Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

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stichill99

548 posts

145 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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I clearly remember thinking when we had to vote whether we wanted a Scottish Parliament that there's enough useless politicians down South why do we need more useless ones costing us millions up here. I voted NO NO then and I have been proved right!

hidetheelephants

16,942 posts

157 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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TheJimi said:
What he said was (I think) "You being a lawyer"

YouTube subtitles showed it as -



That tickled me hehe

biggbn

9,629 posts

184 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Wombat3 said:
No surprise there then , it has always been little more than a parish council with an overinflated view of its own importance. Waste of time & money.
Just a mirror of the clown show at Westminster. If any of this confederacy of dunces told me you got wet when it rains I'd have to go check for myself on principle.

biggbn

9,629 posts

184 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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For a woman who has been a consumate politician and displays an almost photographic grasp of facts, figures and dates to play the 'I don't remember' card about what must have been a cataclysmic event involving an old and dear friend is beyond belief. This is a complete kick in the face for her supporters, another display of arrogance about her position and their blind allegiance.

csd19

1,408 posts

81 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Wombat3 said:
Nath911t said:
This has made Scottish G'ment look like it is run by a bunch of clueless chimps. IMO.
No surprise there then , it has always been little more than a parish council with an overinflated view of its own importance. Waste of time & money.
That's a bit unfair on chimps imho, at least they could make a cup of tea.

TheJimi

19,497 posts

207 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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biggbn said:
For a woman who has been a consumate politician and displays an almost photographic grasp of facts, figures and dates to play the 'I don't remember' card about what must have been a cataclysmic event involving an old and dear friend is beyond belief. This is a complete kick in the face for her supporters, another display of arrogance about her position and their blind allegiance.
Wholeheartedly agree.

Earthdweller

7,109 posts

90 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Im perplexed and at a loss to the claims of “I don’t recall” and “I can’t remember”

The civil servant stating she made notes of meetings and immediately destroyed them I find incredulous

I worked in a public sector organisation where we had “day books” as well as official notebooks

All had to be retained for a minimum of 7 years, when I retired I had to hand them in for retention

Emails could not be deleted from the system, although they could be from your personal inbox and doing so they went into some archive for retention

And my role was far from that of FM
or head of the civil service

Just not credible at all

Dr Jekyll

21,237 posts

225 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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It's an interesting combination of failing to remember what anyone would expect her to remember, with her absolute certainty that Salmond's witnesses recollections are inaccurate and she didn't use those words.

techguyone

2,377 posts

106 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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biggbn said:
For a woman who has been a consumate politician and displays an almost photographic grasp of facts, figures and dates to play the 'I don't remember' card about what must have been a cataclysmic event involving an old and dear friend is beyond belief. This is a complete kick in the face for her supporters, another display of arrogance about her position and their blind allegiance.
I wish nippy a hearty ‘get well’ from that condition known as Sturgheimers - a rapid degeneration in mental faculties when called to a Parliamentary enquiry, with an equally rapid recovery when clear and dry.

biggbn

9,629 posts

184 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Is there another job where mounting a defence of 'I don't remember' in the face of alleged malpractice would be deemed acceptable in any way, shape or form? The pub down the road from me is opening tomorrow, I'm going to pop in for a pint after I've been to the newly opened gym because, now get this, none of us can remember the lockdown rules...

Greedydog

549 posts

159 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Earthdweller said:
Im perplexed and at a loss to the claims of “I don’t recall” and “I can’t remember”

The civil servant stating she made notes of meetings and immediately destroyed them I find incredulous

I worked in a public sector organisation where we had “day books” as well as official notebooks

All had to be retained for a minimum of 7 years, when I retired I had to hand them in for retention

Emails could not be deleted from the system, although they could be from your personal inbox and doing so they went into some archive for retention

And my role was far from that of FM
or head of the civil service

Just not credible at all
I work in financial services. Minutes of every governance committee, sub committee and project meeting are kept for a minimum of 12 years. Minutes of meetings with clients are kept for the life of the relationship plus 7 years. Communications and minutes of meetings with regulators are retained indefinitely. Evidence of all other control activities is kept indefinitely.

The records described above are subject to regular internal and external audit, as well as regulatory inspections from a number of global regulators. If evidence for something, including discussions at meetings, cannot be produced when required then the assumption is that it didn't happen (or the reverse if not happening would be positive).

I am incredulous that the highest echelons of the Scottish Government routinely appear not to retain any evidence of the pertinent discussions. If that happened in my business the CEO, CCO and CAO would all be for the chop, and likely unemployable again in the industry. That alone should be a resigning matter for Sturgeon and Evans.




Edited by Greedydog on Wednesday 3rd March 21:19

NRS

17,083 posts

165 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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It's enough to get me to sort out my postal voting options. I have been outside the country for 10 years now, so didn't vote before as I didn't think it too fair given I wouldn't be affected by many of the decisions of my possible vote. But need to try and hold them to some responsibility, given how clearly screwed up the separation between party, government and justice system is now.

Earthdweller

7,109 posts

90 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Greedydog said:
Earthdweller said:
Im perplexed and at a loss to the claims of “I don’t recall” and “I can’t remember”

The civil servant stating she made notes of meetings and immediately destroyed them I find incredulous

I worked in a public sector organisation where we had “day books” as well as official notebooks

All had to be retained for a minimum of 7 years, when I retired I had to hand them in for retention

Emails could not be deleted from the system, although they could be from your personal inbox and doing so they went into some archive for retention

And my role was far from that of FM
or head of the civil service

Just not credible at all
I work in financial services. Minutes of every governance committee, sub committee and project meeting are kept for a minimum of 12 years. Minutes of meetings with clients are kept for the life of the relationship plus 7 years. Communications and minutes of meetings with regulators are retained indefinitely. Evidence of all other control activities is kept indefinitely.

The records described above are subject to regular internal and external audit, as well as regulatory inspections from a number of global regulators. If evidence for something, including discussions at meetings, cannot be produced when required then the assumption is that it didn't happen (or the reverse if not happening would be positive).

I am incredulous that the highest echelons of the Scottish Government appear not to retain any evidence of the pertinent discussions. If that happened in my business the CEO, CCO and CAO would all be for the chop, and likely unemployable again in the industry. That alone should be a resigning matter for Sturgeon and Evans.
Agreed

Everything was a minimum 7 years regardless

Stuff relating to convictions was kept for longer and in certain cases it will be retained forever

I gave evidence at Maidstone Crown Court in the early 2000’s from a notebook entry from 1987 some
14/15 years earlier

They tracked me down by finding who had been on duty that day and then contacted me with the notes and said “are these your notes”

It was accepted that every note you made at work and every email could be evidential in the future particularly around decision logs

It’s beyond Belief really that the most senior civil servant in Scotland would “apparantly”
routinely destroy notes of govt meetings often immediately after writing them

Just beyond belief

Greedydog

549 posts

159 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Earthdweller said:
Greedydog said:
Earthdweller said:
Im perplexed and at a loss to the claims of “I don’t recall” and “I can’t remember”

The civil servant stating she made notes of meetings and immediately destroyed them I find incredulous

I worked in a public sector organisation where we had “day books” as well as official notebooks

All had to be retained for a minimum of 7 years, when I retired I had to hand them in for retention

Emails could not be deleted from the system, although they could be from your personal inbox and doing so they went into some archive for retention

And my role was far from that of FM
or head of the civil service

Just not credible at all
I work in financial services. Minutes of every governance committee, sub committee and project meeting are kept for a minimum of 12 years. Minutes of meetings with clients are kept for the life of the relationship plus 7 years. Communications and minutes of meetings with regulators are retained indefinitely. Evidence of all other control activities is kept indefinitely.

The records described above are subject to regular internal and external audit, as well as regulatory inspections from a number of global regulators. If evidence for something, including discussions at meetings, cannot be produced when required then the assumption is that it didn't happen (or the reverse if not happening would be positive).

I am incredulous that the highest echelons of the Scottish Government appear not to retain any evidence of the pertinent discussions. If that happened in my business the CEO, CCO and CAO would all be for the chop, and likely unemployable again in the industry. That alone should be a resigning matter for Sturgeon and Evans.
Agreed

Everything was a minimum 7 years regardless

Stuff relating to convictions was kept for longer and in certain cases it will be retained forever

I gave evidence at Maidstone Crown Court in the early 2000’s from a notebook entry from 1987 some
14/15 years earlier

They tracked me down by finding who had been on duty that day and then contacted me with the notes and said “are these your notes”

It was accepted that every note you made at work and every email could be evidential in the future particularly around decision logs

It’s beyond Belief really that the most senior civil servant in Scotland would “apparantly”
routinely destroy notes of govt meetings often immediately after writing them

Just beyond belief
Indeed, why take the notes if you're going to destroy them soon thereafter? It's either incredibly unprofessional and incompetent or dishonest. Simply inexcusable.

darreni

2,791 posts

234 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Greedydog said:
I work in financial services. Minutes of every governance committee, sub committee and project meeting are kept for a minimum of 12 years. Minutes of meetings with clients are kept for the life of the relationship plus 7 years. Communications and minutes of meetings with regulators are retained indefinitely. Evidence of all other control activities is kept indefinitely.

The records described above are subject to regular internal and external audit, as well as regulatory inspections from a number of global regulators. If evidence for something, including discussions at meetings, cannot be produced when required then the assumption is that it didn't happen (or the reverse if not happening would be positive).

I am incredulous that the highest echelons of the Scottish Government routinely appear not to retain any evidence of the pertinent discussions. If that happened in my business the CEO, CCO and CAO would all be for the chop, and likely unemployable again in the industry. That alone should be a resigning matter for Sturgeon and Evans.




Edited by Greedydog on Wednesday 3rd March 21:19
Yep, totally agree, that is also my experience of running a regulated financial services business.

Burwood

17,023 posts

210 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Jasey_ said:
Ridgemont said:
Gave up around half way through.
Saw her puss filled face for 2 seconds (it was the one where she looks more like a bulldog chewing a wasp than usual) and decided it wasn't for me.

Doesn't sound like I missed much.
Aye- she’d done like a kipper. No point listening to it. It’s painful-even she knows it’s utter ste.career over

CAPP0

17,622 posts

167 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Ridgemont said:
she was clearly evasive and almost certainly (as per wings) lying.
It was very striking to me how much time she spent staring at the floor whilst responding/speaking. Poor body language at best. Is that not a classic sign of truth avoidance?

stevensdrs

2,766 posts

164 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Effie Deans has a good article on Sturgeons performance today. Worth a read.

is-uk

1,272 posts

180 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Salmond may have provided the Committee with more documenturary evidence https://twitter.com/MarkW_1965/status/136720361831...

Ridgemont

4,349 posts

95 months

Thursday 4th March
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is-uk said:
Salmond may have provided the Committee with more documenturary evidence https://twitter.com/MarkW_1965/status/136720361831...
Much as I admire his commitment to the pursuit of justice and spoon feeding them curveballs it won’t matter a jot as far as the committee is concerned.

NS may be called again: she will lie. The SNP members will ensure the judgement is anodyne. This is not an investigation going anywhere.