How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 8)

How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 8)

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SpeckledJim

17,210 posts

191 months

Friday 8th February
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Dixy said:
Is it time to start discussing how long it will take them to do a deal after April 1st and a WTO split.
If that comes to pass, you'd hope they'd sort it PDQ.

UK and Euro business would not be impressed, and bring whatever influence they can to bear, IMO.


PurpleMoonlight

14,551 posts

95 months

Friday 8th February
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SpeckledJim said:
If that comes to pass, you'd hope they'd sort it PDQ.

UK and Euro business would not be impressed, and bring whatever influence they can to bear, IMO.
What is this influence, I'm yet to see any evidence of it?

Camoradi

2,850 posts

194 months

Friday 8th February
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Unicorns
Crash Out
Cliff Edge
Our future
Our children's futures

There, I've said them all to save anyone else repeating them. They're tired and they really need a rest smile

chrispmartha

3,992 posts

67 months

Friday 8th February
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johnxjsc1985 said:
why is Tusk deliberately trying to ps off 17.4 million people , firstly condemning them to hell and now saying that nice Mr Corbyn has a good idea.
You can’t just carry on lying just because its a new thread

Digga

26,124 posts

221 months

Friday 8th February
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Camoradi said:
Unicorns
Crash Out
Cliff Edge
Our future
Our children's futures
"People's" Vote

There, I've said them all to save anyone else repeating them. They're tired and they really need a rest smile
Fixed that for you.
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B'stard Child

16,696 posts

184 months

Friday 8th February
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PurpleMoonlight said:
What's it say, I have no sound on my computer so no point in watching.
PurpleMoonlight said:
wc98 said:
i knew you wouldn't watch it biggrin maybe you could email mrs may for the details of her lip reader wink
I could indeed but I doubt she would reply.
I also have data limited internet access so try not to watch long videos.
I am just beginning to understand why you spend so much time in bed biggrin

amusingduck

3,825 posts

74 months

Friday 8th February
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chrispmartha said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
why is Tusk deliberately trying to ps off 17.4 million people , firstly condemning them to hell and now saying that nice Mr Corbyn has a good idea.
You can’t just carry on lying just because its a new thread
Oh, we're pointing out misrepresentations of what people actually said now, are we?

Great news, I'm all for it. There wasn't much appetite for that during the Fox "one of the easiest" discussion last week, to my disappointment.

PurpleMoonlight

14,551 posts

95 months

Friday 8th February
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B'stard Child said:
I am just beginning to understand why you spend so much time in bed biggrin
I like a quiet life.

tongue out

SpeckledJim

17,210 posts

191 months

Friday 8th February
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PurpleMoonlight said:
SpeckledJim said:
If that comes to pass, you'd hope they'd sort it PDQ.

UK and Euro business would not be impressed, and bring whatever influence they can to bear, IMO.
What is this influence, I'm yet to see any evidence of it?
At the moment, I don't think it outweighs the need for democracy to be seen to be done. Once we're out, and demonstrably out, everyone can do what the money wants. Which is fine by me.

WeCumTitVillage

362 posts

4 months

Friday 8th February
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Camoradi said:
Unicorns
Crash Out
Cliff Edge
Our future
Our children's futures

There, I've said them all to save anyone else repeating them. They're tired and they really need a rest smile
If you had added ' cake' you'd be able to string together a post by MrrT

Camoradi

2,850 posts

194 months

Friday 8th February
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Digga said:
Camoradi said:
Unicorns
Crash Out
Cliff Edge
Our future
Our children's futures
"People's" Vote

There, I've said them all to save anyone else repeating them. They're tired and they really need a rest smile
Fixed that for you.
Much obliged. To be honest I thought that one was dead wink

king arthur

3,371 posts

199 months

Friday 8th February
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Terminator X said:
Leaving with "no deal" was never possible imho given May is a remainer and so are a reasonable number of MP's even if their constituents are not!
Whilst that's true I think the problem is May thought she could get her BRINO deal through the HoC. She was too blind to see a 230 vote defeat coming. That has left a high probability of a no deal exit.

PurpleMoonlight

14,551 posts

95 months

Friday 8th February
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SpeckledJim said:
At the moment, I don't think it outweighs the need for democracy to be seen to be done. Once we're out, and demonstrably out, everyone can do what the money wants. Which is fine by me.
And if the money wants us back in?

B'stard Child

16,696 posts

184 months

Friday 8th February
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WeCumTitVillage said:
Camoradi said:
Unicorns
Crash Out
Cliff Edge
Our future
Our children's futures

There, I've said them all to save anyone else repeating them. They're tired and they really need a rest smile
If you had added ' cake' you'd be able to string together a post by MrrT
Nope it would have needed the word "Flights" in there to comply biggrin

chrispmartha

3,992 posts

67 months

Friday 8th February
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amusingduck said:
chrispmartha said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
why is Tusk deliberately trying to ps off 17.4 million people , firstly condemning them to hell and now saying that nice Mr Corbyn has a good idea.
You can’t just carry on lying just because its a new thread
Oh, we're pointing out misrepresentations of what people actually said now, are we?

Great news, I'm all for it. There wasn't much appetite for that during the Fox "one of the easiest" discussion last week, to my disappointment.
And conversely there wasn’t much apetite to discuss the £9m leaflet either when it was pointed out it didn’t state what some brexiteers said it did.

amusingduck

3,825 posts

74 months

Friday 8th February
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chrispmartha said:
amusingduck said:
chrispmartha said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
why is Tusk deliberately trying to ps off 17.4 million people , firstly condemning them to hell and now saying that nice Mr Corbyn has a good idea.
You can’t just carry on lying just because its a new thread
Oh, we're pointing out misrepresentations of what people actually said now, are we?

Great news, I'm all for it. There wasn't much appetite for that during the Fox "one of the easiest" discussion last week, to my disappointment.
And conversely there wasn’t much apetite to discuss the £9m leaflet either when it was pointed out it didn’t state what some brexiteers said it did.
Here's hoping Volume 8 will have more integrity.


hehe

chrispmartha

3,992 posts

67 months

Friday 8th February
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amusingduck said:
chrispmartha said:
amusingduck said:
chrispmartha said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
why is Tusk deliberately trying to ps off 17.4 million people , firstly condemning them to hell and now saying that nice Mr Corbyn has a good idea.
You can’t just carry on lying just because its a new thread
Oh, we're pointing out misrepresentations of what people actually said now, are we?

Great news, I'm all for it. There wasn't much appetite for that during the Fox "one of the easiest" discussion last week, to my disappointment.
And conversely there wasn’t much apetite to discuss the £9m leaflet either when it was pointed out it didn’t state what some brexiteers said it did.
Here's hoping Volume 8 will have more integrity.


hehe
not a cats chance ‘in a special place’ in hell

B'stard Child

16,696 posts

184 months

Friday 8th February
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digga said:
wiggy001 said:
I used to think May was simply incompetent but it's much much worse than that.
This. Her actions were downright dishonest. The negotiation process was hi-jacked by people who did not want to leave.

Now if you voted remain, you might think "good", but the problem is, we are all in the same boat and it is a boat that, through the inevitable process that followed the referendum is leaving the EU. So we've had an illogical opposition, which has netted us all a really, really stty deal.

I'd believed this for some time, but this video back it up, to the hilt.
I watched that video and my conclusion was I have every sympathy for the EU side - no fking wonder they keep saying they need the UK to make up it's mind what it wants

UK - We don't want to be in CU or SM and no free movement of people how about a FTA and agreements on mutual co-operation

EU - OK I think we can do that it won't compromise your red lines and wouldn't hurt either of us too much however we want to sort out your exit first and then we can talk trade - you can have a transition period while we talk trade where nothing changes.

UK - That's great but we've changed our minds - we now want a deep and meaningful relationship but we don't want to be in the customs union or single market but we want full access without paying for it

EU - fk Off that's cherry picking we've said you can't do that

UK - OK how much of it can we get without breaking our red lines

EU - Your red lines need to be pink and wobbly

UK - But pink is still red right - no one will notice biggrin

EU - Your problem is your border with Ireland it's going to be a land border with the EU so if during the transition period we don't come to an agreement (and lets be honest you change your mind about what you want so frequently it's frankly going to be fking hard work trying to deal with your cake and eat it approach) we need something of a backstop

UK - Backstop that sounds fine just write that into the agreement and we'll sign it

Oooops!!!!!

Digga

26,124 posts

221 months

Friday 8th February
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king arthur said:
Terminator X said:
Leaving with "no deal" was never possible imho given May is a remainer and so are a reasonable number of MP's even if their constituents are not!
Whilst that's true I think the problem is May thought she could get her BRINO deal through the HoC. She was too blind to see a 230 vote defeat coming. That has left a high probability of a no deal exit.
Given the video was linked to by another poster near to the end of the last volume, it's worth repeating hereing, not least because it provides a huge amount of insight into the process the government went through and the reasons why they themselves (as agents ideologically opposed to the change Brexit represented) fudged the deal:

https://youtu.be/jVmSxbQwwlk

slow_poke

1,359 posts

172 months

Friday 8th February
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B'stard Child said:
I watched that video and my conclusion was I have every sympathy for the EU side - no fking wonder they keep saying they need the UK to make up it's mind what it wants

UK - We don't want to be in CU or SM and no free movement of people how about a FTA and agreements on mutual co-operation

EU - OK I think we can do that it won't compromise your red lines and wouldn't hurt either of us too much however we want to sort out your exit first and then we can talk trade - you can have a transition period while we talk trade where nothing changes.

UK - That's great but we've changed our minds - we now want a deep and meaningful relationship but we don't want to be in the customs union or single market but we want full access without paying for it

EU - fk Off that's cherry picking we've said you can't do that

UK - OK how much of it can we get without breaking our red lines

EU - Your red lines need to be pink and wobbly

UK - But pink is still red right - no one will notice biggrin

EU - Your problem is your border with Ireland it's going to be a land border with the EU so if during the transition period we don't come to an agreement (and lets be honest you change your mind about what you want so frequently it's frankly going to be fking hard work trying to deal with your cake and eat it approach) we need something of a backstop

UK - Backstop that sounds fine just write that into the agreement and we'll sign it

Oooops!!!!!
laugh