Was Hitler really right wing?

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Guybrush

3,998 posts

144 months

Saturday 19th January
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The left have hammered home the 'right wing' label on Hitler for a few decades, quite probably to disassociate their beloved left wing idology from his horrific nature. However, Hitler and the NAZIs exhibited behaviours common to all far left bodies, from their propaganda, divide and rule tactics, shouting down, sneering at and intimidating opposing voices, all tactics with which we may be familiar right now. They called themselves National Socialists and, despite disliking communists, the NAZIs were really just a different flavour of the authoritarian left.

Halb

45,999 posts

121 months

Saturday 19th January
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because the authoritarian right don't exist! Ever, anywhere!

Guybrush

3,998 posts

144 months

Saturday 19th January
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Halb said:
because the authoritarian right don't exist! Ever, anywhere!
Really? Does it mean that?

NJH

2,837 posts

147 months

Saturday 19th January
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It's also very corrosive. We live in a liberal democracy, its not just a debasement of words but eventually of all the institutions and norms associated with a liberal democracy. This for me is vastly more worrying than nonsense about left v right.

Halb

45,999 posts

121 months

Saturday 19th January
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It means HItler is a great example of authoritarian, and he was right wing, to deny that goes beyond the pale even for here.

NAZIs and capitalism
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/capitalism-and-...

NAZIs privatising things
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

NAZIs squashing trade unions, the bastion of the leftie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germ...
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Guybrush

3,998 posts

144 months

Saturday 19th January
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Halb said:
It means HItler is a great example of authoritarian, and he was right wing, to deny that goes beyond the pale even for here.

NAZIs and capitalism
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/capitalism-and-...

NAZIs privatising things
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

NAZIs squashing trade unions, the bastion of the leftie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germ...
Please just compare Hitler's actions with a couple of far left dictators, say Stalin and Mao. You won't see much difference.

Randy Winkman

6,056 posts

127 months

Saturday 19th January
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From this thread I'd have to assume most PHers who consider themselves "right-wing" don't want strict immigration controls?

grumbledoak

23,787 posts

171 months

Saturday 19th January
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Halb said:
grumbledoak said:
But mostly "right wing" is used as an insult by the left and the "liberals" to mean anyone other than themselves. It's around the intellectual level of "ORANGE MAN BAD" and no-one is going to be reclaiming either phrase any time soon.
'leftie' and 'liberal' (even more bizarrely) is regularly used on PH as a pejorative.
True, but not in the same way. They are used more specifically. Someone using "leftie" as an insult will usually be referring to their economic preferences or social "justice" campaigning. Liberal is normally put in quotes to emphasize that those currently calling themselves "liberal" are quite far removed from it. Whereas seemingly any unrelated nastiness like racism or football violence all get called "far right" even though racism isn't unique to either end of the economic spectrum. The BNP is very left wing, in fact - in favour of large scale renationalization in the last elections, yet "far right" is the slur.

RJG46

851 posts

6 months

Saturday 19th January
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Is Boris Johnson really stupid?

Guybrush

3,998 posts

144 months

Saturday 19th January
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Randy Winkman said:
From this thread I'd have to assume most PHers who consider themselves "right-wing" don't want strict immigration controls?
Skills based is all. Nothing to do with race.

Countdown

22,133 posts

134 months

Saturday 19th January
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Guybrush said:
Randy Winkman said:
From this thread I'd have to assume most PHers who consider themselves "right-wing" don't want strict immigration controls?
Skills based is all. Nothing to do with race.
A friend of mine runs an indian restaurant and desperately needs a decent chef. Do you think they should be allowed to recruit from India?

Equally my firm needs an Oracle DBA - I can either pay something like £60k for somebody who live sin the UK or recruit somebody from India for £35k....ok to recruit from India?

voyds9

6,809 posts

221 months

Saturday 19th January
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Randy Winkman said:
From this thread I'd have to assume most PHers who consider themselves "right-wing" don't want strict immigration controls?
But the Left have managed to push a narrative that being on the Right is Far Right and Nazi.



PositronicRay

13,933 posts

121 months

Saturday 19th January
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alfie2244 said:
PositronicRay said:
kurt535 said:
That was great; I came out same as Gandhi!
Me too.
Me too laugh

I think it's rigged, even Mrs (slightly right of attila the hun) PR comes out as Gandhi. irked

Vanden Saab

1,608 posts

12 months

Saturday 19th January
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Countdown said:
Guybrush said:
Randy Winkman said:
From this thread I'd have to assume most PHers who consider themselves "right-wing" don't want strict immigration controls?
Skills based is all. Nothing to do with race.
A friend of mine runs an indian restaurant and desperately needs a decent chef. Do you think they should be allowed to recruit from India?

Equally my firm needs an Oracle DBA - I can either pay something like £60k for somebody who live sin the UK or recruit somebody from India for £35k....ok to recruit from India?

Liberal leftie here rofl
In the first instance, if there is no UK based chef available then they can recruit from wherever they like, subject to any immigration limits or rules.
In the second instance, no. Bringing in workers from elsewhere when the skills and workers are available here is just daft.Why should taxpayers subsidise your company?

Randy Winkman

6,056 posts

127 months

Saturday 19th January
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voyds9 said:
Randy Winkman said:
From this thread I'd have to assume most PHers who consider themselves "right-wing" don't want strict immigration controls?
But the Left have managed to push a narrative that being on the Right is Far Right and Nazi.
Who are "the left"? I'm fairly left wing; am I one of them?

dai1983

1,647 posts

87 months

Saturday 19th January
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PositronicRay said:
I think it's rigged, even Mrs (slightly right of attila the hun) PR comes out as Gandhi. irked
Maybe instead of being the fine upstanding right wingers you think you are you’re actually lefties in desguise? I think loads of people have done the same as yourselves as it’s fashionable at the moment to call people “libetards” and “leftie snowflakes”.

dai1983

1,647 posts

87 months

Saturday 19th January
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grumbledoak said:
True, but not in the same way. They are used more specifically. Someone using "leftie" as an insult will usually be referring to their economic preferences or social "justice" campaigning.
I get called a leftie snowflake when I tell people I voted remain or when I question their zealot like support of Tommy Robinson. Neither for me is a left v right issue but it’s the go to slur for idiots who cant argue their opinions very well

Isaac Hunt

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9,343 posts

149 months

Saturday 19th January
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Countdown said:
A friend of mine runs an indian restaurant and desperately needs a decent chef. Do you think they should be allowed to recruit from India?

Equally my firm needs an Oracle DBA - I can either pay something like £60k for somebody who live sin the UK or recruit somebody from India for £35k....ok to recruit from India?
As long as the chef can support himself without needing Government assistance, then providing there is no one else available, then fine. However, if he becomes unemployed, then he needs to find another job PDQ or he goes back to India.

Your firm should recruit from the UK. You will be the first to moan if the UK allowed your Chinese competitors to import a government subsidised product. This is what trade deals are about.

andy_s

14,004 posts

197 months

Saturday 19th January
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dai1983 said:
I get called a leftie snowflake when I tell people I voted remain or when I question their zealot like support of Tommy Robinson. Neither for me is a left v right issue but it’s the go to slur for idiots who cant argue their opinions very well
It's an idiot test; when you get called a hyperbolic and projected name that is in current 'fashion' and it's undeserved or irrelevant it immediately shows where the discourse will be going and gives you an opportunity to do something more interesting than arguing with an idiot.

Countdown

22,133 posts

134 months

Saturday 19th January
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Vanden Saab said:
In the first instance, if there is no UK based chef available then they can recruit from wherever they like, subject to any immigration limits or rules.
In the second instance, no. Bringing in workers from elsewhere when the skills and workers are available here is just daft.Why should taxpayers subsidise your company?
It's the same situation for both... there probably ARE workers available in the UK but they cost much more to employ.

It's a bit like LU train drivers insisting that they should be on £50k per annum and preventing LU from recruiting anybody externally. In very simple terms that's what limiting freedom of movement does; it acts to protect certain workers.

And I'm not sure how taxpayers would be subsidising "my" company? confused