Student strike for climate change

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dandarez

9,977 posts

222 months

Monday 11th February
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esxste said:
otolith said:
Detention for 17 year olds? At the same time we are being told that they should be given the vote? Making education compulsory up to 18 seems to have driven the infantilisation of this age group.
There are many things that have infantalised the latest generation.

Personally I blame the 40+ crowd who raised them and have all the political power in the country.

Thankfully the Millenials can be left to their avocado toast for this one.
Why are you not at school today, or are you on 'strike'?


Mort7

228 posts

47 months

Monday 11th February
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When I was young, and idealistic, this would have seemed like a great idea. Now that I'm a cynical old bcensoredd I think it's utterly meaningless bcensoredcks.

otolith

36,932 posts

143 months

Monday 11th February
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j_4m said:
I dropped out of my school halfway through the first A level year to attend a college. The difference in maturity between 16-18 year olds at a school and at a college was pretty remarkable.
My sister attended the same sixth form college I had, seven years later. So that would have been '96-ish. I couldn't believe how much more they were treating her cohort like schoolchildren. We had teachers saying "if you don't want to study, fk off out of my classroom, no skin off my nose". They were being micromanaged.

wc98

7,567 posts

79 months

Monday 11th February
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any teacher that thinks it is a good idea to let young impressionable minds be influenced by orgs like these https://rebellion.earth/https://risingup.org.uk/about-us needs a kick up the arse, imo.

this sounds a well thought out proposal,not. "The Government must enact legally-binding policies to reduce carbon emissions in the UK to net zero by 2025 and take further action to remove the excess of atmospheric greenhouse gases. It must cooperate internationally so that the global economy runs on no more than half a planet’s worth of resources per year."


otolith

36,932 posts

143 months

Monday 11th February
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wc98 said:
any teacher that thinks it is a good idea to let young impressionable minds be influenced by orgs like these https://rebellion.earth/https://risingup.org.uk/about-us needs a kick up the arse, imo.

this sounds a well thought out proposal,not. "The Government must enact legally-binding policies to reduce carbon emissions in the UK to net zero by 2025 and take further action to remove the excess of atmospheric greenhouse gases. It must cooperate internationally so that the global economy runs on no more than half a planet’s worth of resources per year."
I wonder how many of them have the first clue what achieving that would do to their lifestyles?
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j_4m

979 posts

3 months

Monday 11th February
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otolith said:
I wonder how many of them have the first clue what achieving that would do to their lifestyles?

otolith

36,932 posts

143 months

Monday 11th February
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j_4m said:
otolith said:
I wonder how many of them have the first clue what achieving that would do to their lifestyles?
laugh

No car.
Turn off the gas central heating and cut domestic electricity usage by 70% (i.e. to the proportion of UK generation which is renewable).
No new gadgets, toys. Minimal clothing purchases. Made do and mend.
Cut usage of internet services by 70% (all that infrastructure uses power, from mobile phone masts to Instagram's datacentres)
No more meat, after they've eaten the dog.
No holidays abroad.
No holidays in the UK which can't be done by public transport, and then not too far.

DRCAGE

405 posts

104 months

Monday 11th February
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Isn't it up to these kids to solve the problem?

We're obviously too old and busy to come up with a solution!

Save us!

Tankrizzo

4,841 posts

132 months

Monday 11th February
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Heard this on the radio this morning. The 17-year-old they got on to discuss it seemed very confused about what they were protesting for.

I also note that when asked how many schools were involved, she said "over 30 towns and cities were signed up" which is a bit different to the truth that pupils from over 30 of these towns were in for it. That could be just 30 kids....

I predict this will be a few hundred of the usual Socialist Worker placard-waving rabble with their children chanting rubbish outside Westminster.

smartypants

38,978 posts

108 months

Monday 11th February
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otolith said:
laugh

No car.
Turn off the gas central heating and cut domestic electricity usage by 70% (i.e. to the proportion of UK generation which is renewable).
No new gadgets, toys. Minimal clothing purchases. Made do and mend.
Cut usage of internet services by 70% (all that infrastructure uses power, from mobile phone masts to Instagram's datacentres)
No more meat, after they've eaten the dog.
No holidays abroad.
No holidays in the UK which can't be done by public transport, and then not too far.
Probably drinking the coolaid would have a better longer lasting effect, no?


otolith

36,932 posts

143 months

Monday 11th February
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smartypants said:
Probably drinking the coolaid would have a better longer lasting effect, no?
Would certainly cut their emissions.

Russian Troll Bot

19,921 posts

166 months

Friday 15th February
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Can't help but notice a lot of Socialist Worker and Tories Out placards and chants at these marches. It's almost as if it's nothing to do with saving the planet and just the usual job shy agitators out for a bit of a moan.

Peter911

59 posts

96 months

Friday 15th February
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Tankrizzo said:
Heard this on the radio this morning. The 17-year-old they got on to discuss it seemed very confused about what they were protesting for.

I also note that when asked how many schools were involved, she said "over 30 towns and cities were signed up" which is a bit different to the truth that pupils from over 30 of these towns were in for it. That could be just 30 kids....

I predict this will be a few hundred of the usual Socialist Worker placard-waving rabble with their children chanting rubbish outside Westminster.
Prediction correct. There was some chap on the news that had just come from there. Lots of kids being groomed into supporting Socialist worker placards, Jeremy Corbyn in, etc. Teachers are mainly lefties. Big issue with climate change is lack of education, so go back to school and get educated. If they want to do something about climate change then walk to school, stop eating Macdonalds and stop using your mobile phone.

dudleybloke

14,685 posts

125 months

Friday 15th February
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It's been on the radio today and the kids are well meaning but full of indoctrination.
Doesn't their history classes mention it was warm enough to grow grapes in most of the UK a few hundred years ago, or that a few hundred years later it was that cold there would be markets held on a frozen river Thames every winter proving that climate change is a natural phenomenon.

motco

11,573 posts

185 months

Friday 15th February
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To explain that 400ppm of atmospheric CO2 is 0.04% might be a good start. It must be a pretty deadly gas to have a deadly effect if it has risen by 0.01 percentage points.

smartypants

38,978 posts

108 months

Friday 15th February
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dudleybloke said:
It's been on the radio today and the kids are well meaning but full of indoctrination.
Doesn't their history classes mention it was warm enough to grow grapes in most of the UK a few hundred years ago, or that a few hundred years later it was that cold there would be markets held on a frozen river Thames every winter proving that climate change is a natural phenomenon.
Personally I still haven't heard a salient argument that convinces me that "climate change" (whatever that means) is

a) man made,
b) can be changed in any way by man,
or c) a bad thing

To me, its just how the World is, but is being used as a stick to use for whatever political/economic agenda someone wants to push at the time.

But hey, I must be stupid, the school kids must be right.


Slagathore

4,705 posts

131 months

Friday 15th February
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Peter911 said:
Tankrizzo said:
Heard this on the radio this morning. The 17-year-old they got on to discuss it seemed very confused about what they were protesting for.

I also note that when asked how many schools were involved, she said "over 30 towns and cities were signed up" which is a bit different to the truth that pupils from over 30 of these towns were in for it. That could be just 30 kids....

I predict this will be a few hundred of the usual Socialist Worker placard-waving rabble with their children chanting rubbish outside Westminster.
Prediction correct. There was some chap on the news that had just come from there. Lots of kids being groomed into supporting Socialist worker placards, Jeremy Corbyn in, etc. Teachers are mainly lefties. Big issue with climate change is lack of education, so go back to school and get educated. If they want to do something about climate change then walk to school, stop eating Macdonalds and stop using your mobile phone.
It certainly fits with Corbyn/Labour wanting to lower the voting age.


motco

11,573 posts

185 months

Friday 15th February
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You'll have to take my word for this because I cannot come up with a link, but on Radio 4 'Today' someone was being interviewed about the disaster awaiting us when all the insects die out soon due, in part, to climate change. The two critical phrases pertaining to the remedy that stuck out were '...reducing inequalities...' and '...changing from a capitalist society.' The naked political agenda showed through the hand-wringing doom forecast.

Tankrizzo

4,841 posts

132 months

Friday 15th February
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The Socialist Worker connection is that the Socialist Worker's Party is closely tied to a lot of the climate change activist groups for younger people, so a lot of members being to both camps. The SWP turn out at these events and to be fair have a very slick marketing campaign which involves producing thousands of placards with the "message of the day" on and subtle mentions of their own party on the bottom. Any event which will be protesting a remotely capitalist government, they're there. Brexit, climate change, austerity, student fees, you name it. It's not just the Tories either, I remember them laying into Blair in the early 2000s too.

I have to give them credit for their grassroots operations as they're very good at it.

Coolbanana

1,786 posts

139 months

Friday 15th February
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smartypants said:
Personally I still haven't heard a salient argument that convinces me that "climate change" (whatever that means) is

a) man made,
b) can be changed in any way by man,
or c) a bad thing

To me, its just how the World is, but is being used as a stick to use for whatever political/economic agenda someone wants to push at the time.

But hey, I must be stupid, the school kids must be right.
I'm not here to educate you, but you are seriously in need of an education on the subject if what you have stated here is true - the same goes for anyone in the same situation. That doesn't mean you are "stupid", far from it, it simply means you need to delve into the subject better than you obviously have; personally, I believe the debate was done a long time ago and people are waking up to and accepting the reality - so change is happening, slowly, but the momentum is there and it'll get better from here on out - hopefully with enough time to make a positive difference. smile

Denial is akin to not believing in Evolution or a round Earth and while you may have a dawning moment and understand having researched properly, many won't but that's ok so long as they are in the minority and are "forced" by legislation etc to consume and use services and products that reduce their harmful footprint. There is a wealth of easy-to-understand information as to what Climate Change is, how humans have affected it and what they might do to redress the situation - and this quite apart from the Earth's natural cycles and the tin-foil hat brigade and big businesses for whom it is cheaper to pay rogue "Scientists" to confuse the issue with falsehoods and dubious "facts".

Anyway, good on the schoolkids for doing their part to keep people talking about it - and hopefully, joining in to do something about it too. smile