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amusingduck said:
Interesting analysis of the security guard shooting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvwkgWbfC-w
I thought he'd have a pretty strong case for self defence. Apparently not - it seems Colorado law requires proportionate response, and that your actions are the only remedy (unlike Wisconsin with the Rittenhouse case)
Interesting. I did a bit wonder about the response being proportionate at the time, but I thought mace=gun in terms of 'being a weapon'. I'd also not considered differences in law between states.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvwkgWbfC-w
I thought he'd have a pretty strong case for self defence. Apparently not - it seems Colorado law requires proportionate response, and that your actions are the only remedy (unlike Wisconsin with the Rittenhouse case)
I wonder now if a few months down the line the charges might be upped.
In terms of being a weapon.
i.e. As being armed. Mace would disable you; put you on the floor, blinded and temporarily disabled. That's a weapon.
If he had a knife, would that have justified it for you?
Can you buy mace in the UK? No. Why? Because it's restricted in a similar manner as a firearm.
i.e. As being armed. Mace would disable you; put you on the floor, blinded and temporarily disabled. That's a weapon.
If he had a knife, would that have justified it for you?
Can you buy mace in the UK? No. Why? Because it's restricted in a similar manner as a firearm.
Edited by jimmyjimjim on Saturday 24th October 15:41
jimmyjimjim said:
In terms of being a weapon.
i.e. As being armed. Mace would disable you; put you on the floor, blinded and temporarily disabled. That's a weapon.
If he had a knife, would that have justified it for you?
Can you buy mace in the UK? No. Why? Because it's restricted in a similar manner as a firearm.
Absolute balls! One is a temporary irritation the other is a terminal hole! They are not in the same league, why can’t you see this?i.e. As being armed. Mace would disable you; put you on the floor, blinded and temporarily disabled. That's a weapon.
If he had a knife, would that have justified it for you?
Can you buy mace in the UK? No. Why? Because it's restricted in a similar manner as a firearm.
Edited by jimmyjimjim on Saturday 24th October 15:41
Personally, I wouldn't care to be blinded by mace in the middle of a riot, but although I live 20 minutes away from there, I'm not thick enough to get involved.
How would you compare a skateboard to mace?
That was the comparison I was using, as many others have been.
Again, you might consider how UK law treats firearms and mace.
How would you compare a skateboard to mace?
That was the comparison I was using, as many others have been.
Again, you might consider how UK law treats firearms and mace.
jimmyjimjim said:
Personally, I wouldn't care to be blinded by mace in the middle of a riot, but although I live 20 minutes away from there, I'm not thick enough to get involved.
How would you compare a skateboard to mace?
That was the comparison I was using, as many others have been.
Again, you might consider how UK law treats firearms and mace.
And we wonder in the U.K. why the US has such a high death rate at the hands of guns! You’ve nailed it. Kid waiving skateboard or beard dude with mace is fair game for a 5.56 through the chest or 9mm through the head. How would you compare a skateboard to mace?
That was the comparison I was using, as many others have been.
Again, you might consider how UK law treats firearms and mace.
In the U.K. the same scenario would just see people punch them in the head or walk away leaving them to be dealt with by the police, sometimes both.
Boom78 said:
And we wonder in the U.K. why the US has such a high death rate at the hands of guns! You’ve nailed it. Kid waiving skateboard or beard dude with mace is fair game for a 5.56 through the chest or 9mm through the head.
In the U.K. the same scenario would just see people punch them in the head or walk away leaving them to be dealt with by the police, sometimes both.
In the first 9 months of 2019 there were 25,890 firearm related homicides in Mexico. That's about six times as many murders per 100,000 people as in the U.S.In the U.K. the same scenario would just see people punch them in the head or walk away leaving them to be dealt with by the police, sometimes both.
The surprising thing is that there is only one gun store in the whole country, and Mexico has some of the toughest anti gun laws in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l91pWLzPwzI
So what happens? As with all things made illegal, alcohol, drugs etc. criminals see a business opportunity, as they have in the UK.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/12/world/europe/ha...
jimmyjimjim said:
Personally, I wouldn't care to be blinded by mace in the middle of a riot, but although I live 20 minutes away from there, I'm not thick enough to get involved.
How would you compare a skateboard to mace?
That was the comparison I was using, as many others have been.
Again, you might consider how UK law treats firearms and mace.
It does rase the question if you are in a riot or protest situation is there a reasonable assumption that you might get maced? So to claim to kill someone in sell difference because they maced you is questionable at best. How would you compare a skateboard to mace?
That was the comparison I was using, as many others have been.
Again, you might consider how UK law treats firearms and mace.
If you was just walking down the street and someone did it yes but not when you actively choice to be in a type of situation where there is a good chance it might happen no.
NMNeil said:
Boom78 said:
And we wonder in the U.K. why the US has such a high death rate at the hands of guns! You’ve nailed it. Kid waiving skateboard or beard dude with mace is fair game for a 5.56 through the chest or 9mm through the head.
In the U.K. the same scenario would just see people punch them in the head or walk away leaving them to be dealt with by the police, sometimes both.
In the first 9 months of 2019 there were 25,890 firearm related homicides in Mexico. That's about six times as many murders per 100,000 people as in the U.S.In the U.K. the same scenario would just see people punch them in the head or walk away leaving them to be dealt with by the police, sometimes both.
The surprising thing is that there is only one gun store in the whole country, and Mexico has some of the toughest anti gun laws in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l91pWLzPwzI
So what happens? As with all things made illegal, alcohol, drugs etc. criminals see a business opportunity, as they have in the UK.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/12/world/europe/ha...
Edited by skyrover on Sunday 25th October 06:09
skyrover said:
The majority of murders commited in the US are gang related, much of it imported from Mesoamerica.
And almost all of those murders are over territorial disputes related to selling drugs.Edited by skyrover on Sunday 25th October 06:09
Don't get me wrong, if they want to kill each other off I'm fine with that.
NMNeil said:
Boom78 said:
And we wonder in the U.K. why the US has such a high death rate at the hands of guns! You’ve nailed it. Kid waiving skateboard or beard dude with mace is fair game for a 5.56 through the chest or 9mm through the head.
In the U.K. the same scenario would just see people punch them in the head or walk away leaving them to be dealt with by the police, sometimes both.
In the first 9 months of 2019 there were 25,890 firearm related homicides in Mexico. That's about six times as many murders per 100,000 people as in the U.S.In the U.K. the same scenario would just see people punch them in the head or walk away leaving them to be dealt with by the police, sometimes both.
The surprising thing is that there is only one gun store in the whole country, and Mexico has some of the toughest anti gun laws in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l91pWLzPwzI
So what happens? As with all things made illegal, alcohol, drugs etc. criminals see a business opportunity, as they have in the UK.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/12/world/europe/ha...
30 officers hurt as rioting erupted in Philly after police shoot and kill a man named Walter Wallace.
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/crowds-...
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/crowds-...
Carl_Manchester said:
30 officers hurt as rioting erupted in Philly after police shoot and kill a man named Walter Wallace.
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/crowds-...
What's the world coming to when you can't aggressively walk towards a police officer holding a knife without getting shot?!https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/crowds-...
g4ry13 said:
Carl_Manchester said:
30 officers hurt as rioting erupted in Philly after police shoot and kill a man named Walter Wallace.
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/crowds-...
What's the world coming to when you can't aggressively walk towards a police officer holding a knife without getting shot?!https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/crowds-...
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