46th President of the United States, Joe Biden
Discussion
JeffreyD said:
purplepenguin said:
Surely you judge all people by a set of “standards” otherwise they are not “standards”?
You don't judge Trump supporting posters by the same standards as those you see as pro-biden (I am anti-Trump not pro-Biden)No need for any following questions.
No need for any answers
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
hidetheelephants said:
We should criticise Biden because of states's rights? This is desperate stuff.
What you shouldn't do is double dip; criticise the previous President for failing to do things, when the new one can't do them either. Or. Credit the current President for things he didn't control when you failed to praise the old one in the same way.The double standards employed on this and other threads are there for all to see.
If Biden can't be criticised for the death rate because he doesn't control what individual states do, then neither should Trump. If Biden is praised for the falling death rate, then so should Trump, as the lag between cause and effect means the results we're seeing now were influenced largely under his watch.
Biden; the opposite of all that. You know, leadership tempered with scientific advice. He's sorely lacking in rage-tweets and golfing expeditions though, his handicap must be terrible.
hidetheelephants said:
If you look at the death rate chart Florida has shanked it badly; their death rate in the Thanksgiving/Christmas peak is huge, their performance is terrible; NY has held the death rate down. This article is rubbish.
Huge you say? As in never topping 300 a day?Florida is ranked 27th out of 50 states for deaths per million, how exactly is that a shank? Considering they've had absolutely minimal lock down, I'd say that's a remarkable performance for numbers. They have the 3rd highest population.
I saw a chart earlier showing the deaths per million on states that locked down vs no lock down and guess what... They were within 50 of each other.
RiseUp said:
hidetheelephants said:
If you look at the death rate chart Florida has shanked it badly; their death rate in the Thanksgiving/Christmas peak is huge, their performance is terrible; NY has held the death rate down. This article is rubbish.
Huge you say? As in never topping 300 a day?Florida is ranked 27th out of 50 states for deaths per million, how exactly is that a shank? Considering they've had absolutely minimal lock down, I'd say that's a remarkable performance for numbers. They have the 3rd highest population.
I saw a chart earlier showing the deaths per million on states that locked down vs no lock down and guess what... They were within 50 of each other.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/FL
California has a smaller percentage of over 65s but more of them. Which isn't relevant to deaths per capita.
HM-2 said:
I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt but it's becoming increasingly clear that Ronald, along with another couple of regular contributors, have no interest in discussing in good faith.
Same here, in fact look at my response yesterday to the question asked about Florida, I'm always up for a discussion. But it gets tiring when the same person is just trying to score points, ignores discussions, accuses people of trolling when they are...Best thing in the end is just to ignore them, they just want attention
gumshoe said:
RiseUp said:
hidetheelephants said:
If you look at the death rate chart Florida has shanked it badly; their death rate in the Thanksgiving/Christmas peak is huge, their performance is terrible; NY has held the death rate down. This article is rubbish.
Huge you say? As in never topping 300 a day?Florida is ranked 27th out of 50 states for deaths per million, how exactly is that a shank? Considering they've had absolutely minimal lock down, I'd say that's a remarkable performance for numbers. They have the 3rd highest population.
I saw a chart earlier showing the deaths per million on states that locked down vs no lock down and guess what... They were within 50 of each other.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/FL
California has a smaller percentage of over 65s but more of them. Which isn't relevant to deaths per capita.
They are hardly a state to hold up, at one time the third highest state for cases. Not sure where the 300 comes from, deaths? Last july:
Florida on Sunday reported the highest single-day total of new coronavirus cases by any state since the start of the pandemic, with more than 15,000 new infections, eclipsing the previous high of 12,274 recorded in New York on April 4 amid the worst of its outbreak.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/12/us/florida-coro...
Early on they opened beaches, opened eating out which caused their spike in numbers.
Even now
Florida COVID update for Wednesday: Miami positivity rate doubles in a day to top 10%
6,014 new Florida coronavirus cases reported Wednesday; 132 new deaths
The Florida Department of Health says the number of known cases of COVID-19 in the state rose by 6,014 Wednesday. According to the state's daily update, the total number of cases in Florida is now 1,924,114.
The number of Florida resident deaths has reached 31,267, an increase of 132 since Tuesday's update. In addition, a total of 562 non-Floridians have died in the state.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/6014-new-florida-co...
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/artic...
Remember Florida stopped reporting their numbers
The state is not reporting a total number of "recovered" coronavirus patients. As of Wednesday, the number of Floridians currently hospitalized for a primary diagnosis of COVID-19 was 3,597, with the state reporting a total of 80,024 hospitalized for treatment at some point.
Again, mostly explained in yesterdays post, rural vs cities, For political reasons we had team trump trying to fudge the figures, stop the reporting from CDC, Republican governors doing the same and now reports that Cuomo did the same in NY for some figures.
So as with all stats, we don't know we actually have the fuller picture, but holding Florida up as a positive example really isn't the answer.
Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 4th March 07:43
Noodle1982 said:
Not even 2 months into his presidency and Biden is breaking records.....
43 days in office, and counting, and not a single press conference.
yup - I saw Fox was pushing that last night. Have they got bored of claiming Biden was cancelling Dr Zeus? By the way Fox was pushing for Dr Jill Biden to drop her Dr title (which she earnt) but not Dr Zeus (made up)... your thoughts on that?43 days in office, and counting, and not a single press conference.
How long did trump not hold press conferences for and pushed out his spokesperson. Was it ok then?
Meanwhile, the House just passed H.R. 1, the sweeping voting rights and ethics reform bill. The vote was 220-210. Not a single Republican voted in favor of the bill.
H.R. 1, the "For the People Act':
Overhauls government ethics and campaign finance laws
Creates automatic voter registration
Expands access to early and absentee voting
Curtails the influence of big money in politics
Curbs partisan gerrymandering
We can see why the GOP don't want that...Fair elections, follow ethics
edit: Sen. Amy Klobuchar announces that there'll be a hearing on March 24 for the Senate's version of H.R. 1, the For the People Act.
H.R. 1, the "For the People Act':
Overhauls government ethics and campaign finance laws
Creates automatic voter registration
Expands access to early and absentee voting
Curtails the influence of big money in politics
Curbs partisan gerrymandering
We can see why the GOP don't want that...Fair elections, follow ethics
edit: Sen. Amy Klobuchar announces that there'll be a hearing on March 24 for the Senate's version of H.R. 1, the For the People Act.
Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 4th March 07:50
The House has just passed the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, 220-212. Just one Republican supported the bill, who said afterwards he supported the bill by mistake.
The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act:
Overhauls qualified immunity for police officers
Bans chokeholds at the federal level
Prohibits no-knock warrants in federal drug cases
Outlaws racial profiling
Establish a national registry of police misconduct to be managed by DOJ
The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act:
Overhauls qualified immunity for police officers
Bans chokeholds at the federal level
Prohibits no-knock warrants in federal drug cases
Outlaws racial profiling
Establish a national registry of police misconduct to be managed by DOJ
paulguitar said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Disagreeing with the thread consensus is arguing?
All I argue for is judging all politicians by the same standards, rather than a stream of partisan and often irrelevant content.
I wasn't aiming that directly at you.All I argue for is judging all politicians by the same standards, rather than a stream of partisan and often irrelevant content.
I do think there are certain posters here who just want to argue all of the time. We also have some 'drop and run' types who say something inaccurate, get educated by someone with more understanding, but don't come back until way later when they start from scratch with a new bit of nonsense. On this one I will name names:
Saab.
Vanden Saab said:
It would be nice to have somewhere to discuss Bidens failings as well as his success but as this is impossible here as it can only be he didn't do it or Trump was worse, I will leave you to your fawning echo chamber.
Actually, I discussed his failure to inform the senate yesterday of his airstrike, but so far he doesn't appear to be doing much wrong, hence Fox's desperate attempt to say his old dog isn't presidential enough, that he hasn't held a press conference (despite trump going years without one)...Speaking of HR1 and ethics...
McConnells wife...
While serving as transportation secretary during the Trump administration, Elaine Chao repeatedly used her office staff to help family members who run a shipping business with extensive ties to China, a report released Wednesday by the Transportation Department’s inspector general concluded.
The inspector general referred the matter to the Justice Department in December for possible criminal investigation. But in the weeks before the end of Trump administration, two Justice Department divisions declined to do so.
Ms. Chao, the wife of Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, announced her resignation on Jan. 7, the day after the Capitol riot. At the time of her departure, an aide to Ms. Chao said her resignation was unrelated to the inspector general’s investigation
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/03/us/politics/ela...
McConnells wife...
While serving as transportation secretary during the Trump administration, Elaine Chao repeatedly used her office staff to help family members who run a shipping business with extensive ties to China, a report released Wednesday by the Transportation Department’s inspector general concluded.
The inspector general referred the matter to the Justice Department in December for possible criminal investigation. But in the weeks before the end of Trump administration, two Justice Department divisions declined to do so.
Ms. Chao, the wife of Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, announced her resignation on Jan. 7, the day after the Capitol riot. At the time of her departure, an aide to Ms. Chao said her resignation was unrelated to the inspector general’s investigation
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/03/us/politics/ela...
hidetheelephants said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
hidetheelephants said:
We should criticise Biden because of states's rights? This is desperate stuff.
What you shouldn't do is double dip; criticise the previous President for failing to do things, when the new one can't do them either. Or. Credit the current President for things he didn't control when you failed to praise the old one in the same way.The double standards employed on this and other threads are there for all to see.
If Biden can't be criticised for the death rate because he doesn't control what individual states do, then neither should Trump. If Biden is praised for the falling death rate, then so should Trump, as the lag between cause and effect means the results we're seeing now were influenced largely under his watch.
Biden; the opposite of all that. You know, leadership tempered with scientific advice. He's sorely lacking in rage-tweets and golfing expeditions though, his handicap must be terrible.
The Department of Health and Human Services appears to have used a financial maneuver that allowed officials to spend the money without telling Congress, and the agency got permission from its top lawyer to do so. Now, the Biden administration is refusing to say whether the outlay means there will be less money available for hospitals, physicians, nursing homes, and other providers.
Several provider groups said they had not heard that $10 billion for providers was spent on Warp Speed contracts until STAT’s reporting. Congress set aside that money to help health care providers pay for pandemic-related expenses including staffing, personal protective equipment, care for uninsured patients, and vaccine distribution. One of the top hospital lobbyists in D.C., who also did not know about the outlay, emphasized how much some hospitals still need the funding.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/03/02/trump-administ...
I guess a positive is that it wasn't robbed to fund his vanity wall...
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
McConnell's wife- Again Byker, what has this got to do with Biden?
Has Biden commented on it? Was he involved?
It's partisan mudslinging and irrelevant to the thread.
Someone will be along soon to chastise you for criticising byker and not presenting a valid argument.Has Biden commented on it? Was he involved?
It's partisan mudslinging and irrelevant to the thread.
Biden just forgot to involve Congress before he and bomber Harris dropped some ordnance on foreign lands - no biggie eh? Imagine if trump had done that - the gnashing and wailing would be deafening
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 4th March 08:06
purplepenguin said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
McConnell's wife- Again Byker, what has this got to do with Biden?
Has Biden commented on it? Was he involved?
It's partisan mudslinging and irrelevant to the thread.
Someone will be along soon to chastise you for criticising byker and not presenting a valid argument.Has Biden commented on it? Was he involved?
It's partisan mudslinging and irrelevant to the thread.
Biden just forgot to involve Congress before he and bomber Harris dropped some ordnance on foreign lands - no biggie eh? Imagine if trump had done that - the gnashing and wailing would be deafening
Edited by purplepenguin on Thursday 4th March 08:06
Vanden Saab said:
It would be nice to have somewhere to discuss Bidens failings as well as his success but as this is impossible here as it can only be he didn't do it or Trump was worse, I will leave you to your fawning echo chamber.
Maybe you could start by quitting the cut-and-run act? Why not answer this?paulguitar said:
Vanden Saab said:
FTFY
Or are you seriously suggesting that the Democrats or anybody posting in the Trump thread for the last 4 years actually accepted the Trump victory and did not suggest it was rigged because you know, it is all there in black and white.
You appear to be demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding here, Senor Saab.Or are you seriously suggesting that the Democrats or anybody posting in the Trump thread for the last 4 years actually accepted the Trump victory and did not suggest it was rigged because you know, it is all there in black and white.
I do not think anyone suggested that during the 2016 election, suitcases full of votes were 'found', voting machines hacked remotely en masse from Italy, thousands of deceased folks voted, etc, etc, although I am happy to be corrected if you have evidence otherwise...
However, a significant and well-organized Russian campaign to interfere with the election was uncovered, and subsequently, a Senate report was carried out, which was led by Republicans. This showed overwhelming evidence that the concerns were well-founded.
Did you somehow mix up those two situations?
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