2020 Retailers in trouble thread
Discussion
Thankyou4calling said:
But you are correct. Tell someone an egg is from a chicken running round a field and it’s delicious. Yell em the same egg has been battery produced it’s foul ( pun intended)
The truth is most can’t tell the difference except in their pocket.
"Free range" is the latest buzz phrase to get people shoving their money in your hands. The company I work for is all "free range" branding and marketing and we can't produce the stuff quick enough. From my own taste tests of our stuff vs competitors there is absolutely no difference in taste The truth is most can’t tell the difference except in their pocket.
. In fact I prefer the competitor's stuff if I had to choose one 
.The taste for raw food stuffs is often due to the feed rather than their environment. Good nutritious feed costs money = lower profits. You can guess the rest. That's it in a nutshell.
Lemming Train said:
To those of you fawning over farm shops, you do realise that much of their stock is bought in chilled or frozen from wholesalers such as Weddel Swift? The notion that some have of farmer Giles breeding his own personal cows then chopping them up in the back to sell fresh in his farm shop display cabinet is about as far detached from reality as it gets. It's just not cost effective for them to do it. I do livestock transport as a sideline job and the vast majority of cattle, pigs and sheep get carted off to an abattoir for the commercial markets. I'm regularly at Woodhead's at Colne and occasionally Dunbia at Sawley abattoirs from farms all over Lancs.
For poultry, whilst not my area of expertise, I do know for a fact that some farm shops buy it in wholesale from 2 Sisters - the same company that supply the big supermarket chains such as Tesco. It's the exact same stuff!
The mention of the word "farm" somewhere on the label gives people a warm, fuzzy feeling that they're supporting their local farmers, but it's all a load of nonsense and marketing guff. Hence why Tesco changed their pork branding to Woodside Farms - a completely ficticious "farm" but people think because it's got the word "farm" on the label then it must be good quality when the reality is that it's their lowest grade budget range pork offering, imported from the other side of the world from poor welfare producers and tastes like utter garbage.
Buyer beware!
You are right there is a lot of manipulation going on. At the beginning of lockdown the local Facebook groups were awash with ‘local farm’ veg and fruit boxes. I’m not sure where in Yorkshire they grow bananas, oranges or the out of season veg. But all from ‘local farmers’ and ‘support local’.For poultry, whilst not my area of expertise, I do know for a fact that some farm shops buy it in wholesale from 2 Sisters - the same company that supply the big supermarket chains such as Tesco. It's the exact same stuff!
The mention of the word "farm" somewhere on the label gives people a warm, fuzzy feeling that they're supporting their local farmers, but it's all a load of nonsense and marketing guff. Hence why Tesco changed their pork branding to Woodside Farms - a completely ficticious "farm" but people think because it's got the word "farm" on the label then it must be good quality when the reality is that it's their lowest grade budget range pork offering, imported from the other side of the world from poor welfare producers and tastes like utter garbage.
Buyer beware!
Edited by Lemming Train on Tuesday 7th July 21:49
The mother in law brought some of her amazing local farm eggs round. I wasn’t impressed and had a look at the box. The code showed they were those furnished cage eggs or whatever the latest fluffy name is. She outright still refuses to believe they are not From wild running, pampered birds as they are from the farm shop.
There is a farm shop near me that only sells 3 types of veg and it’s badly packed. So I give them the benefit of the doubt. Not sure they particularly advertise were their meat is from though. But I’ve never seen any animals in the fields outside.
Lemming Train said:
Thankyou4calling said:
But you are correct. Tell someone an egg is from a chicken running round a field and it’s delicious. Yell em the same egg has been battery produced it’s foul ( pun intended)
The truth is most can’t tell the difference except in their pocket.
"Free range" is the latest buzz phrase to get people shoving their money in your hands. The company I work for is all "free range" branding and marketing and we can't produce the stuff quick enough. From my own taste tests of our stuff vs competitors there is absolutely no difference in taste The truth is most can’t tell the difference except in their pocket.
. In fact I prefer the competitor's stuff if I had to choose one .The taste for raw food stuffs is often due to the feed rather than their environment. Good nutritious feed costs money = lower profits. You can guess the rest. That's it in a nutshell.
egor110 said:
Lemming Train said:
Thankyou4calling said:
But you are correct. Tell someone an egg is from a chicken running round a field and it’s delicious. Yell em the same egg has been battery produced it’s foul ( pun intended)
The truth is most can’t tell the difference except in their pocket.
"Free range" is the latest buzz phrase to get people shoving their money in your hands. The company I work for is all "free range" branding and marketing and we can't produce the stuff quick enough. From my own taste tests of our stuff vs competitors there is absolutely no difference in taste The truth is most can’t tell the difference except in their pocket.
. In fact I prefer the competitor's stuff if I had to choose one .The taste for raw food stuffs is often due to the feed rather than their environment. Good nutritious feed costs money = lower profits. You can guess the rest. That's it in a nutshell.
having them caged up or spending all their lives isn't ideal.If you can afford 5p more an egg then should get free range, if money is tight then get caged as nutritionally eggs are great.
Lemming Train said:
To those of you fawning over farm shops, you do realise that much of their stock is bought in chilled or frozen from wholesalers such as Weddel Swift? The notion that some have of farmer Giles breeding his own personal cows then chopping them up in the back to sell fresh in his farm shop display cabinet is about as far detached from reality as it gets. It's just not cost effective for them to do it. I do livestock transport as a sideline job and the vast majority of cattle, pigs and sheep get carted off to an abattoir for the commercial markets. I'm regularly at Woodhead's at Colne and occasionally Dunbia at Sawley abattoirs from farms all over Lancs.
For poultry, whilst not my area of expertise, I do know for a fact that some farm shops buy it in wholesale from 2 Sisters - the same company that supply the big supermarket chains such as Tesco. It's the exact same stuff!
The mention of the word "farm" somewhere on the label gives people a warm, fuzzy feeling that they're supporting their local farmers, but it's all a load of nonsense and marketing guff. Hence why Tesco changed their pork branding to Woodside Farms - a completely ficticious "farm" but people think because it's got the word "farm" on the label then it must be good quality when the reality is that it's their lowest grade budget range pork offering, imported from the other side of the world from poor welfare producers and tastes like utter garbage.
Buyer beware!
Some do, some don't. The farm shop I do breed their own pigs, however they don't keep beef. For poultry, whilst not my area of expertise, I do know for a fact that some farm shops buy it in wholesale from 2 Sisters - the same company that supply the big supermarket chains such as Tesco. It's the exact same stuff!
The mention of the word "farm" somewhere on the label gives people a warm, fuzzy feeling that they're supporting their local farmers, but it's all a load of nonsense and marketing guff. Hence why Tesco changed their pork branding to Woodside Farms - a completely ficticious "farm" but people think because it's got the word "farm" on the label then it must be good quality when the reality is that it's their lowest grade budget range pork offering, imported from the other side of the world from poor welfare producers and tastes like utter garbage.
Buyer beware!
Edited by Lemming Train on Tuesday 7th July 21:49
I'm sure I watched some TV programme where they showed veg being graded, sorted for bad ones, washed and polished, and then right at the end of the process, the gleamings carrots and potatoes were given a sprinkling of earth to give a more natural/wholesome/organic appearance to customers so they could sell them for more money.
hyphen said:
Looking through the news, ongoing bad news. River Island sacking 150 hq jobs and so on. Redundancies across all sectors.
Sunaks mini budget better deliver more than stamp duty exemption and (the usual) homeowner green deal crap.
As a lot of people are going to be seriously struggling
The Chancellor does not get it; He thinks chucking money at the economy will save it - he's wrong.Sunaks mini budget better deliver more than stamp duty exemption and (the usual) homeowner green deal crap.
As a lot of people are going to be seriously struggling
There' two simple reasons no one is spending money:
a) A lot of people are too scared to go outside - Government policy caused this.
b) A lot of people won't go and spend money (shops, pubs, restaurants etc) because of the hassle factor and because it's so un-enjoyable now - Government policy caused this.
hyphen said:
Looking through the news, ongoing bad news. River Island sacking 150 hq jobs and so on. Redundancies across all sectors.
Sunaks mini budget better deliver more than stamp duty exemption and (the usual) homeowner green deal crap.
As a lot of people are going to be seriously struggling
Tip of the iceberg I feel for what is going to follow when the artificial support is pulled completely. Sunaks mini budget better deliver more than stamp duty exemption and (the usual) homeowner green deal crap.
As a lot of people are going to be seriously struggling
As for the stamp duty holiday, feels far too soon to my mind. Housing figures suggest its still enjoying a pent up demand post-lockdown. Why not play this card in 6 - 12 months when the real sticky stuff comes to be and even those comfortable are deciding against big spending when the world around them is burning? A stamp duty holiday then might keep the wheels turning.
Introducing it now just benefits those who were 99% going to move anyway, rather than artificially re-starts an otherwise static market.Furthermore, my worry would be if people are tempted to move up the ladder by virtue of the stamp duty holiday (where they might not otherwise), you are tempting many to increase their borrowing ahead of what will be a brutal time of job losses in the forthcoming future.
snuffy said:
The Chancellor does not get it; He thinks chucking money at the economy will save it - he's wrong.
There' two simple reasons no one is spending money:
a) A lot of people are too scared to go outside - Government policy caused this.
b) A lot of people won't go and spend money (shops, pubs, restaurants etc) because of the hassle factor and because it's so un-enjoyable now - Government policy caused this.
And c) People can look ahead and see a whole world of pain that they would benefit from having less debt/more savings.There' two simple reasons no one is spending money:
a) A lot of people are too scared to go outside - Government policy caused this.
b) A lot of people won't go and spend money (shops, pubs, restaurants etc) because of the hassle factor and because it's so un-enjoyable now - Government policy caused this.
hyphen said:
There was talk last week on the papers that government may give out £500 to everyone, to be spent at physical retailers.
That would get people back out (although Amazon would sue probably for discrimination).
Wasnt it more that a Think Tank came up with that idea and the media managed to report it as government policy?That would get people back out (although Amazon would sue probably for discrimination).
snuffy said:
Wasnt it more that a Think Tank came up with that idea and the media managed to report it as government policy?
As is the way with most government initiaitives these days, the idea was floated in the media over the weekend to see how it went down. It would be expensive though, 30 billion, and would it make that much difference? Probably more difference though than this stamp duty nonesense.RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I saw a headline that the government will fund 6 months of wages for businesses taking on 16-24 year olds. In which case, what chance would you have as a 25-30 year old competing against them in the jobs market?
none at all but who cares about them. We seem to have grown back the magic money tree so I am left quite uninspired by the ideas being thrown about at the moment...but nice to know Tesco and the like will get yet more support from the tax payer.
Shnozz said:
As for the stamp duty holiday, feels far too soon to my mind. Housing figures suggest its still enjoying a pent up demand post-lockdown. Why not play this card in 6 - 12 months when the real sticky stuff comes to be and even those comfortable are deciding against big spending when the world around them is burning? A stamp duty holiday then might keep the wheels turning.
I'd agree, we work in the automotive industry (not selling cars) and its very busy for us now but i am sure that's just pent up demand. Not sure how it'll be in a few months when this has died off but then the economy may have picked up a fair bit more. It's on its way now. Remember we're only just coming out of lockdown and there's a lot of pent up demand for a lot of things. snuffy said:
hyphen said:
There was talk last week on the papers that government may give out £500 to everyone, to be spent at physical retailers.
That would get people back out (although Amazon would sue probably for discrimination).
Wasnt it more that a Think Tank came up with that idea and the media managed to report it as government policy?That would get people back out (although Amazon would sue probably for discrimination).
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