Lockdown Imminent (Vol. 2)

[anonymous-user]

The general population wouldn’t stomach a 6 week lockdown
2 weeks would be doubtful too

The 80+ year olds I know would rather get on with life, with sensible precautions (eg wearing masks in shops & close contact areas)
No point seeing out your latter years confined to quarters..

MIL is in tier 2. We are tier 1.
So now can meet outside in garden etc
Covid won’t get her, pneumonia will!

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 19th October 00:11

[CoolHands]

I’d love a 6 week lockdown

[anonymous-user]

I’d miss the grandkids & daughter (& her dogs!)
Apart from that, quite miss the good old days of lockdown !

[Catz]

It’s all just nonsense!

The 12-19 year olds are the ones testing positive in large numbers, well in Scotland they are.

They don’t go to pubs, they go to school. Usually!
Nobody is recognising schools as infection zones ... why is that? I’m not saying closing schools is the answer but what is the answer? They’re evidently helping this spread far and wide.

[b0rk]

Catz said:

It’s all just nonsense!

The 12-19 year olds are the ones testing positive in large numbers, well in Scotland they are.

They don’t go to pubs, they go to school. Usually!
Nobody is recognising schools as infection zones ... why is that? I’m not saying closing schools is the answer but what is the answer? They’re evidently helping this spread far and wide.

Schools, Workplaces and Hospitals are all where science and politics of covid meet in a bad way.
Hospital acquired covid is not something that can talked about yet is estimated to account for 10 to 15% of all admissions.
Schools you just can't make them properly "covid-secure" and then workplaces yeah the ones where covid spreads such as factories and food processors can't be talked about or touched.

[survivalist]

b0rk said:

Catz said:

It’s all just nonsense!

The 12-19 year olds are the ones testing positive in large numbers, well in Scotland they are.

They don’t go to pubs, they go to school. Usually!
Nobody is recognising schools as infection zones ... why is that? I’m not saying closing schools is the answer but what is the answer? They’re evidently helping this spread far and wide.

Schools, Workplaces and Hospitals are all where science and politics of covid meet in a bad way.
Hospital acquired covid is not something that can talked about yet is estimated to account for 10 to 15% of all admissions.
Schools you just can't make them properly "covid-secure" and then workplaces yeah the ones where covid spreads such as factories and food processors can't be talked about or touched.

It’s because the government has told us all that these places are covid secure. To say otherwise now would be admitting that nothing is ‘secure’ from a virus, so they’ve had to resort to blaming other things:

People who don’t follow the rules
Pubs & Restaurants
Staying out late
FE Students (who were told to return)

In the meantime they have done nothing to expand healthcare provisions, testing capacity and the test and trace system is Woefully inadequate.

The reality is that there is no such thing as covid secure and we are in roughly the same position we were back in March.

[Louis Balfour]

V88Dicky said:

Louis Balfour said:

Can someone who is interested in the new rules clarify a coule of things please?

In Tier 2, can my friend still visit his girlfiend? He is in Nottingham (Tier 2) and she is in Birmingham.

In Tier 2, can we meet my parents in law for a meal in a restaurant? They aren't mixing with anyone else at time. If not, does a tented area outside the restaurant count as "outdoors" and is it then OK?

I ask because what a conservative politician said on TV last week was that there were no more support bubbles above Tier 1, but the .gov website suggests otherwise.

I'm in Tier 2, for reference, and have been since Sept 18th, so I'm a veteran

Basically, unless you, or anyone you know are coughing and wheezing, go about your business.

It's all a load of st.

HTH

I concur.

However my friend's girlfriend (yes really, a friend, honestly. I wouldn't lie to you guys) is timid and my parents in law are more keen to adhere to the rules, whatever they may be.

[monkfish1]

Ructions said:

leef44 said:

Ructions said:

skinnyman said:

Maybe its about time we pushed for a 2 week lockdown, a full proper lockdown, as hard as we can go.

THEN, when it makes sod all difference, we can kindly ask the government to stop doing them, as they don't work. Perhaps thats why they're reluctant, because if it makes sod all difference then they're screwed

Is two weeks long enough? We're possible looking at a six week lockdown here in Ireland from tomorrow. The virus is rampant here at the minute, moreso in the north. First time round it was a friend of a friend of a friend who had it. Now it's a lot closer to home, in my case my sister has tested positive. She's very fatigued and can't taste, but otherwise ok. Local barber, barman, it's rampant and we all need to step up and act responsibly.

Well, if schools/uni were all closed as well i.e. as suggested above, a full proper lockdown, then two weeks should be enough to make a statistical difference. Enough to prove the point.

The National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) have reccommended a six week lockdown. Unfortunately our government are passing the buck and trying to introduced half arsed measures. I'd be happy with a 6 week lockdown and see where we go from there.
Two weeks isn't enough in my opinion.

Assuming you got your 6 week lock down, then what? What happens at the end of 6 weeks?

[GMT13]

Ructions said:

The National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) have reccommended a six week lockdown. Unfortunately our government are passing the buck and trying to introduced half arsed measures. I'd be happy with a 6 week lockdown and see where we go from there.
Two weeks isn't enough in my opinion.

Bloody government eh? They shouldn't be considering the economy or maintenance of civilised society, just get us locked down and defeat the Corona threat. The thing is though, why stop at 6 weeks?!

Also, why not ban driving? I say ban all driving apart from delivery drivers and emergency services. Granted there would be catastrophic economic consequences but if it saves just one granny from an RTA death then surely it's a price worth paying?

[vaud]

Isn’t the NPHET an Irish body and not England/Wales/Scotland?

Edited by vaud on Monday 19th October 08:06

Edited by vaud on Monday 19th October 08:06

[loafer123]

Judging by my daughters experience, the spike in numbers is being driven by FE students, especially 1st years who are in halls.

The numbers will drop quickly, however, as it has already swept through.

[steveo3002]

keep the kids out of school if its rampant , then they can all round around the supermarkets and shopping malls to spread it to those that have no contact with kids otherwise

[fastraxx]

GMT13 said:

Bloody government eh? They shouldn't be considering the economy or maintenance of civilised society, just get us locked down and defeat the Corona threat. The thing is though, why stop at 6 weeks?!

Also, why not ban driving? I say ban all driving apart from delivery drivers and emergency services. Granted there would be catastrophic economic consequences but if it saves just one granny from an RTA death then surely it's a price worth paying?

Yeah, lock us down and ruin everything despite hospitals not being over burdened in the slightest. What a shower of fking wkers.

[anonymous-user]

monkfish1 said:

Assuming you got your 6 week lock down, then what? What happens at the end of 6 weeks?

We have another one...
And another one...

Insanity etc etc

[Vanden Saab]

b0rk said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

Easier to see where the cases are - and the comparison to the average helpful.

What it shows to me is that for whatever reason, the north is being harder hit with “cases” than the south - is that due to more testing or is there something else going on?

I can only theorise that the reopening of schools is a key part of northern cases outside of universities.
Taking a few simple assumptions the sub-regions being hit hardest have significant element of deprivation so logically the parents of school age children are not WfH but in environments where social distancing is not particularly possible and more over the after school support network consists primarily of older relatives. The children are quite literally "killing granny" by going to school.

Whitty and JVD talking about how the cases spread from the young to the old with a lag strongly suggests that in person schooling must be a vector for the spread.

In the south parents are either more likely to be WfH or the after school support network relies less on older relatives and more on organised events and clubs or flexible working.

Any one got a better explanation?

Yes, the South had more Covid during the first wave therefore more people had it, Now the normal winter rise has arrived the North are being hit harder as there are more susceptible people. While so much bks about herd immunity has been spoken it is a thing, It is not a fixed point though ie, when 70% have had it Covid goes away, it is a moving target. It also does not mean nobody gets it anymore but only that it does not spread at a rate where millions of people have it all at the same time.
This is a virus of large towns and cities it thrives anywhere where people come into contact with many other people on a daily basis. Only a very small number of people actually spread it. From figures I have seen up to 70% do not infect anyone else and less than 10% spread it to more than one other person. Outside of the major centres of population it is never going to go ballistic unless you have a factory or other place where hundreds of people are in close contact indoors for a long period of time.

[MikeT66]

Well, here in Manchester it's starting to look like Burnham will get his way, so Tier 3 coming soon I expect. Media reporting that NHS covid provision/beds are nearly at capacity. The thing is, though, this happens nearly every single year with pneumonia anyway, but this year there are two significant differences. Firstly, it was transparent from late Spring that covid would add to that number. Secondly, we've had the whole of summer and the previous lockdown time in March/April to prepare for this - and yet it appears that nothing has been done. So now it's panic time again, and the clock has just been rewound all the way back to early March, as though the struggles and pressure we put up with throughout Spring and Summer have been in vain and utterly worthless.

Burnham wants extra funding promised before moving to Tier 3, oblivious that damage will still be done. This merry-go-round cannot continue - at some time the money will run out to keep it going. We have a lot more knowledge of the virus now that we did in Spring, and yet we've learned nothing it seems.

I'm so disappointed and frustrated today, and although other voices are now heard, still no-one is asking how we actually return to any sense of normality - it's as though that is no longer an option to even be considered. Even the 'traffic-light' system has no mention of it. I've lost even more money from my beleaguered small 'pension pot', and I fear that I'll soon join my wife in the unemployed queue, to add to the stpile.

This will be the biggest Winter of discontent I've lived through, I think, and I'm sure millions of others will also be left with a lot less after this.

[monkfish1]

Slight thread tangent, but this "extra money" that burnham gets. Where does it go? Who gets it?

You can bet it wont go to the people/businesses who suffer/go bust as a consequence.

[monkfish1]

1974nc said:

monkfish1 said:

Assuming you got your 6 week lock down, then what? What happens at the end of 6 weeks?

We have another one...
And another one...

Insanity etc etc

Yep. I suspect we could be waiting a while for "ructions" to come up with a reply!

[towser44]

sim72 said:

towser44 said:

My 8 year old was off all last week and because she went to after school club and the teacher there tested positive too (but at a later date) she can't go back until Thursday now rather than Tuesday when her class goes back. The mother of one her class mates works at the same school, but whilst her daughter has to stay at home like mine, she actually could (and did) carry on going to work. Makes sense doesn't it, not!

The basic logic does actually make sense.

In this case, you've got a staff member whose daughter is in the same bubble as another student who was taught by a teacher who tested positive. That's three degrees of separation. As long as the two staff members haven't had direct contact, they will not be sent home.

If you think about it (and especially in a secondary school) if you sent home every member of staff that had that amount of separation with a positive case, you'd end up closing the school every time there was a single case.

Doesn't make sense to me to be honest, maybe I'm just stupid (it's possible). But, kid has to stay home because her teacher is positive. Mother who lives with kid and could therefore pick up virus from kid if she has it, can still go to work at the school the kid is isolating from and the mother is a lunchtime assistant so sees all the year groups and not just a single year group. I don't see the point in the kid isolating if she could pass it to mum who then goes to the same school to work and sees all year groups?

Also, to add to this, my ex had to stay home with my daughter last week because she was self-isolating from the school, but wasn't entitled to pay from work or the £500 for a low income individual because it wasn't via track and trace.

I've made her to go back work this week and I've got my daughter here, but the school weren't happy as they said she needed to self-isolate at her own home which is 20 miles away. It's no wonder people ignore the rules, because despite all the money being chucked around it doesn't seem to be helping those who need it. I've given up with the rules, it's a waste of time.

[youngsyr]

MikeT66 said:

Well, here in Manchester it's starting to look like Burnham will get his way, so Tier 3 coming soon I expect. Media reporting that NHS covid provision/beds are nearly at capacity. The thing is, though, this happens nearly every single year with pneumonia anyway, but this year there are two significant differences. Firstly, it was transparent from late Spring that covid would add to that number. Secondly, we've had the whole of summer and the previous lockdown time in March/April to prepare for this - and yet it appears that nothing has been done. So now it's panic time again, and the clock has just been rewound all the way back to early March, as though the struggles and pressure we put up with throughout Spring and Summer have been in vain and utterly worthless.

Burnham wants extra funding promised before moving to Tier 3, oblivious that damage will still be done. This merry-go-round cannot continue - at some time the money will run out to keep it going. We have a lot more knowledge of the virus now that we did in Spring, and yet we've learned nothing it seems.

I'm so disappointed and frustrated today, and although other voices are now heard, still no-one is asking how we actually return to any sense of normality - it's as though that is no longer an option to even be considered. Even the 'traffic-light' system has no mention of it. I've lost even more money from my beleaguered small 'pension pot', and I fear that I'll soon join my wife in the unemployed queue, to add to the stpile.

This will be the biggest Winter of discontent I've lived through, I think, and I'm sure millions of others will also be left with a lot less after this.

I'm trying to convince myself that the government aren't completley inept and are actually adopting a "suicide prevention" approach to news on getting back to normality, i..e they expect vaccinations to start to become available early next year and for the population to be fully vaccinated by the end of next year. However, if they tell people that now, they expect many people will drop any precautions they're currently taking and a massive increase in cases will result.

Or they're just incompetent.

Or they don't know what the end game is.