Sir Ed Davey - Lib. Dem Leader
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:pquinn said:
I think most people have forgotten the Lib Dems even exist.
Not even useful for a protest vote.
If I'm being generous perhaps it's different at a local level but at a national level yes they seem to have simply disappeared from the conversation.Not even useful for a protest vote.
They hadn't entered my thoughts for years.
I met the late Charles Kennedy about fifteen years ago and he came across, as a very intelligent man with a sense of humour. I think the Liberal Democrats now are a shadow of what they were. I don't even know what they stand for, although to be fair, that could apply to all the main parties at the moment.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: No idea what the local performance translates to in a General Election.
I’m not sure it does at all. The LDs always do better in local stuff and there was a shift from blue to yellow instead of red partly as a protest.
When it comes to the national, there will be a much bigger question at stake and I’d be surprised to see votes going the same way.
At this point, it surely has to be a straight fight between the big two come the GE.
fat80b said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: No idea what the local performance translates to in a General Election.
I’m not sure it does at all. The LDs always do better in local stuff and there was a shift from blue to yellow instead of red partly as a protest.
When it comes to the national, there will be a much bigger question at stake and I’d be surprised to see votes going the same way.
At this point, it surely has to be a straight fight between the big two come the GE.
Having seen one of their local campaigns in action, and apparently ending successfully too, their pattern seems to still be to spend a stload of cash on publishing an unending stream of campaign material (usually full of slightly iffy claims), candidates putting in the leg work but again being pretty liberal with facts (local 'doctor' who included their covid vaccine efforts in their bio isnt that sort of doctor...), plus too often doing stitch ups to run with little opposition - local stuff here ended up somehow as basically a 2 horse race.
Their spending appears to be massive and I'm not sure I see how they fund it.
On the upside they now have to try to make good on their promises to be less st than their opposition...
tload of cash on publishing an unending stream of campaign material (usually full of slightly iffy claims), candidates putting in the leg work but again being pretty liberal with facts (local 'doctor' who included their covid vaccine efforts in their bio isnt that sort of doctor...), plus too often doing stitch ups to run with little opposition - local stuff here ended up somehow as basically a 2 horse race.Their spending appears to be massive and I'm not sure I see how they fund it.
On the upside they now have to try to make good on their promises to be less s
t than their opposition...pquinn said:
Having seen one of their local campaigns in action, and apparently ending successfully too, their pattern seems to still be to spend a stload of cash on publishing an unending stream of campaign material (usually full of slightly iffy claims), candidates putting in the leg work but again being pretty liberal with facts (local 'doctor' who included their covid vaccine efforts in their bio isnt that sort of doctor...), plus too often doing stitch ups to run with little opposition - local stuff here ended up somehow as basically a 2 horse race.
Their spending appears to be massive and I'm not sure I see how they fund it.
On the upside they now have to try to make good on their promises to be less st than their opposition...
You do talk a staggering amount of nonsense. They run on a shoe string budget. The reason they manage to shove leaflets through your door is because they're cheap to produce and they're delivered by unpaid volunteers.tload of cash on publishing an unending stream of campaign material (usually full of slightly iffy claims), candidates putting in the leg work but again being pretty liberal with facts (local 'doctor' who included their covid vaccine efforts in their bio isnt that sort of doctor...), plus too often doing stitch ups to run with little opposition - local stuff here ended up somehow as basically a 2 horse race.Their spending appears to be massive and I'm not sure I see how they fund it.
On the upside they now have to try to make good on their promises to be less s
t than their opposition...Johnnytheboy said:
Yes, I'm often tempted to paraphrase Voltaire's remark about the Holy Roman Empire.
I also find myself rather politically homeless. While I'd far rather vote on ideology than political events, I want to vote for the party of low public spending, and there isn't one.
If there is to be low public spending, who or what will fund the gap? It ain't gonna be the private sector.I also find myself rather politically homeless. While I'd far rather vote on ideology than political events, I want to vote for the party of low public spending, and there isn't one.
I live in a constituency that has been tory since its inception. The LDs have made significant inroads into local government, mainly, I feel, because the local tories are out of their depth. They had dozens on council meetings in camera, and now we get to know what goes on. The tories wrecked the town centra of my town and tried to close the library and did close a council run meeting centre. Both ensured footfall during the day. Madness.
Locally, they ask people who live in the area their problems and what the council can do to help. They answer emails quickly and actually answer the question asked, something the tories fail to do.
They view my constituency as one they can win, although they admit the odds are against them. It's on the limit. They are making friends though, and being talked of. If they win here, and the change is similar nationwide, the tories will struggle to mount an opposition post GE if labour do well. It's highly unlikely, I know, but it is not impossible. All it takes is one more mistake, or internecine battle, to push them beyond the pale. I mean, as if.
I want a hung parliament, with labour and the LDs having to cooperate, and where there's a difference, compromise.
Locally, they ask people who live in the area their problems and what the council can do to help. They answer emails quickly and actually answer the question asked, something the tories fail to do.
They view my constituency as one they can win, although they admit the odds are against them. It's on the limit. They are making friends though, and being talked of. If they win here, and the change is similar nationwide, the tories will struggle to mount an opposition post GE if labour do well. It's highly unlikely, I know, but it is not impossible. All it takes is one more mistake, or internecine battle, to push them beyond the pale. I mean, as if.
I want a hung parliament, with labour and the LDs having to cooperate, and where there's a difference, compromise.
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