Lockdown Imminent (Vol. 2)

[Brave Fart]

MikeT66 said:

The thing is, though, this happens nearly every single year with pneumonia anyway, but this year there are two significant differences. Firstly, it was transparent from late Spring that covid would add to that number. Secondly, we've had the whole of summer and the previous lockdown time in March/April to prepare for this - and yet it appears that nothing has been done.

Ah, the NHS. You know, that wonderful organisation that we applaud, literally.
Respect to the clinical staff who coped really well last spring. But then the NHS stopped doing any other treatments, to some degree. I had a few hospital visits during the summer (I have a heart condition) and the car parks were empty, the staff were doing next to nothing - or, as one consultant told me, spending lots more time on the golf course, in his case.

What they were not doing is creating standby capacity for the annual autumn influx of patients. So here we are again, groundhog day, with politicians telling us we must lockdown to "protect the NHS" - sound familiar? Given that we have spent tens of billions paying people to do nothing, surely some thought and money could have gone towards investing in flexible NHS capacity.

So what has become of the Nightingales? In which case why are they never mentioned in the context of Manchester or Liverpool?

It's not a National Health Service any more. It's a National Covid Service; and one that is failing the people The NHS should be there to protect us, not the other way round. You could argue that the NHS is untouchable now, and that we have elevated it to the status of a deity whose authority must not be challenged.

[JQ]

Brave Fart said:

So what has become of the Nightingales? In which case why are they never mentioned in the context of Manchester or Liverpool?

They're sitting empty. They can't mention them, because if they did, they'd have to include their beds in the measure of capacity. We're at 35% capacity is not quite as fear inducing as, we're at 85% of capacity.

[leef44]

JQ said:

Brave Fart said:

So what has become of the Nightingales? In which case why are they never mentioned in the context of Manchester or Liverpool?

They're sitting empty. They can't mention them, because if they did, they'd have to include their beds in the measure of capacity. We're at 35% capacity is not quite as fear inducing as, we're at 85% of capacity.

So that would mean there is no need to lockdown and make more businesses bankrupt.

The only point of the lockdown was to buy time to make up hospital capacity, since a lockdown does nothing for bringing down the virus which MAY come in a year's time from a vaccine.

In the meantime, locking down for a whole year is not sustainable. So long term plan has to be stop locking down!

[JQ]

leef44 said:

JQ said:

Brave Fart said:

So what has become of the Nightingales? In which case why are they never mentioned in the context of Manchester or Liverpool?

They're sitting empty. They can't mention them, because if they did, they'd have to include their beds in the measure of capacity. We're at 35% capacity is not quite as fear inducing as, we're at 85% of capacity.

So that would mean there is no need to lockdown and make more businesses bankrupt.

The only point of the lockdown was to buy time to make up hospital capacity, since a lockdown does nothing for bringing down the virus which MAY come in a year's time from a vaccine.

In the meantime, locking down for a whole year is not sustainable. So long term plan has to be stop locking down!

I just had a quick google and can summarise Manchester's Nightingale:

£10.25m build cost
750 beds
Opened 12 April 2020
Closed June 2020
Treated 100 patients

So even at the height of the pandemic it wasn't anywhere close to capacity.

[steveo3002]

wonder if the reason the nightingale is closed is because they couldnt staff if they wanted to ?

[vaud]

steveo3002 said:

wonder if the reason the nightingale is closed is because they couldnt staff if they wanted to ?

They are mothballed because they don't need them (yet)?

[Sophisticated Sarah]

steveo3002 said:

wonder if the reason the nightingale is closed is because they couldnt staff if they wanted to ?

They had the staff, just not enough patients. Wife’s friend went to work at the Birmingham site but was told to not bother coming again after two weeks due to the grand total of zero patients. Kind of tells you all you need to know about this terrifying pandemic.

[RammyMP]

Now Wales are going into their 2 week lock down are they going to be the guinea pigs to see if it actually does any good?

I can’t help thinking Burnham is doing more harm than good to the north if England, pissing Westminster off sufficiently that we’ll then be at the back of the queue for funding of new schools and hospitals at the end of all this.

[TurboHatchback]

monkfish1 said:

1974nc said:

monkfish1 said:

Assuming you got your 6 week lock down, then what? What happens at the end of 6 weeks?

We have another one...
And another one...

Insanity etc etc

Yep. I suspect we could be waiting a while for "ructions" to come up with a reply!

I believe the plan is to go round and round in an endless series of rolling lockdowns until either everybody is unemployed and starving in the street or somebody in power wakes up and realizes that we just need to get on with our lives and that the fatality rate of being alive is 100% and there is no cure.

[interstellar]

Yep it’s bks. My daughters school just decided to close with an hours notice for the rest of the week before half term as have several cases and are panicking.

No one reported as needed anything other than a hankie!!

Joke!

[nigelpugh7]

interstellar said:

Yep it’s bks. My daughters school just decided to close with an hours notice for the rest of the week before half term as have several cases and are panicking.

No one reported as needed anything other than a hankie!!

Joke!

They sent my 14 year old Son home along with all the rest of his year on Thursday last week, it was due to one teacher in that year testing positive.

But my 11 year old daughter is still going to same school every day, well for now at least.

We are part expecting to get another notice shortly telling us that our daughter will have to stay home too, just in time for half term.

[anonymous-user]

I see the government are now motivating local authorities to lockdown hard by paying £4.35 Per head if they go to tier 2 and a Massive £27.34 If they agree to tier 3!!!!

[Ructions]

vaud said:

steveo3002 said:

wonder if the reason the nightingale is closed is because they couldnt staff if they wanted to ?

They are mothballed because they don't need them (yet)?

They have reopened the Nightingale in Belfast because they are nearing capacity already.

[Nickbrapp]

Wales back in, no matter the regard for people’s mental health, but I doubt that goes down on the death certificate if it’s suicide or missed cancer, so long as it’s not covid the Incompetent WAG are happy.

[Ructions]

monkfish1 said:

Ructions said:

leef44 said:

Ructions said:

skinnyman said:

Maybe its about time we pushed for a 2 week lockdown, a full proper lockdown, as hard as we can go.

THEN, when it makes sod all difference, we can kindly ask the government to stop doing them, as they don't work. Perhaps thats why they're reluctant, because if it makes sod all difference then they're screwed

Is two weeks long enough? We're possible looking at a six week lockdown here in Ireland from tomorrow. The virus is rampant here at the minute, moreso in the north. First time round it was a friend of a friend of a friend who had it. Now it's a lot closer to home, in my case my sister has tested positive. She's very fatigued and can't taste, but otherwise ok. Local barber, barman, it's rampant and we all need to step up and act responsibly.

Well, if schools/uni were all closed as well i.e. as suggested above, a full proper lockdown, then two weeks should be enough to make a statistical difference. Enough to prove the point.

The National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) have reccommended a six week lockdown. Unfortunately our government are passing the buck and trying to introduced half arsed measures. I'd be happy with a 6 week lockdown and see where we go from there.
Two weeks isn't enough in my opinion.

Assuming you got your 6 week lock down, then what? What happens at the end of 6 weeks?

I don't have a crystal ball, but I assume that the thinking behind it is really just as it was when we were locked down earlier in the year. Our health service, the HSE, struggles to cope at the best of times, despite be vastly over funded, it is extremely poorly run. Like nearly every government department in this country.

An announcement on our lockdown is imminent.

[nigelpugh7]

Nickbrapp said:

Wales back in, no matter the regard for people’s mental health, but I doubt that goes down on the death certificate if it’s suicide or missed cancer, so long as it’s not covid the Incompetent WAG are happy.

The Wales circuit breaker lockdown has been preying on my mind since it was headline news today.

Apparently the situation In Wales is so bad they have to introduce this new total lockdown.

But hang on, it’s so serious, so life threatening that it could lead to 10000’s hospitalised , and then 10000’s deaths that we must lock down, but not right now, not today, we will just wait until this Friday, to make the lockdown official!

Seriously!

[monkfish1]

Ructions said:

monkfish1 said:

Ructions said:

leef44 said:

Ructions said:

skinnyman said:

Maybe its about time we pushed for a 2 week lockdown, a full proper lockdown, as hard as we can go.

THEN, when it makes sod all difference, we can kindly ask the government to stop doing them, as they don't work. Perhaps thats why they're reluctant, because if it makes sod all difference then they're screwed

Is two weeks long enough? We're possible looking at a six week lockdown here in Ireland from tomorrow. The virus is rampant here at the minute, moreso in the north. First time round it was a friend of a friend of a friend who had it. Now it's a lot closer to home, in my case my sister has tested positive. She's very fatigued and can't taste, but otherwise ok. Local barber, barman, it's rampant and we all need to step up and act responsibly.

Well, if schools/uni were all closed as well i.e. as suggested above, a full proper lockdown, then two weeks should be enough to make a statistical difference. Enough to prove the point.

The National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) have reccommended a six week lockdown. Unfortunately our government are passing the buck and trying to introduced half arsed measures. I'd be happy with a 6 week lockdown and see where we go from there.
Two weeks isn't enough in my opinion.

Assuming you got your 6 week lock down, then what? What happens at the end of 6 weeks?

I don't have a crystal ball, but I assume that the thinking behind it is really just as it was when we were locked down earlier in the year. Our health service, the HSE, struggles to cope at the best of times, despite be vastly over funded, it is extremely poorly run. Like nearly every government department in this country.

An announcement on our lockdown is imminent.

Im not asking you to predict the future. Im asking you to explain what you think would happen to the virus, specifically, once the lockdown you crave ends?

[Ructions]

monkfish1 said:

Im not asking you to predict the future. Im asking you to explain what you think would happen to the virus, specifically, once the lockdown you crave ends?

Honestly? I don't know. I would hope that we have a lot less cases than we have now and the pressure would be eased somewhat on our already stretched hospitals and public services. The virus isn't going away, but we can help to stop the spread and if that means sitting in for a few weeks, then so be it.

[Vanden Saab]

Sky said:

The national lockdown may have indirectly caused 16,000 excess deaths in two months, according to government analysts.

The new report says a reluctance to attend A&E and difficulties accessing medical assistance likely meant that for every three deaths from coronavirus itself, a further two occurred because of the wider impact of the lockdown.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lockdown-may-have-indirectly-caused-16-000-excess-deaths-study-12044923


Yay... lets kill more people with a second lockdown

[sim72]

The Welsh lockdown is nonsense.

Apparently, despite the evidence showing that schools are a major vector of COVID, it's OK to send all primary schools and Years 7 and 8 back after a week.

That's like trying to let a bouncy castle down while someone's blowing it up from the other side.