Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?

Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?

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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

11,544 posts

59 months

Monday 1st March
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Not looking where he was going?

turbobloke

92,861 posts

224 months

Monday 1st March
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Not looking where he was going?
smile

The last dance is what people recall, not the first, I suspect Boris is getting some credit transfers from the binary brigade for the vaccine rollout which - apart from being immensely successful in domestic terms - is also showing the clods of the EU for what they can be.

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

11,544 posts

59 months

Monday 1st March
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I believe Starmer has become so anonymous his Crimewatch picture could be a mannequin carefully liberated from the window of a defunct Topshop and nobody would be any the wiser.

turbobloke

92,861 posts

224 months

Monday 1st March
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I believe Starmer has become so anonymous his Crimewatch picture could be a mannequin carefully liberated from the window of a defunct Topshop and nobody would be any the wiser.
Many sitting labour MPs depend on the mannequin factor. If Starmer had been anything remotely resembling Corbyn they'd be in a right pickle in the polls now. The irony is that Starmer loyally supported Corbyn's loony policies from his opposition shadow cabinet role and hasn't formally ditched anything. Spot the difference - anonymity.

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

11,544 posts

59 months

Monday 1st March
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It doesn't help Labour's cause that his policies are generally "whatever the Tories are doing but a bit [more or less (delete as appropriate)]"

turbobloke

92,861 posts

224 months

Monday 1st March
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
It doesn't help Labour's cause that his policies are generally "whatever the Tories are doing but a bit [more or less (delete as appropriate)]"
Indeed that's the result of listening but not that many people are still listening. OK, fewer and dropping sharply (see DeltaPoll).

bitchstewie

33,224 posts

174 months

Monday 1st March
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I believe Starmer has become so anonymous his Crimewatch picture could be a mannequin carefully liberated from the window of a defunct Topshop and nobody would be any the wiser.
Not far off.

In the middle of a pandemic I don't really know what the opportunities are to raise his profile?

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

11,544 posts

59 months

Monday 1st March
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bhstewie said:
Not far off.

In the middle of a pandemic I don't really know what the opportunities are to raise his profile?
The movement in the polls tells us he must have a profile, and an opportunity to influence it, as he's managed to grow and shrink in satisfaction rating significantly during the pandemic.

Over the past 3 or 4 months he's appeared half hearted at best. Not the stuff to inspire.

768

8,326 posts

60 months

Monday 1st March
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bhstewie said:
Not far off.

In the middle of a pandemic I don't really know what the opportunities are to raise his profile?
Maybe he could slate Rishi Sunak for having a bluetooth coffee mug paid for by his wife, then expense an Apple pencil against the taxpayer?

bitchstewie

33,224 posts

174 months

Monday 1st March
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768 said:
Maybe he could slate Rishi Sunak for having a bluetooth coffee mug paid for by his wife, then expense an Apple pencil against the taxpayer?
hehe

Yes I was just reading the expenses piece.

Spectacularly daft when all this stuff gets made public.

andy43

7,265 posts

218 months

Monday 1st March
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I believe Starmer has become so anonymous his Crimewatch manifesto picture could be a mannequin carefully liberated from the window of a defunct Topshop taken from a Sennokot advert and nobody would be any the wiser.
FTFY.
He has been looking more bunged up than usual...

amusingduck

9,172 posts

100 months

Monday 1st March
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768 said:
bluetooth coffee mug
rofl

Wombat3

10,030 posts

170 months

Monday 1st March
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jakesmith said:
Tony427 said:
loafer123 said:
Vanden Saab said:
Really? Personally I think the Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care would be perfect. Now there is a PM in waiting if ever I saw one.
I love the fact that even a proponent of his skills couldn't recall his name and had to use his title instead.

I looked him up...apparently it is Jonathan Ashworth.

Means nothing? Certainly didn't to me, so here's a photo;



Personally, I'm still none the wiser.
I believe VDS was only "joshing"......
He didn't mean it, it was just a bit of fun! That's why Corbyn didn't sack him - Corbyn is known for his fantastic sense of humour and it was all in jest.
His wife has recently taken Labour to court to get them to release some information.

High Court Judge has termed it a "fishing expedition" and ruled against her. Permission to appeal denied and costs awarded to Labour!

Oops! You couldn't make it up.

Will be a bit prickly round the Ashworth dinner table tonight methinks! rofl

Andy 308GTB

2,349 posts

185 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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The natives are becoming restless

Sir Keir Starmer's critics in Labour become increasingly vocal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56246532

He really needed to come in and take the party by the scruff of the neck. Booting out RLB was seemingly a token gesture, the grass was trimmed but is growing back stronger. I give him a year.

turbobloke

92,861 posts

224 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Andy 308GTB said:
The natives are becoming restless

Sir Keir Starmer's critics in Labour become increasingly vocal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56246532

He really needed to come in and take the party by the scruff of the neck. Booting out RLB was seemingly a token gesture, the grass was trimmed but is growing back stronger. I give him a year.
Somebody already gave him crayons. He's lovin' it.

Dr Doofenshmirtz

12,720 posts

164 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Labour typically do well after a long spell of Conservative leadership...you know, when the economy is in good shape, businesses doing well etc. After the pandemic and a massive, massive eye watering bill there is literally no free money trees growing for a Labour government to spend...so where does that leave them? Nowhere to go I would say.
Starmer may as well sit on the sidelines for at least the next 10 years. Starting off with nothing is not where Labour can help right now.

Tankrizzo

5,824 posts

157 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Andy 308GTB said:
The natives are becoming restless

Sir Keir Starmer's critics in Labour become increasingly vocal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56246532

He really needed to come in and take the party by the scruff of the neck. Booting out RLB was seemingly a token gesture, the grass was trimmed but is growing back stronger. I give him a year.
To be fair, the two guys who have put their names to this were prime Momentards in the Corbyn era. And Burgon is the village idiot's village idiot. But it does mean Starmer has to tread more carefully. I don't know what sway the hard left have in the PLP these days.

PushedDover

3,247 posts

17 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Tankrizzo said:
And Burgon is the village idiot's village idiot.
hehe

Murph7355

28,880 posts

220 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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bhstewie said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I believe Starmer has become so anonymous his Crimewatch picture could be a mannequin carefully liberated from the window of a defunct Topshop and nobody would be any the wiser.
Not far off.

In the middle of a pandemic I don't really know what the opportunities are to raise his profile?
Leave the pandemic broadly alone as it's way too emotive and divisive across the spectrum. You poke one side, you alienate the other. And he cannot afford to alienate anyone at present. The last election proved that beyond doubt.

By all means question obviously dumb actions, but those aren't quite as clear cut as some round here (;)) seem to think.

Focus nearly every ounce of energy on deciding what the Labour party is to be. Deal with that structurally and very transparently/loudly. And from there, start to build policies that people will believe in.

Having people like Rayner, Anneliese Dodds, Ashworth etc up front all the time is not a winning strategy. He has to have strong actual policy with strong people delivering the message (I wouldn't take a packed lunch from those three as examples, and I'm not convinced they'd be able to deliver one anyway).

"But look at the crew Boris has"? Indeed. So it should be a piece of piss to get something better stood up front. That it isn't just shines more of a light on what Starmer needs to do, and perhaps perversely (to some) makes him look even more useless.

I'd also suggest he shouldn't simply try and do the opposite of what Johnson is doing. If he believes some of their policies are in the right direction, be candid about it and put the case for being able to deliver on them better.

At the moment he seems to be doing nothing. I hope for the country's sake he isn't, otherwise there should be no surprise if the Tories get an even bigger majority next time out. I genuinely think we have seen them at their weakest. Any govt would have been at this stage. The ability to show a clean pair of heals to them should have been at its greatest in the last 12mths.

It will only get harder from here, and Starmer looks like he's done barely anything. I wonder how much of that is down to the heavily fragmented nature of his party and its followers. Everyone makes much of Tory division. I suspect it is nothing compared to Labour.

I think the time has passed for it, but one it may have been in the country's best interests if both major parties had split in two. That said, the debacle of the HoP under May's reign probably shows what would have happened and that would not have been healthy.

Short Grain

1,528 posts

184 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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amusingduck said:


Why has Starmer fallen off a cliff?
Camped on the edge?