46th President of the United States, Joe Biden
Discussion
Ronald still trying desperately to follow the gameplan
Remember
The released audio of Jared Kushner suggesting deferring action on reopening to the governors was a political calculation — a successful reopening could be credited to the President, but any failure would be blamed on the governors instead.
This raises questions as to whether all federal policies on Covid-19 were selected with Election Day in mind. On testing, for example, “the states have to own the testing. The federal government should not own the testing…it’s got to be up to the governors,” says Kushner in an apparent attempt to shift any blame for testing failures onto the states.
With Election Day approaching, the Trump administration seems to be pinning its reelection odds to this Covid-19 blame-shifting. The plan is simple: the federal government sets out guidelines for reopening and testing but provides little substantive support; if the states fail to control their outbreaks, they take the blame, and the federal government moves on.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020...
Vox took an attempt to answer the question. So how did America get here?
The primary answer lies in President Donald Trump and Republican leaders in Congress, who have collectively abdicated the federal government’s role in addressing the outbreak or even acknowledging its severity. From Trump’s borderline denialist messaging on Covid-19 to Congress’s inability to pass broader economic relief, the country has been left in a place where states, local governments, and the public have to fend for themselves — and none of them have the resources to deal with the coronavirus on their own.
Trump and his allies have also actively worked to sideline the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, crippling the agency’s ability to provide guidance to states and others that have now been left out on their own.
At the same time, there are serious structural issues that hindered states’ and the public’s ability to act. Experts have long argued that the US’s public health infrastructure is underresourced and ill prepared for a serious crisis, and the pandemic has exposed this many times over: Nearly a year into the pandemic, no state has capacities for testing and contact tracing that most experts would consider adequate.
And the lack of economic relief has made it much harder for people to stay home and business owners to close down, faced with the decision of mitigating the coronavirus’s spread or failing to pay their mortgage and other bills.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22176191/covid-...
Now before youknowwho starts, Biden has a clear plan, written and delivered (unlike trumps healthcare plan)
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021...
which includes: The COVID-19 Response office will establish clear lines of communications with all governors, state public health officials and immunization managers, and local leaders.
Remember
The released audio of Jared Kushner suggesting deferring action on reopening to the governors was a political calculation — a successful reopening could be credited to the President, but any failure would be blamed on the governors instead.
This raises questions as to whether all federal policies on Covid-19 were selected with Election Day in mind. On testing, for example, “the states have to own the testing. The federal government should not own the testing…it’s got to be up to the governors,” says Kushner in an apparent attempt to shift any blame for testing failures onto the states.
With Election Day approaching, the Trump administration seems to be pinning its reelection odds to this Covid-19 blame-shifting. The plan is simple: the federal government sets out guidelines for reopening and testing but provides little substantive support; if the states fail to control their outbreaks, they take the blame, and the federal government moves on.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020...
Vox took an attempt to answer the question. So how did America get here?
The primary answer lies in President Donald Trump and Republican leaders in Congress, who have collectively abdicated the federal government’s role in addressing the outbreak or even acknowledging its severity. From Trump’s borderline denialist messaging on Covid-19 to Congress’s inability to pass broader economic relief, the country has been left in a place where states, local governments, and the public have to fend for themselves — and none of them have the resources to deal with the coronavirus on their own.
Trump and his allies have also actively worked to sideline the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, crippling the agency’s ability to provide guidance to states and others that have now been left out on their own.
At the same time, there are serious structural issues that hindered states’ and the public’s ability to act. Experts have long argued that the US’s public health infrastructure is underresourced and ill prepared for a serious crisis, and the pandemic has exposed this many times over: Nearly a year into the pandemic, no state has capacities for testing and contact tracing that most experts would consider adequate.
And the lack of economic relief has made it much harder for people to stay home and business owners to close down, faced with the decision of mitigating the coronavirus’s spread or failing to pay their mortgage and other bills.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22176191/covid-...
Now before youknowwho starts, Biden has a clear plan, written and delivered (unlike trumps healthcare plan)
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021...
which includes: The COVID-19 Response office will establish clear lines of communications with all governors, state public health officials and immunization managers, and local leaders.
over_the_hill said:
What has happened to Biden (and Harris for that matter).
Since the inauguration there has barely been any mention of either of them in the press.
Previously on a more than daily basis it was Trump signs executive order, Trump goes to play golf, Trump had cottage pie for dinner yesterday .....
Eh?Since the inauguration there has barely been any mention of either of them in the press.
Previously on a more than daily basis it was Trump signs executive order, Trump goes to play golf, Trump had cottage pie for dinner yesterday .....
We have a full press conference from Jen Psaki every day and the President makes statements and appears on TV most days.
Unlike his predecessor he actually works at the job of being President so you don't see his playing golf, giving the Presidential Medal of Freedom to fascists or rage tweeting. He's getting on with the job of fixing the mess left by the Tangerine Turd.
pquinn said:
Byker - ever though of posting a single list of links to your favourite stories of the day, instead of flooding the place with massive blocks of copied text usually without acknowledgement?
Links are interesting, copyright infringement much less so.
Fell free to go away. Links are interesting, copyright infringement much less so.
PRTVR said:
gregs656 said:
PRTVR said:
Do you think its a good idea to allow ballot papers without recognisable signatures ?
As I said earlier everything in America is polarised.
I don’t recall ever signing a ballot, or presenting ID to vote. As I said earlier everything in America is polarised.
All this stuff is the Republicans complaining their voter obstruction was somewhat undermined thanks to COVID.
They need to get their s
t together over the minimum wage though.Edited by gregs656 on Wednesday 3rd March 02:45
I agree on the minimum wage but sadly I think it will fail, big business has to much control and some do not see it in their best interest.
Promise
Crook said:
He should get a hammering over this. Obviously I don't know how much of an influence campaigning on the minimum wage influenced Bernie's voters but if there is a way to get them to turn their backs on Biden it's got to be by dropping something that emotive. Keeping it would have been such a great achievement by the Democrats.
Promise
I agree. They could move forward with it too, they are choosing not to.Promise
On California and Florida. California (like the UK) seem to have flip flopped on the rules which seems to be the worst way of going about it.
Crook said:
He should get a hammering over this. Obviously I don't know how much of an influence campaigning on the minimum wage influenced Bernie's voters but if there is a way to get them to turn their backs on Biden it's got to be by dropping something that emotive. Keeping it would have been such a great achievement by the Democrats.
Promise
The problem is A-hole DINOs refusing to vote for it if in the package, and no GOP senators willing to do the right thing. AIUI there is just one chance to get it through via reconciliation, and the $1.9T package is probably seen as more important in the scheme of things.Promise
Sanders and others are looking at taxing companies that don't pay $15
hidetheelephants said:
We should criticise Biden because of states's rights? This is desperate stuff.
What you shouldn't do is double dip; criticise the previous President for failing to do things, when the new one can't do them either. Or. Credit the current President for things he didn't control when you failed to praise the old one in the same way.The double standards employed on this and other threads are there for all to see.
If Biden can't be criticised for the death rate because he doesn't control what individual states do, then neither should Trump. If Biden is praised for the falling death rate, then so should Trump, as the lag between cause and effect means the results we're seeing now were influenced largely under his watch.
Breaking on @MSNBC: The FBI and DHS have issued a joint intel bulletin warning that domestic extremists have discussed plans to "take control of the U.S. Capitol and remove democratic lawmakers on or about the 4th of March." March 4 is important to QAnon believers as thats the old inauguration day and they believe trump will come back and regain control
https://www.msnbc.com/craig-melvin/watch/dhs-fbi-g...
https://www.msnbc.com/craig-melvin/watch/dhs-fbi-g...
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
If Biden can't be criticised for the death rate because he doesn't control what individual states do, then neither should Trump.
Nice non sequitur.Imagine genuinely believing that a political leader whose calls not to relax restrictions are ignored by states is equally as culpable for the outcome as a political leader whose demands not to institute restrictions are obeyed.
HM-2 said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
If Biden can't be criticised for the death rate because he doesn't control what individual states do, then neither should Trump.
Nice non sequitur.Imagine genuinely believing that a political leader whose calls not to relax restrictions are ignored by states is equally as culpable for the outcome as a political leader whose demands not to institute restrictions are obeyed.
HM-2 said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
If Biden can't be criticised for the death rate because he doesn't control what individual states do, then neither should Trump.
Nice non sequitur.Imagine genuinely believing that a political leader whose calls not to relax restrictions are ignored by states is equally as culpable for the outcome as a political leader whose demands not to institute restrictions are obeyed.
...whilst accusing others of trolling. Laughable as always.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
hidetheelephants said:
We should criticise Biden because of states's rights? This is desperate stuff.
What you shouldn't do is double dip; criticise the previous President for failing to do things, when the new one can't do them either. Or. Credit the current President for things he didn't control when you failed to praise the old one in the same way.The double standards employed on this and other threads are there for all to see.
If Biden can't be criticised for the death rate because he doesn't control what individual states do, then neither should Trump. If Biden is praised for the falling death rate, then so should Trump, as the lag between cause and effect means the results we're seeing now were influenced largely under his watch.
That is not the same at all.
If a President can't do something because of the mental way US government works but tries to encourage them to do what's best for the State/Country that is absolutely not the same as a President threatening to withhold aid because they are "not nice to him", operate a 'highest bidder' aid supply and openly encouraging the populace to ignore the State's government with demonstrations that did the complete opposite of what the State is trying to achieve.
There is no equivalence at all and suggesting there is is incredulous.
Byker28i said:
HM-2 said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
If Biden can't be criticised for the death rate because he doesn't control what individual states do, then neither should Trump.
Nice non sequitur.Imagine genuinely believing that a political leader whose calls not to relax restrictions are ignored by states is equally as culpable for the outcome as a political leader whose demands not to institute restrictions are obeyed.
...whilst accusing others of trolling. Laughable as always.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
All I argue for is judging all politicians by the same standards, rather than a stream of partisan and often irrelevant content.
You don't, though. You demand an equal response to entirely different and inarguably unequal events and accuse anyone who questions this of double standards.RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Disagreeing with the thread consensus is arguing?
All I argue for is judging all politicians by the same standards, rather than a stream of partisan and often irrelevant content.
I wasn't aiming that directly at you.All I argue for is judging all politicians by the same standards, rather than a stream of partisan and often irrelevant content.
I do think there are certain posters here who just want to argue all of the time. We also have some 'drop and run' types who say something inaccurate, get educated by someone with more understanding, but don't come back until way later when they start from scratch with a new bit of nonsense. On this one I will name names:
Saab.
HM-2 said:
I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt but it's becoming increasingly clear that Ronald, along with another couple of regular contributors, have no interest in discussing in good faith.
The bit I find wearing is how they simply cannot accept that some of the stuff Trump did was off the charts and equate that to this president failing to deliver a pledge within a couple of months of office.We had Trump and "lock her up, lock her up", backing Putin over his security forces, paying of a Porn star, having several of his close team imprisoned, and his support for an insurrection and certain posters expect the same level of criticism at a President as he has failed to navigate a split congress for a bill , was a bit weak on China in an informal discussion and forgot to wear his mask.
It's just all so transparent and I'm sorry I every engaged wit them.
That's before you get to the "stop the steal" loons who think is evidence of a mass fraud is everywhere.
Edit: It's entirely reasonable to judge Trump by a different set of standards.
JeffreyD said:
HM-2 said:
I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt but it's becoming increasingly clear that Ronald, along with another couple of regular contributors, have no interest in discussing in good faith.
The bit I find wearing is how they simply cannot accept that some of the stuff Trump did was off the charts and equate that to this president failing to deliver a pledge within a couple of months of office.We had Trump and "lock her up, lock her up", backing Putin over his security forces, paying of a Porn star, having several of his close team imprisoned, and his support for an insurrection and certain posters expect the same level of criticism at a President as he has failed to navigate a split congress for a bill , was a bit weak on China in an informal discussion and forgot to wear his mask.
It's just all so transparent and I'm sorry I every engaged wit them.
That's before you get to the "stop the steal" loons who think is evidence of a mass fraud is everywhere.
Edit: It's entirely reasonable to judge Trump by a different set of standards.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff