posts

241 months

Wednesday 1st January
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citizensm1th said:
i4got said:
On both sides I'd say. There is certainly an element of 'I'll ignore police brutality in France because it doesn't sit well with my rose-tinted view of the EU."
Nope il ignore it because I don't live there and I am not running around French cities wearing a high viz provoking a military force who are set up just for such eventualitys. The crs are not the police btw

Bugger all to do with my views on the EU as internal security affairs of member states has F. A. To do with the EU
That last line, along with fiscal and banking control and responsibility, is what will continue to hamper real, meaningful closer integration.

I terms of security, any FOM area is only as secure as its weakest link (nation). There is, for example, very good reason why links to Belgium have, for many years, flagged up as a potential hazard for individuals looking to work on HMG projects requiring security clearance.

Rushjob

563 posts

216 months

Wednesday 1st January
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citizensm1th said:
The crs are not the police btw

They are, they are the Compangnies Republicaine de Securite, a unit of the Police Nationale. They are involved in the main for VIP protection, riot control, mountain rescue and motorway policing but are also used as a mobile police reserve for any major incident.


citizensm1th

7,244 posts

95 months

Wednesday 1st January
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Rushjob said:
They are, they are the Compangnies Republicaine de Securite, a unit of the Police Nationale. They are involved in the main for VIP protection, riot control, mountain rescue and motorway policing but are also used as a mobile police reserve for any major incident.
Been there settled that to late sorry

Baby Shark doo doo doo doo

12,683 posts

127 months

Wednesday 1st January
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Helicopter123 said:
smn159 said:
amgmcqueen said:
smn159 said:
Vanden Saab said:
Yeah, those two pictures are exactly equivalent rolleyes
The bottom picture should have the EU flag not the French.
Only if you're a complete idiot with no grasp of history
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yes

That image doesn’t have the EU armoured carrier getmecoathehe

NDA

17,261 posts

183 months

Wednesday 1st January
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Lentilist said:
Equally true to say "I'll ignore police brutality in the UK when it's tuition fee protesters, Stop the War coalition or XR activists getting beaten up"? Post on this very forum during such protests would suggest many don't seem to mind the police wading in when it's "eco-loons" or "soap dodgers" on the receiving end.
When the 'rent-a-mob' crowd start smashing windows, trashing and looting I'm quite pleased that the police wade in.

Abbott

948 posts

161 months

Monday 6th January
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The view of my French colleagues: "France is crazy, we moan about wanting change, we elect a President away from the political norms to deliver change then we go on strike when there is any attempt to impliment change"

Also on the subject of CRS, it is true that there are not any spotty faced 18 year olds in the CRS however a recent experience up close. I was at the Arc de Triomphe and was caught up in a quick escalation of a Gillet Jaune incident. The CRS that were there were being subjected to the most horrific abuse from some of the extreme participants. I was trying to get past a barricade and was dealt with in a very civil and polite way. The CRS that I witnessed Simply stood thier ground in a polite and professional way. Dont get me wrong I know they can be harsh when instructed to be.

Red Devil

12,147 posts

166 months

Tuesday 7th January
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Earthdweller said:
vaud said:
Civil defense was mostly bks. Lots of grand plans, all hinging on (quite low level council workers) heading to a bunker and then to dig mass graves, etc... instead of to their families.

My dad had an allocation in a shelter, but he was always clear that he wasn't going to take it up. Given we lived near a primary strike target it was immaterial anyway.
We often used to joke that if the warning went off we’d blue light it as fast as possible up the M11 to try and outrun the mushroom cloud laugh.

We used to have a “secret nuclear bunker” underneath a police training camp and I went a few times with my Sergeant who was the key holder for it

Was quite surreal powering it up and wandering round it, making a couple of phone and radio calls then closing it down and locking it up again

I did and do still wonder what the designated survivors would have been able to do or whether there’d be anyone left “on top” to do their bidding in any case

As you mentioned I wonder how many would have left their families and children behind or whether they’d have chosen to stay with their families
@12:18 - https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4vb181 - smile

Earthdweller

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5,960 posts

84 months

Sunday 12th January
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And still it goes on, yet unreported in the main

Footage from yesterday 11/01/20

https://fbwat.ch/12mlT1D3VAFTGon6

https://youtu.be/6fHr5TI7iuo

Edited by Earthdweller on Sunday 12th January 20:15

Dont like rolls

3,798 posts

12 months

Sunday 12th January
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Earthdweller said:
And still it goes on, yet unreported in the main

Footage from yesterday 11/01/20

https://fbwat.ch/12mlT1D3VAFTGon6

https://youtu.be/6fHr5TI7iuo

Edited by Earthdweller on Sunday 12th January 20:15
So France burns, it seems close to revolt and the UK news has nothing.

valiant

5,046 posts

118 months

Sunday 12th January
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Dont like rolls said:
Earthdweller said:
And still it goes on, yet unreported in the main

Footage from yesterday 11/01/20

https://fbwat.ch/12mlT1D3VAFTGon6

https://youtu.be/6fHr5TI7iuo

Edited by Earthdweller on Sunday 12th January 20:15
So France burns, it seems close to revolt and the UK news has nothing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51078405








Dont like rolls

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12 months

Sunday 12th January
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valiant said:
Hardly "on the front page of the news" is it.

valiant

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118 months

Sunday 12th January
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Dont like rolls said:
valiant said:
Hardly "on the front page of the news" is it.
Considering you stated that there was nothing being reported on UK news...

Just because it’s not a headliner doesn’t mean that stuff isn’t being reported.

With all the nonsense surrounding the royals and developments in Iran continuing to dominate the front page, it’s hardly surprising a long running protest that has little bearing on the UK doesn’t make the front pages.