Voting as a muslim
Discussion
So i've voted in pretty much every election that I could, as have my parents (who migrated here in the 60s). Traditional Labour voters as most of my families' working class peers seem to be, but i've steered more toward voting for the Conservatives as economically they speak the same language as me, and being an additional rate taxpayer who doesn't really get much bank for his buck on taxes/council resources i'd rather not be taxed more, or be forced to sell my BTL to a renter. Or be more of the squeezed middle as I currently seem to be. I was born here. vote for who I like right?
BUT, what am I going to do at the next election? Who do I vote for? I suspect many from immigrant families are in a similar quandry to me.
Yes I do believe that our resources are streched due to uncontrolled immigration, and that we might need a bit more control from the EU, but how can I vote for anything to do with Brexit, when it's supporters have so much racism at it's core? I'm not talking about people I know who voted Brexit, or PHers who seem quite enlightened about the whole thing, but the angry swathes of people that you see on TV or hear on the radio that don't really see a difference between Brexit and the anti foreigner/anti islamic rhetoric - just today on the Radio some bloke was complaining about people moving here who dont' share the same British values - he might be right, but by any chance could he be referring to ladies that wear headscarfs or men with beards that look a bit muslim? So voting for parties that promote Brexit seems to me to be like Turkeys voting for Christmas if youre muslim.
Not sure how other Ethnic groups feel about this, but muslims make up nearly 5% of the population. Surely if Brexit has got nothing to do with tackling the great replacement, or anti muslm issues then getting muslims on board with Brexit seems to be a no brainer. So why aren't the tories doing more to get the muslim vote, and why are they driving us into the hands of Comrade Corbyn??
BUT, what am I going to do at the next election? Who do I vote for? I suspect many from immigrant families are in a similar quandry to me.
Yes I do believe that our resources are streched due to uncontrolled immigration, and that we might need a bit more control from the EU, but how can I vote for anything to do with Brexit, when it's supporters have so much racism at it's core? I'm not talking about people I know who voted Brexit, or PHers who seem quite enlightened about the whole thing, but the angry swathes of people that you see on TV or hear on the radio that don't really see a difference between Brexit and the anti foreigner/anti islamic rhetoric - just today on the Radio some bloke was complaining about people moving here who dont' share the same British values - he might be right, but by any chance could he be referring to ladies that wear headscarfs or men with beards that look a bit muslim? So voting for parties that promote Brexit seems to me to be like Turkeys voting for Christmas if youre muslim.
Not sure how other Ethnic groups feel about this, but muslims make up nearly 5% of the population. Surely if Brexit has got nothing to do with tackling the great replacement, or anti muslm issues then getting muslims on board with Brexit seems to be a no brainer. So why aren't the tories doing more to get the muslim vote, and why are they driving us into the hands of Comrade Corbyn??
s1962a said:
So i've voted in pretty much every election that I could, as have my parents (who migrated here in the 60s). Traditional Labour voters as most of my families' working class peers seem to be, but i've steered more toward voting for the Conservatives as economically they speak the same language as me, and being an additional rate taxpayer who doesn't really get much bank for his buck on taxes/council resources i'd rather not be taxed more, or be forced to sell my BTL to a renter. Or be more of the squeezed middle as I currently seem to be. I was born here. vote for who I like right?
BUT, what am I going to do at the next election? Who do I vote for? I suspect many from immigrant families are in a similar quandry to me.
Yes I do believe that our resources are streched due to uncontrolled immigration, and that we might need a bit more control from the EU, but how can I vote for anything to do with Brexit, when it's supporters have so much racism at it's core? I'm not talking about people I know who voted Brexit, or PHers who seem quite enlightened about the whole thing, but the angry swathes of people that you see on TV or hear on the radio that don't really see a difference between Brexit and the anti foreigner/anti islamic rhetoric - just today on the Radio some bloke was complaining about people moving here who dont' share the same British values - he might be right, but by any chance could he be referring to ladies that wear headscarfs or men with beards that look a bit muslim? So voting for parties that promote Brexit seems to me to be like Turkeys voting for Christmas if youre muslim.
Not sure how other Ethnic groups feel about this, but muslims make up nearly 5% of the population. Surely if Brexit has got nothing to do with tackling the great replacement, or anti muslm issues then getting muslims on board with Brexit seems to be a no brainer. So why aren't the tories doing more to get the muslim vote, and why are they driving us into the hands of Comrade Corbyn??
HmmmBUT, what am I going to do at the next election? Who do I vote for? I suspect many from immigrant families are in a similar quandry to me.
Yes I do believe that our resources are streched due to uncontrolled immigration, and that we might need a bit more control from the EU, but how can I vote for anything to do with Brexit, when it's supporters have so much racism at it's core? I'm not talking about people I know who voted Brexit, or PHers who seem quite enlightened about the whole thing, but the angry swathes of people that you see on TV or hear on the radio that don't really see a difference between Brexit and the anti foreigner/anti islamic rhetoric - just today on the Radio some bloke was complaining about people moving here who dont' share the same British values - he might be right, but by any chance could he be referring to ladies that wear headscarfs or men with beards that look a bit muslim? So voting for parties that promote Brexit seems to me to be like Turkeys voting for Christmas if youre muslim.
Not sure how other Ethnic groups feel about this, but muslims make up nearly 5% of the population. Surely if Brexit has got nothing to do with tackling the great replacement, or anti muslm issues then getting muslims on board with Brexit seems to be a no brainer. So why aren't the tories doing more to get the muslim vote, and why are they driving us into the hands of Comrade Corbyn??
s1962a said:
So i've voted in pretty much every election that I could, as have my parents (who migrated here in the 60s). Traditional Labour voters as most of my families' working class peers seem to be, but i've steered more toward voting for the Conservatives as economically they speak the same language as me, and being an additional rate taxpayer who doesn't really get much bank for his buck on taxes/council resources i'd rather not be taxed more, or be forced to sell my BTL to a renter. Or be more of the squeezed middle as I currently seem to be. I was born here. vote for who I like right?
BUT, what am I going to do at the next election? Who do I vote for? I suspect many from immigrant families are in a similar quandry to me.
Yes I do believe that our resources are streched due to uncontrolled immigration, and that we might need a bit more control from the EU, but how can I vote for anything to do with Brexit, when it's supporters have so much racism at it's core? I'm not talking about people I know who voted Brexit, or PHers who seem quite enlightened about the whole thing, but the angry swathes of people that you see on TV or hear on the radio that don't really see a difference between Brexit and the anti foreigner/anti islamic rhetoric - just today on the Radio some bloke was complaining about people moving here who dont' share the same British values - he might be right, but by any chance could he be referring to ladies that wear headscarfs or men with beards that look a bit muslim? So voting for parties that promote Brexit seems to me to be like Turkeys voting for Christmas if youre muslim.
Not sure how other Ethnic groups feel about this, but muslims make up nearly 5% of the population. Surely if Brexit has got nothing to do with tackling the great replacement, or anti muslm issues then getting muslims on board with Brexit seems to be a no brainer. So why aren't the tories doing more to get the muslim vote, and why are they driving us into the hands of Comrade Corbyn??
You are British, vote for the best candidate that fits with your political beliefs. Don't bring religion into it, it's not British!BUT, what am I going to do at the next election? Who do I vote for? I suspect many from immigrant families are in a similar quandry to me.
Yes I do believe that our resources are streched due to uncontrolled immigration, and that we might need a bit more control from the EU, but how can I vote for anything to do with Brexit, when it's supporters have so much racism at it's core? I'm not talking about people I know who voted Brexit, or PHers who seem quite enlightened about the whole thing, but the angry swathes of people that you see on TV or hear on the radio that don't really see a difference between Brexit and the anti foreigner/anti islamic rhetoric - just today on the Radio some bloke was complaining about people moving here who dont' share the same British values - he might be right, but by any chance could he be referring to ladies that wear headscarfs or men with beards that look a bit muslim? So voting for parties that promote Brexit seems to me to be like Turkeys voting for Christmas if youre muslim.
Not sure how other Ethnic groups feel about this, but muslims make up nearly 5% of the population. Surely if Brexit has got nothing to do with tackling the great replacement, or anti muslm issues then getting muslims on board with Brexit seems to be a no brainer. So why aren't the tories doing more to get the muslim vote, and why are they driving us into the hands of Comrade Corbyn??
Brexit isn't about religious prejudice or any other xenophobic excuses, it's whether we, as a nation, wish to be part of a larger political construct (the EU) or not. Simple as that, don't conflate the issue.
HTH
s1962a said:
So i've voted in pretty much every election that I could, as have my parents (who migrated here in the 60s). Traditional Labour voters as most of my families' working class peers seem to be, but i've steered more toward voting for the Conservatives as economically they speak the same language as me, and being an additional rate taxpayer who doesn't really get much bank for his buck on taxes/council resources i'd rather not be taxed more, or be forced to sell my BTL to a renter. Or be more of the squeezed middle as I currently seem to be. I was born here. vote for who I like right?
BUT, what am I going to do at the next election? Who do I vote for? I suspect many from immigrant families are in a similar quandry to me.
Yes I do believe that our resources are streched due to uncontrolled immigration, and that we might need a bit more control from the EU, but how can I vote for anything to do with Brexit, when it's supporters have so much racism at it's core? I'm not talking about people I know who voted Brexit, or PHers who seem quite enlightened about the whole thing, but the angry swathes of people that you see on TV or hear on the radio that don't really see a difference between Brexit and the anti foreigner/anti islamic rhetoric - just today on the Radio some bloke was complaining about people moving here who dont' share the same British values - he might be right, but by any chance could he be referring to ladies that wear headscarfs or men with beards that look a bit muslim? So voting for parties that promote Brexit seems to me to be like Turkeys voting for Christmas if youre muslim.
Not sure how other Ethnic groups feel about this, but muslims make up nearly 5% of the population. Surely if Brexit has got nothing to do with tackling the great replacement, or anti muslm issues then getting muslims on board with Brexit seems to be a no brainer. So why aren't the tories doing more to get the muslim vote, and why are they driving us into the hands of Comrade Corbyn??
Lib Dem.BUT, what am I going to do at the next election? Who do I vote for? I suspect many from immigrant families are in a similar quandry to me.
Yes I do believe that our resources are streched due to uncontrolled immigration, and that we might need a bit more control from the EU, but how can I vote for anything to do with Brexit, when it's supporters have so much racism at it's core? I'm not talking about people I know who voted Brexit, or PHers who seem quite enlightened about the whole thing, but the angry swathes of people that you see on TV or hear on the radio that don't really see a difference between Brexit and the anti foreigner/anti islamic rhetoric - just today on the Radio some bloke was complaining about people moving here who dont' share the same British values - he might be right, but by any chance could he be referring to ladies that wear headscarfs or men with beards that look a bit muslim? So voting for parties that promote Brexit seems to me to be like Turkeys voting for Christmas if youre muslim.
Not sure how other Ethnic groups feel about this, but muslims make up nearly 5% of the population. Surely if Brexit has got nothing to do with tackling the great replacement, or anti muslm issues then getting muslims on board with Brexit seems to be a no brainer. So why aren't the tories doing more to get the muslim vote, and why are they driving us into the hands of Comrade Corbyn??
If the nation can over turn Brexit, there will be a reduction in racism as it will revert to the less overt pre-2016 levels. Which would be nice.
Fears over immigration have been massively hyped up by racists for years in this country.
s1962a said:
Of course i'm going to vote. Maybe you missed the point i'm trying to make.
You think that, because Boris is campaigning on "Leave" - fat chance of us actually leaving with that reheated "deal" - that the Conservatives are just the BNP with blue ties on? I think it's a bit more nuanced than that.Not least, all the free movement we would be giving up was only for
s1962a said:
grumbledoak said:
So don't vote. It's not difficult, is it?
Of course i'm going to vote. Maybe you missed the point i'm trying to make. Not sure what your point is. Tbh Religion and Politics are a bad mix. This isn't Iran. We don't want an ayatollah.
pequod said:
You are British, vote for the best candidate that fits with your political beliefs. Don't bring religion into it, it's not British!
Brexit isn't about religious prejudice or any other xenophobic excuses, it's whether we, as a nation, wish to be part of a larger political construct (the EU) or not. Simple as that, don't conflate the issue.
HTH
This! Brexit isn't about religious prejudice or any other xenophobic excuses, it's whether we, as a nation, wish to be part of a larger political construct (the EU) or not. Simple as that, don't conflate the issue.
HTH
The first question is how do you see yourself ?
Muslim or British ?
Do you put religion before nationality, vice versa or are you not bothered ?
I’d suggest as your family has been in the UK for a couple of generations you are as British as I am
My heritage is Irish Catholic on one side and English Protestant on the other
It does not affect the way I’ll vote .. I’m from the Labour northern heartlands from a very labour background
I’m pretty smart and have done pretty well in life
The way my father voted or his father matter not to me neither does my mixed up mongrel heritage or whether I should be wearing green or Orange, standing or sitting to pray etc
I will vote, having considered what I think is best for me and my circumstances and mine and my children’s future
I’d suggest, respectfully, that you do the same
Muslim or British ?
Do you put religion before nationality, vice versa or are you not bothered ?
I’d suggest as your family has been in the UK for a couple of generations you are as British as I am
My heritage is Irish Catholic on one side and English Protestant on the other
It does not affect the way I’ll vote .. I’m from the Labour northern heartlands from a very labour background
I’m pretty smart and have done pretty well in life
The way my father voted or his father matter not to me neither does my mixed up mongrel heritage or whether I should be wearing green or Orange, standing or sitting to pray etc
I will vote, having considered what I think is best for me and my circumstances and mine and my children’s future
I’d suggest, respectfully, that you do the same
Earthdweller said:
The first question is how do you see yourself ?
Muslim or British ?
Do you put religion before nationality, vice versa or are you not bothered ?
I’d suggest as your family has been in the UK for a couple of generations you are as British as I am
My heritage is Irish Catholic on one side and English Protestant on the other
It does not affect the way I’ll vote .. I’m from the Labour northern heartlands from a very labour background
I’m pretty smart and have done pretty well in life
The way my father voted or his father matter not to me neither does my mixed up mongrel heritage or whether I should be wearing green or Orange, standing or sitting to pray etc
I will vote, having considered what I think is best for me and my circumstances and mine and my children’s future
I’d suggest, respectfully, that you do the same
I see myself as British, and i'm a liberal muslim - does that make me a British Muslim? I do not have any issues assimilating, or have an accent etc etc. Thats not what i'm referring to here. As I mentioned in my post, i'm traditionally a conservative voter but thats really being tested.Muslim or British ?
Do you put religion before nationality, vice versa or are you not bothered ?
I’d suggest as your family has been in the UK for a couple of generations you are as British as I am
My heritage is Irish Catholic on one side and English Protestant on the other
It does not affect the way I’ll vote .. I’m from the Labour northern heartlands from a very labour background
I’m pretty smart and have done pretty well in life
The way my father voted or his father matter not to me neither does my mixed up mongrel heritage or whether I should be wearing green or Orange, standing or sitting to pray etc
I will vote, having considered what I think is best for me and my circumstances and mine and my children’s future
I’d suggest, respectfully, that you do the same
Why would I feel that Brexiters around me feel like they can have a pop at me because of the colour of my skin or my religion? Tell me that Brexit hasn't increased racism and i'll show you plenty of examples where it has
Earthdweller said:
I will vote, having considered what I think is best for me and my circumstances and mine and my children’s future
This is exacly the point that i'm raising.bigpriest said:
Most people don't see you as a muslim, they see you as person. Vote as a person, it makes it easier.
Thank you. I wasn't looking for a hug, but appreciate that.Maybe my post has made me sound like a i have an inferiority complex - I dont think I do. My parents raised me well, and hopefully i'm giving back to society (in ridulous taxation if anything).
Voting for labour might mean I get taxed more, and any assets I might have, like BTL properties might be under threat. So why would I vote for that?
Alternatively, voting for pro Brexit parties might see racisim against me and family rise - it might make it ok to be racist toward muslims - so why would I vote for that? Even though politically and economically the tories speak my language.
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