46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

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928 GTS

206 posts

60 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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purplepenguin said:
Not keen on my enquiry idea then? Moon landing thing is just a poor deflection and doesn’t answer the question.
Moon landing thing is not a deflection. Its illustration on how moronic many Trump supporters are. No matter who does what only result they will accept is Trump victory. Votes can be counted 1000 more times and nothing changes as long as result doesn't change. And it will not change when count is done properly. It was already done properly and they can't accept result. Seems this includes you also.

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

12,154 posts

60 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Crafty_ said:
Wishful thinking from the author, who is affiliated with Sanders, the main voice behind the wage hike.
Democrats don't even have the 51 vote majority, let alone the 60 votes they now need since the Senate ruling - the White House can't magic senate votes out of thin air.

Joe Manchin does minimum wage increases, but only to $11, not 15, He won't vote for $15, nor will Sinema. Even if they did there is more wrangling to get the matter through the house thanks to the ruling.

In terms of working against the people I think part of the problem is that they've got multiple levels of beaurocracy and rules, none of whixh is designed to work together - all created at one time or another to serve a purpose for a given situation only for it to later tie them in knots.

Democrats did have a plan B, which was to impose a tax surcharge on companies not paying $15, but thats now been abandoned.
It seems Biden specifically promised a $15 minimum wage, but now refuses to deliver it.

I wonder how many other promises he'll abandon?

JeffreyD

2,274 posts

5 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
t seems Biden specifically promised a $15 minimum wage, but now refuses to deliver it.

I wonder how many other promises he'll abandon?
Is he refusing to deliver or unable to?
Can he issue an executive order for this?


And I presume this is down to the filibuster promise by the Republicans?

Three questions, no answers. Sorry about that.

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

12,154 posts

60 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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JeffreyD said:
Is he refusing to deliver or unable to?
Can he issue an executive order for this?


And I presume this is down to the filibuster promise by the Republicans?

Three questions, no answers. Sorry about that.
When a politician seeking votes promises to deliver something in return, the electorate is entitled to expect two things; firstly that if he receives the votes he will be in a position to deliver and secondly, in that position, he will.

Biden made a promise, people voted for him on that basis, and in little over a month the pledge is dust.

purplepenguin

1,318 posts

152 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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928 GTS said:
purplepenguin said:
Not keen on my enquiry idea then? Moon landing thing is just a poor deflection and doesn’t answer the question.
Moon landing thing is not a deflection. Its illustration on how moronic many Trump supporters are. No matter who does what only result they will accept is Trump victory. Votes can be counted 1000 more times and nothing changes as long as result doesn't change. And it will not change when count is done properly. It was already done properly and they can't accept result. Seems this includes you also.
No, it is a deflection and is just something you wish to connect. Biden still has to govern all of the USA, trump supporters included.

His administration is already finding out that it’s much more difficult to be the ones in power.

I only suggested that a transparent enquiry may help. It was nothing to do with a recount.

You obviously have a different viewpoint which is fine but you and others always come out with the same retort and personal accusations. “Seems this includes you also” - do you think I’m concerned with what you think?

JeffreyD

2,274 posts

5 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
JeffreyD said:
Is he refusing to deliver or unable to?
Can he issue an executive order for this?


And I presume this is down to the filibuster promise by the Republicans?

Three questions, no answers. Sorry about that.
When a politician seeking votes promises to deliver something in return, the electorate is entitled to expect two things; firstly that if he receives the votes he will be in a position to deliver and secondly, in that position, he will.

Biden made a promise, people voted for him on that basis, and in little over a month the pledge is dust.
The games politicians play, eh?

The American people voted for a finely balanced legislature, so they must expect some compromise.(or the reasonable ones will) - I do wonder if he will get a proper majority in the mid terms.

Is this why trump couldn't build his wall or deliver the medical reforms? Or pull the troops out of the middle east? Or was that another reason?
The US system is a bit of conundrum at times.

Quisling

539 posts

4 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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captain_cynic said:
Biden has accomplished more as the US president than Trump did in 4 years.
Apart from in the services to comedy

In that respect he is well behind Trump

No way will we ever reach the heady heights of the 4 seasons landscaping press conference

PRTVR

5,868 posts

186 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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silentbrown said:
PRTVR said:
Do you think its a good idea to allow ballot papers without recognisable signatures ?
When did you last sign a ballot paper?

Tell me about the 40% to 80% turnout increase. Where was that?
Last time I voted, ( postal vote) I have just had a request for an update of my signature for their records.
The details about ballot discrepancies was from here.

https://youtu.be/gDb7uQ76oJU

Apologies for subjecting you to the presenters, they are annoying hehe but you can limit your exposure by fast forwarding to 20 minutes where they start discussing the data from Michigan .

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

12,154 posts

60 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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JeffreyD said:
The games politicians play, eh?

The American people voted for a finely balanced legislature, so they must expect some compromise.(or the reasonable ones will) - I do wonder if he will get a proper majority in the mid terms.

Is this why trump couldn't build his wall or deliver the medical reforms? Or pull the troops out of the middle east? Or was that another reason?
The US system is a bit of conundrum at times.
I suspect millions of low paid workers voted for him specifically on the promise their wages would enjoy a significant hike. They'll no doubt be disappointed.

928 GTS

206 posts

60 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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purplepenguin said:
do you think I’m concerned with what you think?
No, you clearly are concerned on pedalling election fraud narrative. Transparent enquiry is just another new word for it.

JeffreyD

2,274 posts

5 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I suspect millions of low paid workers voted for him specifically on the promise their wages would enjoy a significant hike. They'll no doubt be disappointed.
Disappointed in the republicans for stopping the presidential agenda?

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

12,154 posts

60 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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JeffreyD said:
Disappointed in the republicans for stopping the presidential agenda?
Was it their promise to introduce it?

HM-2

5,919 posts

134 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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PRTVR said:
The details about ballot discrepancies was from here.

https://youtu.be/gDb7uQ76oJU
So your source is a Steven Crowder YouTube video?

JeffreyD

2,274 posts

5 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
JeffreyD said:
Disappointed in the republicans for stopping the presidential agenda?
Was it their promise to introduce it?
It's their actions stopping it.

It's almost as if you are acussing people of being too thick to understand what's actually happening.

Naughty Joe, bad democrats.

Anyway, that's me done, enjoy your evening I need to read up on Operation Sealion in time for tomorrow.

Edited by JeffreyD on Tuesday 2nd March 21:29

HM-2

5,919 posts

134 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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JeffreyD said:
It's their actions stopping it.
Totally bizarre isn't it? A bit like blaming Obama for the failure to institute proper universal healthcare.

purplepenguin

1,318 posts

152 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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928 GTS said:
purplepenguin said:
do you think I’m concerned with what you think?
No, you clearly are concerned on pedalling election fraud narrative. Transparent enquiry is just another new word for it.
Please quote where I have called voter fraud

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

12,154 posts

60 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Blaming the opposition for the failure of Biden to achieve a manifesto pledge, is illogical.

PRTVR

5,868 posts

186 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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HM-2 said:
PRTVR said:
The details about ballot discrepancies was from here.

https://youtu.be/gDb7uQ76oJU
So your source is a Steven Crowder YouTube video?
Yes and unlike some YouTube sites links are provided to his sources.


https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/show-notes-new-m...

kowalski655

11,949 posts

108 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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HM-2 said:
JeffreyD said:
It's their actions stopping it.
Totally bizarre isn't it? A bit like blaming Obama for the failure to institute proper universal healthcare.
And dont forget Machin & Sinema, DINOs both. Being able to hold the Dems to ransom.
They really cannot do the right thing can they!
Same with the GOP. The VAST majority of their constituents want $15, yet they dont give a damn about them.

rscott

11,829 posts

156 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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PRTVR said:
HM-2 said:
PRTVR said:
The details about ballot discrepancies was from here.

https://youtu.be/gDb7uQ76oJU
So your source is a Steven Crowder YouTube video?
Yes and unlike some YouTube sites links are provided to his sources.


https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/show-notes-new-m...
He makes a claim that 6,000 votes were flipped by a software error..

"A glitch in Antrim County flipped 6,000 votes blue when the clerk forgot to update the software.

47 other Michigan counties used this same Dominion software.*

But the source he links to confirms that
"Antrim County uses voting machines supplied by Dominion Voting Systems. The same equipment is
used by most Michigan counties, especially smaller ones. But the state said the software problem was not related to the Dominion voting equipment. Antrim receives programming support from another company, Election Source, the agency said."

He references "Early morning after election night there was a huge dump of ballots for Biden: 150,000 votes in the batch, but less than 6,000 for Trump," the source being a now deleted tweet.


Or the 70% of poll books being out of balance apparently is a major issue.. except it was 72% in the previous election and no one complained.
The errors were tiny too - between 1 and 4 votes per poll book
https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/202...