Theresa May (Vol.2)
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:NoNeed said:
jsf said:
Its the MP's that need to get behind May, that aint happening.
The fact that further voting is required is proof that parliament has never intended to let May leaveRemember, that's the thing you voted for, our Parliament making the decisions that affect us rather than the EU.
gizlaroc said:
Piha said:
The Prime Minister has offered a version of Brexit. Therefore, you clearly have a Brexit. It might not be your preferred Brexit but as you state, the vote wasn't for your preferred Brexit, it was to Leave. You need to get behind your Prima Minister and show support, especially if you voted tory at the last General Election.
You can't always have your cake and eat it, donncha no.
No she hasn't.You can't always have your cake and eat it, donncha no.
That is not Brexit at all, it is not leaving.
gizlaroc said:
Derek Smith said:
Very interesting. However, my clubbing days are long gone.
How about this for an analogy:
There's a vote with one concrete option and another which varies according to whom you listen to. The poster boys of one side promise all sorts of different options, just as if the range will be decided later. This is then forgotten by those who want one particular option.
That's a much better analogy, and doesn't require specific weather conditions, probably because it is much more accurate.
Quite plainly, there was no suggestion that there was only every going to be one option. If there was, then it might just as easily been similar to Norway's or Iceland's.
Concrete option? How about this for an analogy:
There's a vote with one concrete option and another which varies according to whom you listen to. The poster boys of one side promise all sorts of different options, just as if the range will be decided later. This is then forgotten by those who want one particular option.
That's a much better analogy, and doesn't require specific weather conditions, probably because it is much more accurate.
Quite plainly, there was no suggestion that there was only every going to be one option. If there was, then it might just as easily been similar to Norway's or Iceland's.
You have no clue what will happen with the EU in 10 years time.
The only definite was "Leave the EU".
Yeah lots of people had different reasons for wanting out, but out was what the vote was for.
We just truly need leave and not this half arsed remain with no say, that is not 'leaving the EU".
There have been several remain advocates on the Brexit threads who've used the 'status quo' argument. I don't understand
It was the lack of status quo that caused my change of heart and leave vote. Nobody knows where the EU will be in 10 years but the commission has made it clear where they would like to be. Verhofstadt's rants, Macron's and Merkel's EU army comments, Selmayr's appointment etc etc are strong indicators.
Most EU citizens don't like the direction the EU is going...….
NoNeed said:
We have as much chance of getting an answer out of them as an answer out of you, welcome to why we voted leave
You voted leave because I won't answer a question that relates to someone else so I can't possible answer it?Because they're a bunch of muppets is the answer to your question.
How is voting leave going to change that?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:NoNeed said:
We have as much chance of getting an answer out of them as an answer out of you, welcome to why we voted leave
You voted leave because I won't answer a question that relates to someone else so I can't possible answer it?Because they're a bunch of muppets is the answer to your question.
How is voting leave going to change that?
NoNeed said:
You have just hi-lighted the problem with the undemocratic EU, to change that means leaving, sadly own own politicians have become infected with the same sense of divine right.
Please explain to me how you believe leaving the EU will change the way the UK Parliament behaves?They're a shower of s
t as a collective, we agree on that as they're demonstrating it on a daily basis.I'm battling with how you believe that leaving the EU changes that?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Please explain to me how you believe leaving the EU will change the way the UK Parliament behaves?
They're a shower of st as a collective, we agree on that as they're demonstrating it on a daily basis.
I'm battling with how you believe that leaving the EU changes that?
It's about saying that we will not be ignored, the undemocratic EU does that, own own parliament is now doing that as they seem to not get the message, they just carry on with crap strawman arguments, just like yourself.They're a shower of s
t as a collective, we agree on that as they're demonstrating it on a daily basis.I'm battling with how you believe that leaving the EU changes that?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Please explain to me how you believe leaving the EU will change the way the UK Parliament behaves?
They're a shower of st as a collective, we agree on that as they're demonstrating it on a daily basis.
I'm battling with how you believe that leaving the EU changes that?
If anything them 'taking back control' will likely make them worse IMO.They're a shower of s
t as a collective, we agree on that as they're demonstrating it on a daily basis.I'm battling with how you believe that leaving the EU changes that?
catso said:
If anything them 'taking back control' will likely make them worse IMO.
Well when you watch the current shower and then think how many laws and regulations and the likes will need to go through Parliament it doesn't exactly fill you with confidence.They don't appear capable of running a bath.
catso said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Please explain to me how you believe leaving the EU will change the way the UK Parliament behaves?
They're a shower of st as a collective, we agree on that as they're demonstrating it on a daily basis.
I'm battling with how you believe that leaving the EU changes that?
If anything them 'taking back control' will likely make them worse IMO.They're a shower of s
t as a collective, we agree on that as they're demonstrating it on a daily basis.I'm battling with how you believe that leaving the EU changes that?
At the moment, most are left wing, what happens when the inevitable happens and the political pendulum swings in the opposite direction, and each country's people have no say in this?
I guess by that time, the EU would have banned any dissenting voices on all platforms anyway, so that doesn't really matter, does it.
Edited by chris watton on Sunday 16th December 14:37
NoNeed said:
It's about saying that we will not be ignored, the undemocratic EU does that, own own parliament is now doing that as they seem to not get the message, they just carry on with crap strawman arguments, just like yourself.
There was a phenomenon in the referendum of people voting to leave the EU in order to somehow "teach our government a lesson".You seem to fit the category from the things you've said.
If you believe voting leave will make a difference to how our Parliament and politicians act I'd like to know how.
It isn't a trap it's a genuine question but apparently it's "crap strawman arguments" to ask.
Sorry but I'm not seeing it - our politicians as a collective are an embarrassment, the EU has nothing to do with that.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: There was a phenomenon in the referendum of people voting to leave the EU in order to somehow "teach our government a lesson".
You seem to fit the category from the things you've said.
If you believe voting leave will make a difference to how our Parliament and politicians act I'd like to know how.
It isn't a trap it's a genuine question but apparently it's "crap strawman arguments" to ask.
Sorry but I'm not seeing it - our politicians as a collective are an embarrassment, the EU has nothing to do with that.
We have a hung parliament where remainers have the power, so of course they are an embarrassment. That won't last forever as luckily we can change it, the EU we can't change so must go.You seem to fit the category from the things you've said.
If you believe voting leave will make a difference to how our Parliament and politicians act I'd like to know how.
It isn't a trap it's a genuine question but apparently it's "crap strawman arguments" to ask.
Sorry but I'm not seeing it - our politicians as a collective are an embarrassment, the EU has nothing to do with that.
NoNeed said:
e have a hung parliament where remainers have the power, so of course they are an embarrassment. That won't last forever as luckily we can change it, the EU we can't change so must go.
People vote for an MP in a General Election because they want them to represent their interests on a whole range of issues.That means that sometimes you have to vote for someone who you disagree with on one issue but who will best represent your interests on others.
I think our current 2 party system stinks, and I'd love to see it shaken up, but I really don't think Brexit or the EU is enough of a priority for most people to make a difference.
Remember UKIP have won no seats and that was before they went full-on mental.
Personally I'd like to see more independent MPs but I expect most people who are interested in getting into politics feel they have to align with one of the major parties to stand a chance.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: People vote for an MP in a General Election because they want them to represent their interests on a whole range of issues.
That means that sometimes you have to vote for someone who you disagree with on one issue but who will best represent your interests on others.
I think our current 2 party system stinks, and I'd love to see it shaken up, but I really don't think Brexit or the EU is enough of a priority for most people to make a difference.
Remember UKIP have won no seats and that was before they went full-on mental.
Personally I'd like to see more independent MPs but I expect most people who are interested in getting into politics feel they have to align with one of the major parties to stand a chance.
I too would love to see some sort of proportional representation, it may surprise you that I would love an EU superstate, I just think the current arrogant undemocratic EU is a complete balls up but as they see no wrong with themselves change is highly unlikely.That means that sometimes you have to vote for someone who you disagree with on one issue but who will best represent your interests on others.
I think our current 2 party system stinks, and I'd love to see it shaken up, but I really don't think Brexit or the EU is enough of a priority for most people to make a difference.
Remember UKIP have won no seats and that was before they went full-on mental.
Personally I'd like to see more independent MPs but I expect most people who are interested in getting into politics feel they have to align with one of the major parties to stand a chance.
El stovey said:
steveT350C said:
Day after the referendum I bet a remain voting mate £50 we will never leave.
How will you decide if you’ve actually left? Flip me it's complicated.
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