Brexit, what have you learnt
Discussion
Escy said:
dazwalsh said:
How about those half a million to 800,000 jobs that would disappear after the vote?
We've not even had Brexit yet and plenty of jobs have been lost. 420,000 according to this website. https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/Although a fair few of the companies listed do not seem to have ever existed, or at least not listed on companieshouse.
The 1900 florist shops entry was interesting.
That Jeremy Vine has managed to have it on his show every day of every week for nearly 3 years. I honestly can't remember what the show was like before Brexit. What will happen to the show post Brexit. What will they now fill the gap with, every day of every week of every f
king year.
king year. Never knew that here in the UK, a bastion of democratic maturity, a long time preacher to other nations on how governments should rule their population; that the establishment here (civil service, courts, MPs, Lords, Speaker of the house etc.) would mostly act to oppose, block and frustrate a democratic result at the expense of all their preachings and ideologies.
Its been a true demonstration of pure arrogance, childishness and hypocrisy.
And even today we have the opposition (the Corbynov party) on the news stating that they will oppose anything the government wants to do .... simply because of "principal" and the knowledge there is no majority in the HofCommons. Where does national interest or moral integrity sit with any of these MPs?
Its been a true demonstration of pure arrogance, childishness and hypocrisy.
And even today we have the opposition (the Corbynov party) on the news stating that they will oppose anything the government wants to do .... simply because of "principal" and the knowledge there is no majority in the HofCommons. Where does national interest or moral integrity sit with any of these MPs?
S100HP said:
That you can blatantly lie with little to no consequences. See Vote Leave.
Yeah, we should send the EU army to deal with the naughty liars of vote leave.Good job for vote leave that the plan for an EU army is a mere fantasy and definitely not true.
Then we should get the Bank of England to do an impartial and very accurate forecast of the results of being hit by a non-existent army.
That's if their boffins can still work their calculators with scurvy and black-outs.
I've learned that it doesn't take much for people to take an entrenched position and denounce anyone who disagrees with them as racist or antidemocratic or just plain idiots.
We as a society seem to have lost the ability to understand that different people have different points of view depending on their circumstances and life experiences.
We as a society seem to have lost the ability to understand that different people have different points of view depending on their circumstances and life experiences.
Escy said:
dazwalsh said:
How about those half a million to 800,000 jobs that would disappear after the vote?
We've not even had Brexit yet and plenty of jobs have been lost. 420,000 according to this website. https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/Perhaps those 420,000 are normal as businesses rise and fall and not “because of Brexit”?
loafer123 said:
Escy said:
dazwalsh said:
How about those half a million to 800,000 jobs that would disappear after the vote?
We've not even had Brexit yet and plenty of jobs have been lost. 420,000 according to this website. https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/Perhaps those 420,000 are normal as businesses rise and fall and not “because of Brexit”?
Utter nonsense.
And my favourite of their counting rules:
Jackanory said:
5. All jobs moved abroad are considered Brexit-related even if offshored outside the EU, since Brexit makes Britain a “third country” to the EU, just like India or China.
SpeckledJim said:
loafer123 said:
Escy said:
dazwalsh said:
How about those half a million to 800,000 jobs that would disappear after the vote?
We've not even had Brexit yet and plenty of jobs have been lost. 420,000 according to this website. https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/Perhaps those 420,000 are normal as businesses rise and fall and not “because of Brexit”?
Utter nonsense.
And my favourite of their counting rules:
Jackanory said:
5. All jobs moved abroad are considered Brexit-related even if offshored outside the EU, since Brexit makes Britain a “third country” to the EU, just like India or China.
What I have learnt from Brexit is that the majority of the population is either disingenuous or thick and some are both.
I have absolutely no idea how/why I will be better off- either as a person, as a parent or financially, or how the country will suddenly improve, post 31/10/19 (or whenever) when we leave the EU.
it's like a really rubbish work idea/project, you find yourself running with, because yr CEO says yr doing it.
anyway, if a pro-brexit person can tell me, how my life is going to improve, please do so.
I would rather our politicians had been running our country for the last 3.5 years than arguing about brexit.
it's like a really rubbish work idea/project, you find yourself running with, because yr CEO says yr doing it.
anyway, if a pro-brexit person can tell me, how my life is going to improve, please do so.
I would rather our politicians had been running our country for the last 3.5 years than arguing about brexit.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
That we shouldn't have referendums on complex issues in a country where we still have to write on bottles of bleach DO NOT DRINK.
Or if we have to have such a referendum, we need to take the warnings off the bleach, for 2 years, and then have it.
Or if we have to have such a referendum, we need to take the warnings off the bleach, for 2 years, and then have it.
I don't actually think anyone has learnt anything, it's just got worse. Analytical poverty has just evolved into a surfeit of dogma.
We gave the role of 'grown up in the room' to the political class only to discover they were the infants in the sandpit, preferring to pull the rag doll apart in a game of tug of war rather than let anyone else get it. Can open, rag doll everywhere.
austinsmirk said:
I have absolutely no idea how/why I will be better off- either as a person, as a parent or financially, or how the country will suddenly improve, post 31/10/19 (or whenever) when we leave the EU.
it's like a really rubbish work idea/project, you find yourself running with, because yr CEO says yr doing it.
anyway, if a pro-brexit person can tell me, how my life is going to improve, please do so.
I would rather our politicians had been running our country for the last 3.5 years than arguing about brexit.
The UK won't suddenly collapse on the 1st November; if boris gets his way that'll put us into a transition period.it's like a really rubbish work idea/project, you find yourself running with, because yr CEO says yr doing it.
anyway, if a pro-brexit person can tell me, how my life is going to improve, please do so.
I would rather our politicians had been running our country for the last 3.5 years than arguing about brexit.
I'm working on projects at the moment that are similarly badly defined, and equally ridiculousgoals despite no real details to back up the claims. Yet enough people bought into it to ensure that there is at least an attempt to get it completed.
I too am also waiting for an explanation as to how life will improve once (or if) we leave. Tumbleweed ....
Take a look at the latest post by Stongle in this thread, for good reasons why being away from the EU in the near future is a good idea...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Surely everything will be magically better when we TAKE BACK CONTROL, floating away in the North sea singing Kumbaya, free from Yurupeen opreshun...
Democracy in action. Were so democratic that we need to shut down parliament, elected leaders must be stopped and we under no circumstances can we allow people to vote on the issue, to do so would be incredibly anti-democracy.
Also, we can expect the Johnson government to collapse completely. That will happen with or without Brexit.
Democracy in action. Were so democratic that we need to shut down parliament, elected leaders must be stopped and we under no circumstances can we allow people to vote on the issue, to do so would be incredibly anti-democracy.
clonmult said:
The UK won't suddenly collapse on the 1st November; if boris gets his way that'll put us into a transition period.
There will be a crash, not a collapse, but a crash. After that we can expect a slow decline. Also, we can expect the Johnson government to collapse completely. That will happen with or without Brexit.
austinsmirk said:
I have absolutely no idea how/why I will be better off- either as a person, as a parent or financially, or how the country will suddenly improve, post 31/10/19 (or whenever) when we leave the EU.
it's like a really rubbish work idea/project, you find yourself running with, because yr CEO says yr doing it.
anyway, if a pro-brexit person can tell me, how my life is going to improve, please do so.
I would rather our politicians had been running our country for the last 3.5 years than arguing about brexit.
Did you see the BBC documentary about Brussels? When the Euro crisis hit and everyone was leaning heavily on the UK to join the bail-out?it's like a really rubbish work idea/project, you find yourself running with, because yr CEO says yr doing it.
anyway, if a pro-brexit person can tell me, how my life is going to improve, please do so.
I would rather our politicians had been running our country for the last 3.5 years than arguing about brexit.
Luckily (and it was only luck) we had someone in the room strong enough to say 'no'. It was just as possible that they could have said 'yes'.
The Euro is going to collapse, and Brexit means we won't be in that room when it does. As and when that scary day comes about, this will be a 'good thing' on a simply colossal scale, sufficient to put any other worries completely in the shade.
Johnnytheboy said:
That there is no point in referendums, even when all the major politicians say - before and after - that they will honour the result.
The problem, as I see it, it that they couldn't honour the result. People bang on about the will of the people, but that's all the people, not just the winners. The 16.1m who lost don't stop being the people. A 52/48 split is by definition a soft brexit vote. 48% don't want to leave at all, and of the 52% who do, there's a range of opinions on how we should leave. Also, the leave campaign was fought on the basis of us leaving with a great deal, as "we hold all the cards".
So the will of the people was for a soft brexit with a great deal. That isn't achievable, because a great deal isn't on offer. If they could deliver a soft brexit and a great deal, I'd be supportive of that, even though I voted remain, because it would honour the will of the people.
SpeckledJim said:
The Euro is going to collapse, and Brexit means we won't be in that room when it does. As and when that scary day comes about, this will be a 'good thing' on a simply colossal scale, sufficient to put any other worries completely in the shade.
If the Euro collapses we will be affected regardless of our relationship with the EU. By being out – and economically weaker – we might actually take a heavier hit. But, blue passports, eh? (which we could have had anyway).
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