Gatwick closed by drones

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CanAm

3,832 posts

210 months

Wednesday 9th January
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WestyCarl said:
At 300ft my drone pretty much disappears from sight, even at night (with red and green lights), spotting one while driving and being sure enough to report it nono
And being able to estimate the height of an object of unknown size in the night sky just by some flashing nights. While driving past. Father Ted would have been impressed.

pingu393

3,084 posts

143 months

Wednesday 9th January
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TeamD said:
Monkeylegend said:
TeamD said:
pingu393 said:
LEMAC ?
Eh?
Would we lie to you.
I'm still no wiser confused
You are obviously nothing to do with LEMAC (Long Eaton Model Aircraft Club). They fly in a field just over two miles from the EMA runway.

saaby93

24,893 posts

116 months

Wednesday 9th January
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WestyCarl said:
saaby93 said:
Cold said:
Guybrush said:
Still no pictures, no journalists interviewing witnesses?
The only witnesses seem to be police officers and a few lines on the BBC website that claim one of their journos also saw something while driving along the M25.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46804425
beeeb said:
BBC cameraman Martin Roberts, who works with drones, said he was driving on the M25 past Heathrow airport at about 17:45 GMT when he saw what he believes was a drone.

"I could see, I'd say around 300 feet up, very bright, stationary flashing red and green lights, over the Harmondsworth area," he said.

"I could tell it was a drone - these things have got quite distinctive lights - not a helicopter."
17:45 = dark
anyone seen a plane appear to be stationary over heathrow with red and green lights?

scratchchin
At 300ft my drone pretty much disappears from sight, even at night (with red and green lights), spotting one while driving and being sure enough to report it nono
Father Ted has a lot to answer for


TeamD

4,049 posts

170 months

Wednesday 9th January
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pingu393 said:
You are obviously nothing to do with LEMAC (Long Eaton Model Aircraft Club). They fly in a field just over two miles from the EMA runway.
Ah! Ok, no, I'm south of the 453 smile

pingu393

3,084 posts

143 months

Wednesday 9th January
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TeamD said:
pingu393 said:
You are obviously nothing to do with LEMAC (Long Eaton Model Aircraft Club). They fly in a field just over two miles from the EMA runway.
Ah! Ok, no, I'm south of the 453 smile
You must be very close. The field is on the old road between Kegworth and Sawley marina.
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mcdjl

3,629 posts

133 months

Wednesday 9th January
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pingu393 said:
You must be very close. The field is on the old road between Kegworth and Sawley marina.
The clay pigeon lot will deal with any drones there.

pingu393

3,084 posts

143 months

Thursday 10th January
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mcdjl said:
pingu393 said:
You must be very close. The field is on the old road between Kegworth and Sawley marina.
The clay pigeon lot will deal with any drones there.
They use the field next but one, so you don't want to stray too close shoot

Cold

6,123 posts

28 months

Thursday 10th January
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So you're saying Gatwick was closed by clay pigeons?

jdw100

2,646 posts

102 months

Saturday 12th January
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HoHoHo said:
chrisga said:
jdw100 said:
Fundamentally could I sit at home here with my feet up a good few thousands of miles away and play havoc with Gatwick until someone shoots me (well, my drone) down?
Probably. At least until the battery ran out.
With a very expensive drone you could for sure.

With something like a DJi drone, you can't operate them other than within about a 2 or 3 mile radius.

The Mavic Air for example (which I have and is so small at about 10" across so you probably wouldn't even see it over an airfield) has a usable operating distance of about 1 mile in total clear unobstructed visibility. Start adding buildings and trees and you won't get too far at all.

If (and for me it's a big if) there is a drone and it's big enough to see from some distance away from a camera then you are talking about many thousands of pounds worth of equipment and out of the reach of an amateur drone pilot. That could possibly be flown totally remotely, I know nothing about those.

Interestingly in the UK DJi have now reduced the usable radio distance on their amateur drones to about a mile or so and as I mentioned above that's with total clear line of sight. In the US the same drones have a usable distance of many miles, up to 5 or more given the right conditions. I'm told you can fiddle with the UK drone to try and confuse it to think it's on the states and thus have a greater operating distance but I haven't tried that myself.
Thanks for the responses - sorry didn't see them before. Didn't responses to your postings used to get highlighted in blue?

Okay, so probably not a new hobby for me then.

Could have sat by my pool here and disrupted flights across the UK. Which airport today....?

(only joking - total sympathy for travellers, had a four hour delay last year but at least that was in a nice airport not a European one)

Dr Interceptor

5,113 posts

134 months

Saturday 12th January
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A bit late to the party, but here's a couple of photos I took at Gatwick on the 20th...

Looking out the window at the departure gate, no movement at all, not even luggage carts running about. Weird.



On board the plane (where we sat for three hours not going anywhere), and again, everything totally still.


TeamD

4,049 posts

170 months

Saturday 12th January
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98elise said:
If you want systems that work error free with every other system on the planet then it's going to get very expensive.
This statement has been bugging me for days. Did you really mean to suggest that it is OK for systems not to work properly as long as they were cheap? eek

saaby93

24,893 posts

116 months

Saturday 12th January
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Dr Interceptor said:
A bit late to the party, but here's a couple of photos I took at Gatwick on the 20th...

Looking out the window at the departure gate, no movement at all, not even luggage carts running about. Weird.



On board the plane (where we sat for three hours not going anywhere), and again, everything totally still.

Didnt someone say there was a strike that day?

rfsteel

305 posts

108 months

Saturday 19th January
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Latest update from LGW, seems strange that it's only in the local papers;

https://www.crawleyobserver.co.uk/news/crime/gatwi...

Summary is that 25 site/homes have been searched since the incident and that police had over 800 extra shifts to cover during the disruption.

steve_k

360 posts

143 months

Saturday 19th January
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This drone incident has proven it is very easy to cause a lot of problems to an airport with very little risk and outlay. I would imagine some less desirable groups/terrorists will be planning more attacks now the method has been proven.


Whatsmyname

195 posts

15 months

Saturday 19th January
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steve_k said:
This drone incident has proven it is very easy to cause a lot of problems to an airport with very little risk and outlay. I would imagine some less desirable groups/terrorists will be planning more attacks now the method has been proven.
Is the only reason no ones flown a drone into a plane engine the fact that their either too stupid to think of it or they havent got the balls?

Would the drone on its own do enough damage or would it need to carry something? I cant thing it would be hard if you was guided by a go pro and surely the suction from the engine would do the rest of the work?

steve_k

360 posts

143 months

Saturday 19th January
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Whatsmyname said:
Is the only reason no ones flown a drone into a plane engine the fact that their either too stupid to think of it or they havent got the balls?

Would the drone on its own do enough damage or would it need to carry something? I cant thing it would be hard if you was guided by a go pro and surely the suction from the engine would do the rest of the work?
It's only a matter of time, less risk of getting caught than running over a few pedestrians in a car or van. How to stop it happening is the difficult one to solve.

El stovey

24,694 posts

201 months

Saturday 19th January
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Whatsmyname said:
steve_k said:
This drone incident has proven it is very easy to cause a lot of problems to an airport with very little risk and outlay. I would imagine some less desirable groups/terrorists will be planning more attacks now the method has been proven.
Is the only reason no ones flown a drone into a plane engine the fact that their either too stupid to think of it or they havent got the balls?

Would the drone on its own do enough damage or would it need to carry something? I cant thing it would be hard if you was guided by a go pro and surely the suction from the engine would do the rest of the work?
Terrorists have fired rockets at aircraft a few times in Kenya and more recently Turkey and Egypt.

They’d happily fly a drone into an aircraft if they could. They seem to focus on high profile death and destruction though rather than causing disruption and delays.

Whatsmyname

195 posts

15 months

Saturday 19th January
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El stovey said:
Terrorists have fired rockets at aircraft a few times in Kenya and more recently Turkey and Egypt.

They’d happily fly a drone into an aircraft if they could. They seem to focus on high profile death and destruction though rather than causing disruption and delays.
Id have thought downing an aircraft would achieve all objectives.

steve_k

360 posts

143 months

Saturday 19th January
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El stovey said:
Terrorists have fired rockets at aircraft a few times in Kenya and more recently Turkey and Egypt.

They’d happily fly a drone into an aircraft if they could. They seem to focus on high profile death and destruction though rather than causing disruption and delays.
Getting hold rockets to fire at planes I would imagine quite difficult in Europe and I would imagine very expensive, then you have the issue of training to use them they tend not to be reusable so practice would be quite difficult.

Now drones on the other hand are getting cheaper to buy easier to fly and use and some of the larger models can carry quite a payload its only a matter of time.

Thankyou4calling

6,693 posts

111 months

Saturday 19th January
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rfsteel said:
Latest update from LGW, seems strange that it's only in the local papers;

https://www.crawleyobserver.co.uk/news/crime/gatwi...

Summary is that 25 site/homes have been searched since the incident and that police had over 800 extra shifts to cover during the disruption.
And yet ???