"Sorry Daily Mail content"

"Sorry Daily Mail content"

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irocfan

Original Poster:

20,064 posts

134 months

Wednesday 17th July
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we all know that the DM is the paper everyone loves to hate - however are they really any worse than the offerings from most of the rest of the meeja?

Yes, I know that there are huge number of clickbait articles on their website (I guess this subsidises which means it's still free to look at - for better or worse), but other media outlets also rely on these
Yes they are biased to the right - but are they any worse in their bias than the sun , the express, the mirror, the Daily Telegraph, the observer or the graun?
Yes they've had some distinctly dodgy associations in the past - but I suspect so do quite a few of the others
Some of their opinion pieces are st - but then the gruan has owen jones...


gregs656

3,631 posts

125 months

Wednesday 17th July
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Do they get this more than other free to access news outlets?

I doubt they do on here.

Jasandjules

62,911 posts

173 months

Wednesday 17th July
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No they are all rubbish and biased. Such is the media.

longblackcoat

4,035 posts

127 months

Wednesday 17th July
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irocfan said:
we all know that the DM is the paper everyone loves to hate - however are they really any worse than the offerings from most of the rest of the meeja?

Yes, I know that there are huge number of clickbait articles on their website (I guess this subsidises which means it's still free to look at - for better or worse), but other media outlets also rely on these
Yes they are biased to the right - but are they any worse in their bias than the sun , the express, the mirror, the Daily Telegraph, the observer or the graun?
Yes they've had some distinctly dodgy associations in the past - but I suspect so do quite a few of the others
Some of their opinion pieces are st - but then the gruan has owen jones...
Are they worse? Well, The Times/Guardian/Observer/Telegraph all display opinions but try to be journalistic in the news articles; The Mail is far less balanced. On that basis, yes, they're considerably worse then the other newspapers.

And the whataboutism over "just cos they supported the brownshirts, bet the others were just as bad" doesn't really wash. Yes, they've all been appalling at times, but The Mail does it consistently.

The Sun doesn't count (in anyone's eyes) as an actual paper, and The Express, although a newspaper, seemingly caters exclusively to end-of-life folks and their travails, so they can be excluded (though they display some shocking prejudice as well); The Mail stands alone as a mainstream paper that is so obviously biased that it really shouldn't be called a newspaper at all.

garyhun

27,283 posts

172 months

Wednesday 17th July
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Jasandjules said:
No they are all rubbish and biased. Such is the media.
And we have a winner!

Lotobear

1,447 posts

72 months

captain_cynic

5,025 posts

39 months

Wednesday 17th July
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irocfan said:
we all know that the DM is the paper everyone loves to hate - however are they really any worse than the offerings from most of the rest of the meeja?

Yes, I know that there are huge number of clickbait articles on their website (I guess this subsidises which means it's still free to look at - for better or worse), but other media outlets also rely on these
Yes they are biased to the right - but are they any worse in their bias than the sun , the express, the mirror, the Daily Telegraph, the observer or the graun?
Yes they've had some distinctly dodgy associations in the past - but I suspect so do quite a few of the others
Some of their opinion pieces are st - but then the gruan has owen jones...
Yes, without a doubt the worst mainstream UK publisher.

The guardian may be bad and politically opposed and I certainly take their opinion articles with a huge grain of salt (as in I don't read them at all)... but the guardian has two redeeming qualities that makes it somewhat better than the Daily Mail.

1. It's more erudite. If you want to improve your mastery of the English language, you can do a lot worse than read the Guardian.
2. Because of 1, they cant be as blatant as the DM, let alone the Daily Express with their lies as the readership are smart enough to spot obvious lies.

The Daily Mail is far more blatant about pissing on your back and telling you it's raining. They deliberately write their articles in inflammatory language, conflate fact with opinion or just bald faced lie. I'm talking the kinds of lies that won't pass a 6 yr old. They design their language and style to get people angry... so people usually apologise for posting a DM link because they do, and deliberately so, insult your intelligence.

That being said, if you've ever watched Fox News... even though the DM is frequently in the same vein, they aren't a patch on Fox.

Printed news is dying anyway. I think the only mainstream paper actually increasing in readership is the Private Eye.

BTW, in a recent pub quiz, I tried to get away with Owen Jones for "fiction author starting with O".

irocfan

Original Poster:

20,064 posts

134 months

Wednesday 17th July
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captain_cynic said:
BTW, in a recent pub quiz, I tried to get away with Owen Jones for "fiction author starting with O".
hehe

Down and out

1,550 posts

8 months

Wednesday 17th July
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Anyone who has mideng, sorry, Owen Jones on their payroll ain't worth bothering with.

Jaguar steve

5,588 posts

154 months

Wednesday 17th July
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The Daily Mail is "ultra right-wing, populist, nationalistic, xenophobic, isolationist, often hysterical, and notoriously obsessed with immigrants, house prices, same-sex marriage, and claimants of state benefits".

...As well as the antics and petty trivia regarding the royal family, celebrity gossip, cannabis as a gateway drug, conspiracy theories, money, pedophilia and Brexit.

Now how could you possibly inflict any of that tsunami of mindless garbage on somebody without apologising first? biggrin

bitchstewie

21,182 posts

154 months

Wednesday 17th July
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If you don't like Owen Jones don't read his articles.

Whether you agree with the opinion pieces or not, The Guardian does some fantastic journalism.

I'll read The Daily Mail but I can't even work out what its purpose is any more other than trying to wind people up.

Johnnytheboy

18,196 posts

130 months

Wednesday 17th July
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Funny thing is there isn't a left wing equivalent, i.e. a mid-market left-leaning paper between the Guardian and the Mirror (I don't think the I really counts as it's just a small Guardian).

I suppose that is a reflection of left wing views in the population at large, which have never been prevalent in lower middle class society.

Cantaloupe

413 posts

4 months

Wednesday 17th July
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As the rest of the print and broadcast Medja are shamelessly left-leaning, is there really anything surprising about the fact the Mail has
a centre-right agenda ?

You know, just for fairness and balance.


valiant

3,841 posts

104 months

Wednesday 17th July
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Cantaloupe said:
As the rest of the print and broadcast Medja are shamelessly left-leaning, is there really anything surprising about the fact the Mail has
a centre-right agenda ?

You know, just for fairness and balance.

The rest?

Yeah, the Telegraph, the Express, the Sun and so on are all shamelessly left wing rofl

The Mail centre right? Oh dear, oh dear.

bigpriest

119 posts

74 months

Wednesday 17th July
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"The BBC is like a flurry of sewage that comes into your house unbidden, whereas The Daily Mail is like you constructed a sluice to let it in."

(This quote may have been stolen and changed)

texaxile

2,167 posts

94 months

Wednesday 17th July
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Jaguar steve said:
The Daily Mail is "ultra right-wing, populist, nationalistic, xenophobic, isolationist, often hysterical, and notoriously obsessed with immigrants, house prices, same-sex marriage, and claimants of state benefits".

...As well as the antics and petty trivia regarding the royal family, celebrity gossip, cannabis as a gateway drug, conspiracy theories, money, pedophilia and Brexit.

Now how could you possibly inflict any of that tsunami of mindless garbage on somebody without apologising first? biggrin
Don't forget the "sidebar". Vacuous C list celebrities poncing around feeling self important.

Other than that it's a great read.

Cantaloupe

413 posts

4 months

Wednesday 17th July
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valiant said:
The rest?

Yeah, the Telegraph, the Express, the Sun and so on are all shamelessly left wing rofl

The Mail centre right? Oh dear, oh dear.
Dear boy, left leaning is different to left wing, when you start growing hair on your balls you'll begin to understand adult things laugh

grumbledoak

24,366 posts

177 months

Wednesday 17th July
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Johnnytheboy said:
Funny thing is there isn't a left wing equivalent, i.e. a mid-market left-leaning paper between the Guardian and the Mirror (I don't think the I really counts as it's just a small Guardian).

I suppose that is a reflection of left wing views in the population at large, which have never been prevalent in lower middle class society.
You've been drinking the Gurdian Kool Aid for too long if you think it isn't just the other cheek of the same arse as the Mail.

Baby Shark doo doo doo doo

11,517 posts

113 months

Wednesday 17th July
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It’s a hate filled rag. Although at least they’re open about it, others hide their hatred and bile behind fancy language and attempts to sound intelligent.

Think of the DM like Trump. Spouts st to get a rise, knows what their supporters want and don’t hide what they do.
Other rags are more like your Blair/Juncker/Obama sort. Equally vile and stirring up hate but hide behind fancy language and a polished appearance.

Edited by Baby Shark doo doo doo doo on Wednesday 17th July 18:58


Edited by Baby Shark doo doo doo doo on Wednesday 17th July 18:59

Jaguar steve

5,588 posts

154 months

Wednesday 17th July
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texaxile said:
Jaguar steve said:
The Daily Mail is "ultra right-wing, populist, nationalistic, xenophobic, isolationist, often hysterical, and notoriously obsessed with immigrants, house prices, same-sex marriage, and claimants of state benefits".

...As well as the antics and petty trivia regarding the royal family, celebrity gossip, cannabis as a gateway drug, conspiracy theories, money, pedophilia and Brexit.

Now how could you possibly inflict any of that tsunami of mindless garbage on somebody without apologising first? biggrin
Don't forget the "sidebar". Vacuous C list celebrities poncing around feeling self important.

Other than that it's a great read.
Sorry I've no idea about the sidebar - I wouldn't wipe my arse on the Mail let alone read it even if I had terminal dysentery and had run out of bog paper. smile