Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 4)

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Scrump

Original Poster:

7,782 posts

110 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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JagLover

28,212 posts

187 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Let's go Corbyn neutral by Christmas

Johnnytheboy

19,459 posts

138 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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If he loses his second GE will he resign?

Isaac Hunt

11,011 posts

163 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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And here is the latest Labour SNP party broadcast.

https://youtu.be/nRLi_G5vCxs


Zirconia

34,605 posts

236 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Johnnytheboy said:
If he loses his second GE will he resign?
Going to guess that Len and Jon will have a chat (time to go now chum, hand over the reigns etc.), Corby decides that now is the right time to stand aside and let a younger person lead the party forward to the next election etc. bull shine etc. waffle etc. By election in his safe seat and another converted to the cause parachuted in.

Will the MP's see what the problem is and sort it or will Len and Momentum tighten their grip.

768

6,155 posts

48 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Johnnytheboy said:
If he loses his second GE will he resign?
I doubt it.

Can he be pushed?

andy43

6,384 posts

206 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Jewemy, can you explain likely changes in inflation under your economic proposals?

Garvin

3,209 posts

129 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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JagLover said:
Let's go Corbyn neutral by Christmas
It would be a good Christmas present indeed.

As to whether JC will resign if he loses another GE. Well he didn’t when he lost a vote of no confidence so I doubt he will resign over another GE loss! If Labour take a beating in line with the current polls and JC remains as leader then it must surely signify the beginning of the end of Labour.

Elysium

4,524 posts

139 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Johnnytheboy said:
If he loses his second GE will he resign?
I hope he does. Our democracy requires a credible opposition party.





turbobloke

88,866 posts

212 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Garvin said:
JagLover said:
Let's go Corbyn neutral by Christmas
It would be a good Christmas present indeed.

As to whether JC will resign if he loses another GE. Well he didn’t when he lost a vote of no confidence so I doubt he will resign over another GE loss! If Labour take a beating in line with the current polls and JC remains as leader then it must surely signify the beginning of the end of Labour.
Hopefully Corbyn will stay put but a McDonnell take-over would be the next best thing.

ORD

14,004 posts

79 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Elysium said:
I hope he does. Our democracy requires a credible opposition party.
Credible as in "sensible", rather than "capable of winning an election". This bunch of lefty loons are doing just fine in the polls.

CambsBill

991 posts

130 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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turbobloke said:
Hopefully Corbyn will stay put but a McDonnell take-over would be the next best thing.
I can't see the party ultimately allowing it though - Corbyn would be 75 in 5 years time, McDonnell 73, hardly likely to appeal to the younger voters.

Isaac Hunt

11,011 posts

163 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Two energy suppliers have transferred their companies offshore to avoid nationalisation if Corbyn gets in.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7721489/P...

Will that strengthen the resolve of the Labour voter?

turbobloke

88,866 posts

212 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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CambsBill said:
turbobloke said:
Hopefully Corbyn will stay put but a McDonnell take-over would be the next best thing.
I can't see the party ultimately allowing it though - Corbyn would be 75 in 5 years time, McDonnell 73, hardly likely to appeal to the younger voters.
Yet at the present time Corbyn is meant to be appealing to younger voters!

You've got the idea though, I'd prefer a Labour Party that has the likes of Corbyn and McDonnell in charge as they are more unelectable.

The idea of a strong opposition is an odd one. Any opposition facing a government with a working majority is effectively impotent. All they can legislate for is their own hot air (and salary, and expenses, where agreement is more likely).

The Lords is another matter, they can interfere and block legislation (rather than hone it) if the numbers are wrong and that needs to be prevented.

Speeches are ho hum, votes count.

rxe

3,154 posts

55 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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You want a viable opposition to hold the government to account and stop stupid policies - on both sides. Even if they are nowhere near power, the fact that they are credible and asking hard questions is enough. One of the reasons the Conservatives have been so crap is that Labour have descended into madness.

turbobloke

88,866 posts

212 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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rxe said:
You want a viable opposition to hold the government to account and stop stupid policies
When a government has a working majority can you explain how an opposition alone can stop a stupid policy (put to one side that stupid may not be how others see it, just explain the mechanism please). Amendments can be put down then voted down. It requires government consent to amend legislation (blocking via Lords numbers isn't about HM Opposition).

jakesmith

6,338 posts

123 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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turbobloke said:
rxe said:
You want a viable opposition to hold the government to account and stop stupid policies
When a government has a working majority can you explain how an opposition alone can stop a stupid policy (put to one side that stupid may not be how others see it, just explain the mechanism please). Amendments can be put down then voted down. It requires government consent to amend legislation (blocking via Lords numbers isn't about HM Opposition).
Obviously it is indirect - because if they are credible, argue well, work effectively with the media, present a logical or more appealingcounter to government proposals, they can influence public opinion & that puts pressure on the government. The government frequently u-turns on proposals that don't play well with the public and an effective opposition can contribute to that

turbobloke

88,866 posts

212 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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jakesmith said:
turbobloke said:
rxe said:
You want a viable opposition to hold the government to account and stop stupid policies
When a government has a working majority can you explain how an opposition alone can stop a stupid policy (put to one side that stupid may not be how others see it, just explain the mechanism please). Amendments can be put down then voted down. It requires government consent to amend legislation (blocking via Lords numbers isn't about HM Opposition).
Obviously it is indirect - because if they are credible, argue well, work effectively with the media, present a logical or more appealing counter to government proposals, they can influence public opinion & that puts pressure on the government. The government frequently u-turns on proposals that don't play well with the public and an effective opposition can contribute to that
Certainly public opinion can change policy, so indirect influence exists. Even so, if a government is determined to go down its preferred path there's nothing HM Opposition can do about it, with or without the public voice behind them. This may lead to subsequent electoral defeat, but a self-inflicted one. The Lords can block legislation tabled by an elected government in the Commons and that needs to be sorted. The Parliament Act(s) have limited scope iirc.

CambsBill

991 posts

130 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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turbobloke said:
When a government has a working majority can you explain how an opposition alone can stop a stupid policy (put to one side that stupid may not be how others see it, just explain the mechanism please). Amendments can be put down then voted down. It requires government consent to amend legislation (blocking via Lords numbers isn't about HM Opposition).
If nothing else, a credible, coherent opposition keeps any government keenly aware that they might lose their majority at the next election and have their dafter enactments reversed.

motco

12,922 posts

198 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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I wonder how many people heard what I heard on R4 'Today' last week with regard to McDonnell?
He is a "...one-time trainee Catholic priest..." yikes