Harry and Meghan

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Echo66

382 posts

153 months

Wednesday 31st July 2019
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Mort7 said:
Echo66 said:
So the RF is no different to any other family then. Who knew.
They are quite different. They lead opulent, privileged and entitled lives at the expense of the taxpayer. Their side of the deal is that they should remain beyond reproach in all aspects of their lives, be apolitical, keep their opinions to themselves, and act as an example to the rest of us. They have failed to do that.

Echo66 said:
Harry had no additional protection out anywhere.....
Plenty of reports say otherwise. Here are two picked at random:-

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harry...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/armed-guards-for-har...

More facile gossip from newspapers, no doubt. It really is surprising just how many of them have an axe to grind. I wonder why?

Echo66 said:
Many people come back to an opulent lifestyle, so what, thats life.
Few have five cottages on a royal estate converted into one massive home at a cost of £2.4 million to the taxpayer, despite plans to move to Africa at a later date - presumably also at taxpayers' expense.

I'm intrigued to know - do you know Harry? Did you perhaps serve alongside him and therefore have inside information that the newspapers don't have access to, or are you simply an ardent Royalist?
Again reports in newspapers mean nothing. There was no CP detail with HRH in Afghan. The protection was within the fact he was in the army. Nuff said. In his first tour he was out in the desert with the Blues & Royals most of the time. Where are the CP team going to be? He was in a scimitar or a Mastiff - a limited crew no room for hangers on esp a CP team about as much use as a chocolate teapot. His additional tours he was with the AAC in Apache. Again, outside the wire where is a CP team going to be when he's flying a two seat helo.

SInce when did the taxpayer pay for anything apart from security & rightly so. There are endless sources showing the Duchy is a very profitable organisation & self funding, profits etc more than pay for Chuck & the two princess.

No I don't know Harry personally but I do know ppl who have worked with him both on tour & in private through the likes of Invictus. Its easy to criticise someone based on spurious crap in tabloids esp if you haven't done a tenth of the things he or anyone in a similar privileged position does for the benefit of other people. He's one of the few royals who really does earn his keep.

The majority of criticism (& this isn't aimed at anyone in particular, more the shabby journalism) comes from ardent republicans or whining socialist types with an envy streak cos other ppl have a bit more wedge than they do.

Jasandjules

65,978 posts

193 months

Wednesday 31st July 2019
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poo at Paul's said:
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Self promoting B list Royals.
I know nothing of them personally and I have no doubt what is reported in the press is not completely factually accurate.

What I have heard however is that some of the lads who served with him on active duty adore him. These are not people who would say such things unless they were totally true. That is enough for me to consider he is more likely a top bloke than not.

98elise

18,911 posts

125 months

Wednesday 31st July 2019
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Mort7 said:
Echo66 said:
So the RF is no different to any other family then. Who knew.
They are quite different. They lead opulent, privileged and entitled lives at the expense of the taxpayer. Their side of the deal is that they should remain beyond reproach in all aspects of their lives, be apolitical, keep their opinions to themselves, and act as an example to the rest of us. They have failed to do that.

Echo66 said:
Harry had no additional protection out anywhere.....
Plenty of reports say otherwise. Here are two picked at random:-

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harry...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/armed-guards-for-har...

More facile gossip from newspapers, no doubt. It really is surprising just how many of them have an axe to grind. I wonder why?

Echo66 said:
Many people come back to an opulent lifestyle, so what, thats life.
Few have five cottages on a royal estate converted into one massive home at a cost of £2.4 million to the taxpayer, despite plans to move to Africa at a later date - presumably also at taxpayers' expense.

I'm intrigued to know - do you know Harry? Did you perhaps serve alongside him and therefore have inside information that the newspapers don't have access to, or are you simply an ardent Royalist?
How does their money come from the taxpayer? They get a % of the crown estate income, and that doesn't include Harry and Megan IIRC.

The total cost is less than a quid per person per year!

You may envy their "opulent" lifestyle but I can honestly say I would want to swap lives with any of them. I value my freedom to do as I please. I don't want to work at 53, so fk working until you're dead!

Mort7

1,482 posts

72 months

Wednesday 31st July 2019
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Echo66 said:
Lots of pro-Harry stuff.
So a Royalist then. Fair enough, but I'll beg to differ.

98elise said:
You may envy their "opulent" lifestyle.....
I don't. I simply feel that some of the younger members of the royal family behave like reality TV "celebrities".

Edited to add:-

98elise said:
How does their money come from the taxpayer? They get a % of the crown estate income, and that doesn't include Harry and Megan IIRC.
Sorry, missed that somehow. Explanation from the BBC - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48746609

Edited by Mort7 on Wednesday 31st July 22:57

CustardOnChips

1,371 posts

26 months

Wednesday 31st July 2019
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Who gives a fk.

No one is forcing anyone to follow what they do. Just ignore it.

Mack42

42 posts

109 months

Wednesday 31st July 2019
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Echo66 said:
Mort7 said:
Echo66 said:
So the RF is no different to any other family then. Who knew.
They are quite different. They lead opulent, privileged and entitled lives at the expense of the taxpayer. Their side of the deal is that they should remain beyond reproach in all aspects of their lives, be apolitical, keep their opinions to themselves, and act as an example to the rest of us. They have failed to do that.

Echo66 said:
Harry had no additional protection out anywhere.....
Plenty of reports say otherwise. Here are two picked at random:-

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harry...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/armed-guards-for-har...

More facile gossip from newspapers, no doubt. It really is surprising just how many of them have an axe to grind. I wonder why?

Echo66 said:
Many people come back to an opulent lifestyle, so what, thats life.
Few have five cottages on a royal estate converted into one massive home at a cost of £2.4 million to the taxpayer, despite plans to move to Africa at a later date - presumably also at taxpayers' expense.

I'm intrigued to know - do you know Harry? Did you perhaps serve alongside him and therefore have inside information that the newspapers don't have access to, or are you simply an ardent Royalist?
Again reports in newspapers mean nothing. There was no CP detail with HRH in Afghan. The protection was within the fact he was in the army. Nuff said. In his first tour he was out in the desert with the Blues & Royals most of the time. Where are the CP team going to be? He was in a scimitar or a Mastiff - a limited crew no room for hangers on esp a CP team about as much use as a chocolate teapot. His additional tours he was with the AAC in Apache. Again, outside the wire where is a CP team going to be when he's flying a two seat helo.

SInce when did the taxpayer pay for anything apart from security & rightly so. There are endless sources showing the Duchy is a very profitable organisation & self funding, profits etc more than pay for Chuck & the two princess.

No I don't know Harry personally but I do know ppl who have worked with him both on tour & in private through the likes of Invictus. Its easy to criticise someone based on spurious crap in tabloids esp if you haven't done a tenth of the things he or anyone in a similar privileged position does for the benefit of other people. He's one of the few royals who really does earn his keep.

The majority of criticism (& this isn't aimed at anyone in particular, more the shabby journalism) comes from ardent republicans or whining socialist types with an envy streak cos other ppl have a bit more wedge than they do.
Echo66 You seem to be focusing on one small area of Harry’s life which is fair enough as reading your posts you appear to have ample experience in that area. I don’t have your knowledge of his activities in the Middle East but would imagine his security was controlled passively by his location and activities as it would be a massive PR win for the enemy if they managed to take him out.
i am a republican (definitely not a socialist) but am one as I believe in a meritocracy and the RF is the antithesis of this. This country should be about the very best rising to the very top and that will never happen with a monarchy insitu. I wouldn’t care how much of my tax goes to them as in principal I don’t think it’s right in the 21st century to have one family lifted over others just by virtue of history. To me think I sets a bad example to people to see one family demonstrate conspicuous wealth they haven’t earned and get everything in life at the click of a finger. People say that they work but it’s not exactly coal mining is it and every job they go to they travel first class with a team of people waiting on them hand and foot.


poo at Paul's

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10,581 posts

139 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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CustardOnChips said:
Who gives a fk.

No one is forcing anyone to follow what they do. Just ignore it.
No, but of course we are paying for a sizeable chunk of it!

And it is hard to avoid the media thrusting the latest round of them telling us how it is / should be, from an unfathomable position of wealth, opulence and privilege.

Personally if I have to pay toward such people’s lives, welfare, security, housing, etc etc, I’d prefer to not have their ish opinions banded about every morning by the media. As you say, no one gives a st what they think. There’s two ways for it to be dealt with, media blackout, in which case they’ll stop all their PR bullst and we won’t hear about it, or they could just STFU and get on with their lives like most of the other Royals do, quietly and with a little class in most cases.

psi310398

7,037 posts

167 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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poo at Paul's said:
No, but of course we are paying for a sizeable chunk of it!

And it is hard to avoid the media thrusting the latest round of them telling us how it is / should be, from an unfathomable position of wealth, opulence and privilege.

Personally if I have to pay toward such people’s lives, welfare, security, housing, etc etc, I’d prefer to not have their ish opinions banded about every morning by the media. As you say, no one gives a st what they think. There’s two ways for it to be dealt with, media blackout, in which case they’ll stop all their PR bullst and we won’t hear about it, or they could just STFU and get on with their lives like most of the other Royals do, quietly and with a little class in most cases.
Quite. I’m no socialist but I am a republican as a matter of principle.

Who on Earth does either of them think that he/she is that he/she feels the need or has the right to preach to us or set us an example? And why do so many fellow citizens think it is right?

The bloody deference in this country will be the death of us. Harry may or May not be a fine chap but I don’t need to pay his opinions any more mind than those of any other ex-officer, and I have absolutely no interest in the twittering of a second or third string luvvie on matters unrelated to acting.

CustardOnChips

1,371 posts

26 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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poo at Paul's said:
No, but of course we are paying for a sizeable chunk of it!

And it is hard to avoid the media thrusting the latest round of them telling us how it is / should be, from an unfathomable position of wealth, opulence and privilege.

Personally if I have to pay toward such people’s lives, welfare, security, housing, etc etc, I’d prefer to not have their ish opinions banded about every morning by the media. As you say, no one gives a st what they think. There’s two ways for it to be dealt with, media blackout, in which case they’ll stop all their PR bullst and we won’t hear about it, or they could just STFU and get on with their lives like most of the other Royals do, quietly and with a little class in most cases.
We pay for lots of things I personally don't agree with. That, unfortunately is the way things are. I tend to worry about the things I can't control. In th grand scheme of things, what the RF costs the tax payer isn't very much.

I presume the pair of them are in the media trying to raise awarnes for what they consider to be worth causes? Where is th harm in that?

I tend to listen to 5 live in the morning and can't remember the last time I had their opinions aired on a morning. Maybe you ar looking for t so you can be offended by it. Or you need to re-evluate your choice of media outlet.


JMGS4

8,534 posts

234 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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Anything published by the gutter press is often unfounded, however this continual coverage of a 3rd rate very minor actress and her hubby is just boring, as are their "statement" actions. Who the hell gives a damn if they have only 2 kids, or if the support some unknown charity (NB not a charity, an offshore company, no doubt to fund the "american wife" syndrome!!!)
Their nicknames, which I recently saw, label them correctly, namely Ginge and Cringe........

Cotty

35,595 posts

248 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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There seems to be a distinct female bias to everything she is doing.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/31/meghan-markle-launc...

Echo66

382 posts

153 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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CustardOnChips said:
poo at Paul's said:
No, but of course we are paying for a sizeable chunk of it!

And it is hard to avoid the media thrusting the latest round of them telling us how it is / should be, from an unfathomable position of wealth, opulence and privilege.

Personally if I have to pay toward such people’s lives, welfare, security, housing, etc etc, I’d prefer to not have their ish opinions banded about every morning by the media. As you say, no one gives a st what they think. There’s two ways for it to be dealt with, media blackout, in which case they’ll stop all their PR bullst and we won’t hear about it, or they could just STFU and get on with their lives like most of the other Royals do, quietly and with a little class in most cases.
We pay for lots of things I personally don't agree with. That, unfortunately is the way things are. I tend to worry about the things I can't control. In th grand scheme of things, what the RF costs the tax payer isn't very much.

I presume the pair of them are in the media trying to raise awarnes for what they consider to be worth causes? Where is th harm in that?

I tend to listen to 5 live in the morning and can't remember the last time I had their opinions aired on a morning. Maybe you ar looking for t so you can be offended by it. Or you need to re-evluate your choice of media outlet.
Indeed. Spot on.

JuniorD

8,142 posts

187 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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My only opinion on them is that I don't expect their marriage to last particularly long.

anonymous-user

18 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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JuniorD said:
My only opinion on them is that I don't expect their marriage to last particularly long.
Really?

JuniorD

8,142 posts

187 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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2002 said:
JuniorD said:
My only opinion on them is that I don't expect their marriage to last particularly long.
Really?
yesreadit

mick987

302 posts

74 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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JuniorD said:
My only opinion on them is that I don't expect their marriage to last particularly long.
5 Years max


Cold

10,809 posts

54 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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What's ironic is that he gave his "we're only having two kids for the sake of the environment" speech while attending the Climate Change Conference in Sicily.

That's the conference that has seen numerous celebrities and rich folks arrive on the island in 114 private jets and various super yachts.

Mort7

1,482 posts

72 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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Cold said:
What's ironic is that he gave his "we're only having two kids for the sake of the environment" speech while attending the Climate Change Conference in Sicily.

That's the conference that has seen numerous celebrities and rich folks arrive on the island in 114 private jets and various super yachts.
Link to story here from the Cimate Protesters Block Roads thread - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7307197/P...

Hypocritical nonsense that will undo any good work he has done. What a twonk!

chunder27

2,309 posts

172 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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You listen to 5 live and have yet to realise Campbell is one of the most smug, arrogant cretins ever to sit behind a mike, the amount of times I turn him off as he rams his own leftist crap down my throat!

Agreed we all have different opinions and expectation of media and the like and indeed of Royals.

I am not entirely happy with the way they are going along, she seems to have changed him beyond recognition, and that is sad, he was a relatively easygoing, carefree chap who now seems to feel the need to distance himself from his brother a bit and just because he is married to start getting into causes he was never into before, because of her no doubt. She is typical Hollywood, trying to be something new, and making small errors, but typical Hollywood nonetheless.

I would rather they did their jobs as royals, smiled, were pleasant, toured dutifully, did business behind the scenes, made us proud, than start getting into personal causes too much.

They have not been married long, are not established and probably are being pushed by over eager PR people pushing them in and out of things. Which is probably why they are being a little kept at arms length by those in the family that truly matter.

I know their position is different in that they will never be true throne royalty, but neither were Anne, Edward, Andrew. All o fwhich have different but useful contributions to make, for bad or worse!

Cotty

35,595 posts

248 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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Cold said:
What's ironic is that he gave his "we're only having two kids for the sake of the environment" speech while attending the Climate Change Conference in Sicily.

That's the conference that has seen numerous celebrities and rich folks arrive on the island in 114 private jets and various super yachts.
Considering the amount of flights the royal family make, won't he be saving the planet even more by sticking at one child.