46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

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Lily the Pink

3,628 posts

135 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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I hesitate to ask, but can someone summarise Biden's policies, particularly as they might affect the UK ? I have heard that he is less well disposed towards the UK than Trump was (possibly because he is allegedly strongly pro-Irish ?), which might well be reflected in trade negotiations. What about NATO, WHO, UN, China, Russia, ... ?

Castrol for a knave

2,078 posts

56 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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Lily the Pink said:
I hesitate to ask, but can someone summarise Biden's policies, particularly as they might affect the UK ? I have heard that he is less well disposed towards the UK than Trump was (possibly because he is allegedly strongly pro-Irish ?), which might well be reflected in trade negotiations. What about NATO, WHO, UN, China, Russia, ... ?
On the UK relationship. I work for a US based firm and our house view is that Biden is ambivalent about the UK, and in the long run, will not seek to aggressively exploit UK markets.

SantaBarbarian

37 posts

7 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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As an American, I'm happy to see some return to normalcy.

Joe with his 1967 Corvette, that he has owned for over 50 years.


NerveAgent

1,492 posts

185 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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Nice!

Just watched him giving it some beans in a Jay Leno clip

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

88 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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“ What A Joe Biden Presidency Might Mean For The U.K.”

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/03/929628586/what-a-jo...

Tartan Pixie

1,877 posts

112 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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Castrol for a knave said:
Lily the Pink said:
I hesitate to ask, but can someone summarise Biden's policies, particularly as they might affect the UK ? I have heard that he is less well disposed towards the UK than Trump was (possibly because he is allegedly strongly pro-Irish ?), which might well be reflected in trade negotiations. What about NATO, WHO, UN, China, Russia, ... ?
On the UK relationship. I work for a US based firm and our house view is that Biden is ambivalent about the UK, and in the long run, will not seek to aggressively exploit UK markets.
Biden being pro Ireland is a media red herring. The UK government have no interest in damaging a trade partner like Ireland so if anything it should give the USA and UK opportunity to bond over something that all politicians enjoy, an opportunity to magnanimously declare victory when a mess is resolved that they themselves created.

Biden may well be less antagonistic towards the EU however if you look at where the UK is geographically then I think the long terms consequences of having an EU and USA who like each other if fundamentally in the UK's best interest.

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Regarding a trade deal the role of president or Prime Minister is to decide if they want their country to do a deal then maybe haggle some of the big stuff at the end, so in a situation like USA/UK where that decision had already been made their role is largely moot as trade deals are done by negotiators from the respective countries foreign office, so any outcome will rely on the depth and breadth of expertise each side is able to marshal. In this respect I'm going to say Biden is more competent but it'll basically be a similar team whoever the president is.

Of far more consequence is the UK's ability to find the required talent and keep it for the duration. Boris and co should by now understand that to get a good deal you need to be able to walk from it but I'm worried about their willingness to do so with the USA. Their own estimates are predicting only a 0.16% GDP boost which will be unevenly spread around the UK any may not be in the interest of voters as there will be losses as well as gains within that 0.16%. IMO having the UK government sell us short is a bigger danger than any change on the American side: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51706802

In a scenario where the UK says 'not good enough' and walks I imagine Biden would be better for the UK as he'd be able to accept this without throwing his toys out the pram. On the other hand Trump could possibly have been encouraged in to a preferential deal for the UK by bribing him with some shiny bauble of property in London, maybe we could have sold him a bridge? Which is a better situation for the UK is impossible to tell because we'll never know the counterfactual.

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NATO and China I'm not expecting big policy changes. There's little fundamental difference between Rep and Dem policies other than the mental bit that tended to appear on Twitter. The pivot to Asia started under Obama and Trump's trade secretary, Robert Lightzigher, always had a much longer term view than Trump himself so there's quite a lot of policy continuation from Obama through Trump and likely on to Biden.

The pivot to Asia will continue, if with less bombast, which in turn requires European countries to deal with a smaller American presence with regards to Russia and the middle east as America wants to concentrate on the Pacific. The only real difference is not what Biden will do but how he'll do it, namely by being friends with European countries rather driving a wedge between USA and EU, something I would regard as a strong positive for the UK.

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The Bretton Woods stuff (WTO, IMF, WB) is going to be interesting to see what Biden does. They've had four years to adapt to life without America and are too complex as institutions for us on the outside to really understand what differences Trump has wrought, though I expect Biden will understand their functions and where they fit in to America's interests far better than Trump ever did.

Randy Winkman

9,602 posts

154 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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Castrol for a knave said:
Lily the Pink said:
I hesitate to ask, but can someone summarise Biden's policies, particularly as they might affect the UK ? I have heard that he is less well disposed towards the UK than Trump was (possibly because he is allegedly strongly pro-Irish ?), which might well be reflected in trade negotiations. What about NATO, WHO, UN, China, Russia, ... ?
On the UK relationship. I work for a US based firm and our house view is that Biden is ambivalent about the UK, and in the long run, will not seek to aggressively exploit UK markets.
That's a fair point but was there any real evidence we were going to get anything good out of Trump? I'm quite happy to hear if there was. smile

Byker28i

34,378 posts

182 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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B'stard Child said:
Alucidnation said:
Byker28i said:
Should we start a new thread - ex potus trump, now Individual #1
fking hell, what on earth are you going to do now Trump is going?

laugh
Well he's got till January to worry about that biggrin
They'll be years of court cases to report on, the revelations that were hidden during trumps time in office, all the dirt that will be unveiled biggrin

Byker28i

34,378 posts

182 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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Eric Mc said:
blackrabbit said:
More capable than you looking at the calibre of your insults and response's. Do I like a large deficit? No. I didn't under Obama either. Difference is I see economic expansion as the way to grow the economy and reduce the deficit. Not use the deficit as a way to re-distribute wealth. If Democrats ever get a tax increase they won't use it to pay down the deficit. Look at the add-ons in the stalled Covid bill right now to see how the Democrats will increase the deficit even further.
At long last you managed to answer the question. It's like getting blood from a stone.

So, you are happy with large deficits - as long as they are Republican ones. And being Trump, it's the biggest and best deficit ever. Your man must have really pleased you.

Sadly for you, your man has been exposed for the fraud and idiot he always was. I sometimes wonder what type of idiot persists with support for an even bigger idiot.
Unity in strength?
BR has orange tinted glasses, makes up stuff that blatantly is untrue and can't provide any sources for his claims, yet keeps repeating the same stuff worded differently

Byker28i

34,378 posts

182 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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SantaBarbarian said:
As an American, I'm happy to see some return to normalcy.

Joe with his 1967 Corvette, that he has owned for over 50 years.

and again,won't be allowed to drive it

Lord Marylebone

12,910 posts

145 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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Byker28i said:
SantaBarbarian said:
As an American, I'm happy to see some return to normalcy.

Joe with his 1967 Corvette, that he has owned for over 50 years.

and again,won't be allowed to drive it
That isn't actually a law of any kind, just strictly enforced Secret Service policy.

If an ex president really wanted to drive on public roads there isn't anything legally stopping them, just very strong words of advice from the secret service.

Scrump

13,628 posts

123 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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CNN and the BBC have called the result.
Looks like this thread title is correct.

The Rotrex Kid

24,037 posts

125 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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BBC have said it too.


zygalski

Original Poster:

7,311 posts

110 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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Trump: We got Jawjaa
rofl

powerstroke

10,274 posts

125 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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Good result and the Republicans hold the senate so the chance for Dem mischief is limited ..
Hopefully Trump will stop winding up rednecks and be a statesman instead ...

BlackTails

620 posts

20 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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Biden will need a cabinet. That includes an Attorney General, who will have to oversee DOJ prosecutions for breaches of federal laws.

I wonder whether that former prosecutor Hillary Rodham Clinton has any time in her busy schedule.

rscott

11,863 posts

156 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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powerstroke said:
Good result and the Republicans hold the senate so the chance for Dem mischief is limited ..
Hopefully Trump will stop winding up rednecks and be a statesman instead ...
Senate still up for grabs - there are 2 Georgia seats being re-run in January.

The Rotrex Kid

24,037 posts

125 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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BlackTails said:
Biden will need a cabinet. That includes an Attorney General, who will have to oversee DOJ prosecutions for breaches of federal laws.

I wonder whether that former prosecutor Hillary Rodham Clinton has any time in her busy schedule.
That would be amazing.

PrinceRupert

10,238 posts

50 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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powerstroke said:
Good result and the Republicans hold the senate so the chance for Dem mischief is limited ..
Hopefully Trump will stop winding up rednecks and be a statesman instead ...
Why on earth would you expect Trump to act statesmanlike?

PeteinSQ

1,432 posts

175 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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The Rotrex Kid said:
That would be amazing.
Lock him up!

God how I would love that.