Welsh lockdown

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bmwmike

3,144 posts

72 months

Friday 5th February
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No doubt its a good start, but is anyone really vaccinated until the second dose is injected?

Evanivitch

8,798 posts

86 months

Friday 5th February
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bmwmike said:
No doubt its a good start, but is anyone really vaccinated until the second dose is injected?
Yes and no. Oxford jab reduces transmission by 67% and greatly reduces the likelihood of clinical intervention for at least the 12 week interval until the second jab.

ATG

17,614 posts

236 months

Saturday 6th February
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Evanivitch said:
bmwmike said:
No doubt its a good start, but is anyone really vaccinated until the second dose is injected?
Yes and no. Oxford jab reduces transmission by 67% and greatly reduces the likelihood of clinical intervention for at least the 12 week interval until the second jab.
And that reduction in transmission obviously crushes the R number, so if the objective is to reduce the level of overall infection in the population and you can immunise large numbers of people quickly, them the first dose is much more effective than the second, so you concentrate on getting as many people as possible that first dose.

bmwmike

3,144 posts

72 months

Saturday 6th February
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Evanivitch said:
bmwmike said:
No doubt its a good start, but is anyone really vaccinated until the second dose is injected?
Yes and no. Oxford jab reduces transmission by 67% and greatly reduces the likelihood of clinical intervention for at least the 12 week interval until the second jab.
So the second jab at 12 weeks is still the plan? I got the impression they were leaving it longer than that, but maybe im wrong. I wonder how long before the first jab "wears off"

Evanivitch

8,798 posts

86 months

Saturday 6th February
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bmwmike said:
Evanivitch said:
bmwmike said:
No doubt its a good start, but is anyone really vaccinated until the second dose is injected?
Yes and no. Oxford jab reduces transmission by 67% and greatly reduces the likelihood of clinical intervention for at least the 12 week interval until the second jab.
So the second jab at 12 weeks is still the plan? I got the impression they were leaving it longer than that, but maybe im wrong. I wonder how long before the first jab "wears off"
Can't comment on that. The evidence is still developing.

phil_cardiff

5,267 posts

172 months

Saturday 6th February
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bmwmike said:
Evanivitch said:
bmwmike said:
No doubt its a good start, but is anyone really vaccinated until the second dose is injected?
Yes and no. Oxford jab reduces transmission by 67% and greatly reduces the likelihood of clinical intervention for at least the 12 week interval until the second jab.
So the second jab at 12 weeks is still the plan? I got the impression they were leaving it longer than that, but maybe im wrong. I wonder how long before the first jab "wears off"
My father and wife have appointments 11 weeks after their first injections.

robuk

821 posts

154 months

Saturday 6th February
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556k first dose vaccines out - its picked up speed.

Rh14n

591 posts

72 months

Saturday 6th February
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robuk said:
556k first dose vaccines out - its picked up speed.
The problem has been the supply of vaccines. I work at the local surgery. Since the target of vaccinating everyone over 70 by the 15th of February was set, they've had to provide the necessary vaccines. I expect this target to be pretty much met. I work at a GP surgery and we have the capability to vaccinate at a greater speed if only we had the vaccines to do so.

Evanivitch

8,798 posts

86 months

Saturday 6th February
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Rh14n said:
The problem has been the supply of vaccines. I work at the local surgery. Since the target of vaccinating everyone over 70 by the 15th of February was set, they've had to provide the necessary vaccines. I expect this target to be pretty much met. I work at a GP surgery and we have the capability to vaccinate at a greater speed if only we had the vaccines to do so.
As brought to light by the EU dispute, the manufacturers have massively over promised the supply of vaccines. 10s of millions were supposed to be available ahead of 2021, I think there were 'only' 500k Oxford jabs in stock.

In a way, it's made a mockery of the government pre-purchasing the jabs ahead of approval. There has been some benefits, but not nearly to the scale expected.

Vanden Saab

8,170 posts

38 months

Saturday 6th February
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Rh14n said:
robuk said:
556k first dose vaccines out - its picked up speed.
The problem has been the supply of vaccines. I work at the local surgery. Since the target of vaccinating everyone over 70 by the 15th of February was set, they've had to provide the necessary vaccines. I expect this target to be pretty much met. I work at a GP surgery and we have the capability to vaccinate at a greater speed if only we had the vaccines to do so.
It seems to be the same all over, there is also levelling out to consider, If one area gets too far ahead the media would be all over it like a BMI+ victim with long covid.

swisstoni

10,652 posts

243 months

Saturday 6th February
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Evanivitch said:
Rh14n said:
The problem has been the supply of vaccines. I work at the local surgery. Since the target of vaccinating everyone over 70 by the 15th of February was set, they've had to provide the necessary vaccines. I expect this target to be pretty much met. I work at a GP surgery and we have the capability to vaccinate at a greater speed if only we had the vaccines to do so.
As brought to light by the EU dispute, the manufacturers have massively over promised the supply of vaccines. 10s of millions were supposed to be available ahead of 2021, I think there were 'only' 500k Oxford jabs in stock.

In a way, it's made a mockery of the government pre-purchasing the jabs ahead of approval. There has been some benefits, but not nearly to the scale expected.
I don’t think the people of the EU would agree with you.

Trophy Husband

3,281 posts

71 months

Saturday 6th February
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Not just the elderly. My pal who has chronic asthma and is merely 56 had his first jab yesterday. He's delighted and relieved in equal measure. Seems that decisions are being made locally by GP practices within the realms of guidance. I'm pleased for him as he's been bricking it for nearly a year.

saaby93

27,994 posts

142 months

Saturday 6th February
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Have the December Pfizer vaccines been used up yet or are they still in store?

Evanivitch

8,798 posts

86 months

Saturday 6th February
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swisstoni said:
I don’t think the people of the EU would agree with you.
And yet despite that, we only had 500,000 Oxford vaccines available at the start of January when we were supposed to have 4 milliom by end 2020 and 40 million by end of March. This was reported by the government in November.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-asks...

Now Oxford vaccine is being ramped upto 2 million a week, so what were they doing before it was approved on the 30th December? The whole intent of the upfront orders was to have stock waiting for approval.

Trophy Husband

3,281 posts

71 months

Saturday 6th February
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Evanivitch said:
And yet despite that, we only had 500,000 Oxford vaccines available at the start of January when we were supposed to have 4 milliom by end 2020 and 40 million by end of March. This was reported by the government in November.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-asks...

Now Oxford vaccine is being ramped upto 2 million a week, so what were they doing before it was approved on the 30th December? The whole intent of the upfront orders was to have stock waiting for approval.
With respect why on earth would you produce a product which is not approved in the hope that it would be? The intent of the ordering was to be first in the queue for an approved vaccine not the buyer of a dud.

Evanivitch

8,798 posts

86 months

Saturday 6th February
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Trophy Husband said:
With respect why on earth would you produce a product which is not approved in the hope that it would be? The intent of the ordering was to be first in the queue for an approved vaccine not the buyer of a dud.
Because the UK government had paid for that risk with the intent of reducing the lead time after approval to zero. AstraZeneca didn't uphold that side of the agreement for us. And they haven't for the EU. The difference being the UK approved sooner and the site in the EU is the one having manufacturing issues, not the UK one, supposedly.

buyer&seller

540 posts

142 months

Sunday 14th February
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Matt.. said:
foobies said:
North Wales police have been all over the place this weekend pulling people over. I got stopped on Saturday, then first thing this morning then this afternoon too.

All I can say is what a colossal waste of time and resources.

This afternoon, some mouth breathing cop flagged me down and asked where I was going and where I was from. So I told her. Then she made me pull forward to talk to her colleague. I pulled 2 meters forward and he kept gesturing me to pull up to him, but I stayed where I was and eventually he waddled over.

Popped his arms on the passenger windowsill of my car and asked the same two questions his colleague had asked a moment earlier? Most polite but clearly a very simple soul.

The weather here the last two days has been horrid. Below zero, lots of rain, wind, etc. No one is driving to Conwy for a BBQ or a walk round the castle.

Given the two plod I encountered this afternoon were both as fat as barrels, I’m wondering if it’s just some kind of quota of hours on the street they have to do to keep their jobs. If they didn’t have hi vis jackets and hats saying police on them, I would have assumed they were both professional chocolate testers or in charge of QC for Greggs.
So in summary... you were caught 3 times over the weekend and see the best course of action is to post on a public forum shaming the police that stopped you because of what they look like?

Seriously?

That is unbelievably pathetic.
Couldn't agree more, this "foobies" person seems a rather unpleasant individual.

foobies

138 posts

59 months

Sunday 14th February
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Matt.. said:
So in summary... you were caught 3 times over the weekend and see the best course of action is to post on a public forum shaming the police that stopped you because of what they look like?

Seriously?

That is unbelievably pathetic.
Having read my post back, I agree it was childish and pathetic, I have removed it.

I wasn’t ‘caught’ though as I had a valid reason for the trips I made.

survivalist

3,312 posts

154 months

Sunday 14th February
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Matt.. said:
foobies said:
North Wales police have been all over the place this weekend pulling people over. I got stopped on Saturday, then first thing this morning then this afternoon too.

All I can say is what a colossal waste of time and resources.

This afternoon, some mouth breathing cop flagged me down and asked where I was going and where I was from. So I told her. Then she made me pull forward to talk to her colleague. I pulled 2 meters forward and he kept gesturing me to pull up to him, but I stayed where I was and eventually he waddled over.

Popped his arms on the passenger windowsill of my car and asked the same two questions his colleague had asked a moment earlier? Most polite but clearly a very simple soul.

The weather here the last two days has been horrid. Below zero, lots of rain, wind, etc. No one is driving to Conwy for a BBQ or a walk round the castle.

Given the two plod I encountered this afternoon were both as fat as barrels, I’m wondering if it’s just some kind of quota of hours on the street they have to do to keep their jobs. If they didn’t have hi vis jackets and hats saying police on them, I would have assumed they were both professional chocolate testers or in charge of QC for Greggs.
So in summary... you were caught 3 times over the weekend and see the best course of action is to post on a public forum shaming the police that stopped you because of what they look like?

Seriously?

That is unbelievably pathetic.
Do you not think he's got a point? Rather than investigating crime they are wasting the time of law abiding citizens going about their business.

If their physiques were as described, getting close to the general public probably puts them at risk when they could have kept a government recommended distance.

Sadly, I think that some high profile incidents during the pandemic have done an exceptionally effective job of making the police unpopular with the very demographic that previously supported them.

Matt..

3,212 posts

153 months

Sunday 14th February
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survivalist said:
Do you not think he's got a point? Rather than investigating crime they are wasting the time of law abiding citizens going about their business.

If their physiques were as described, getting close to the general public probably puts them at risk when they could have kept a government recommended distance.

Sadly, I think that some high profile incidents during the pandemic have done an exceptionally effective job of making the police unpopular with the very demographic that previously supported them.
I really don’t see why physical appearance described in the way it was is appropriate.

If there’s a conversation to be had about police resource allocation and general covid rules in Wales then that’s fine, but that should be discussed in a sensible manner.

This forum seriously needs to cut out the inappropriate conversations that continually plague threads.