47th President of the United States - Donald Trump
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Wheelspinning said:
They unleashed a game changing weapon that cannot be intercepted as it travels at mach 10, induces 4000* temperatures, can land it and destroy wherever they want including underground nuclear bunkers with none of the side effects of a nuclear weapon.
This is the only card they need.
Any Ukraine targets can now be decimated without the use of nuclear weapons if Putin decides as such, now that he was backed into a corner by the supply and launching of the ballistic missiles from the USA and UK and decided to show what he had up his sleeve.
So far, I have been unable to find any social media posts by warfare experts that has an alternative viewpoint to the unleashing of this new weapon and how it tipped the balance of power.
They walk among us. This is the only card they need.
Any Ukraine targets can now be decimated without the use of nuclear weapons if Putin decides as such, now that he was backed into a corner by the supply and launching of the ballistic missiles from the USA and UK and decided to show what he had up his sleeve.
So far, I have been unable to find any social media posts by warfare experts that has an alternative viewpoint to the unleashing of this new weapon and how it tipped the balance of power.
Wheelspinning said:
They unleashed a game changing weapon that cannot be intercepted as it travels at mach 10, induces 4000* temperatures, can land it and destroy wherever they want including underground nuclear bunkers with none of the side effects of a nuclear weapon.
This is the only card they need.
Any Ukraine targets can now be decimated without the use of nuclear weapons if Putin decides as such, now that he was backed into a corner by the supply and launching of the ballistic missiles from the USA and UK and decided to show what he had up his sleeve.
So far, I have been unable to find any social media posts by warfare experts that has an alternative viewpoint to the unleashing of this new weapon and how it tipped the balance of power.
Were you unaware of ICBMs before? This is the only card they need.
Any Ukraine targets can now be decimated without the use of nuclear weapons if Putin decides as such, now that he was backed into a corner by the supply and launching of the ballistic missiles from the USA and UK and decided to show what he had up his sleeve.
So far, I have been unable to find any social media posts by warfare experts that has an alternative viewpoint to the unleashing of this new weapon and how it tipped the balance of power.
Maybe you should stop reading Russian shill accounts.
gregs656 said:
Were you unaware of ICBMs before?
Maybe you should stop reading Russian shill accounts.
I had no idea there so many military ICBM experts on here....wow.Maybe you should stop reading Russian shill accounts.
Funny how it's the same 'poll' experts that were banging on here about Trump being finished and Harris walking it.
You must all be correct then, and these US & UK military experts on all these 'Russian shill' stations such as BBC, ITV, SKY etc to name a few are wayyy off the mark.
Phew!
Minor panic over; as you were
Wheelspinning said:
gregs656 said:
Were you unaware of ICBMs before?
Maybe you should stop reading Russian shill accounts.
I had no idea there so many military ICBM experts on here....wow.Maybe you should stop reading Russian shill accounts.
Funny how it's the same 'poll' experts that were banging on here about Trump being finished and Harris walking it.
You must all be correct then, and these US & UK military experts on all these 'Russian shill' stations such as BBC, ITV, SKY etc to name a few are wayyy off the mark.
Phew!
Minor panic over; as you were
Wheelspinning said:
gregs656 said:
Were you unaware of ICBMs before?
Maybe you should stop reading Russian shill accounts.
I had no idea there so many military ICBM experts on here....wow.Maybe you should stop reading Russian shill accounts.
Funny how it's the same 'poll' experts that were banging on here about Trump being finished and Harris walking it.
You must all be correct then, and these US & UK military experts on all these 'Russian shill' stations such as BBC, ITV, SKY etc to name a few are wayyy off the mark.
Phew!
Minor panic over; as you were
ICBMs are extremely powerful weapons, but they’re not new. I just had a quick look at the sources you mention and the reporting seems consistent with that.
Wheelspinning said:
gregs656 said:
Were you unaware of ICBMs before?
Maybe you should stop reading Russian shill accounts.
I had no idea there so many military ICBM experts on here....wow.Maybe you should stop reading Russian shill accounts.
Funny how it's the same 'poll' experts that were banging on here about Trump being finished and Harris walking it.
You must all be correct then, and these US & UK military experts on all these 'Russian shill' stations such as BBC, ITV, SKY etc to name a few are wayyy off the mark.
Phew!
Minor panic over; as you were
98elise said:
I'm an ex-Navy Weapons Engineer so do have some experience. My job was shooting missiles down.
Yeah? Well, Ive been playing Harpoon since 1994 
98elise said:
Putin saying it's unstoppable sounds like the usual b
ks. What protection does it have against Aegis, THAAD or an Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle? As I say Mach 10 isn't fast. Elon Musk has rockets that fly faster.
News channels were full of unstoppable hypersonic missile stories when they heard about Kinzhal, then it got shot down by patriot
On a slightly more serious note from what I've readks. What protection does it have against Aegis, THAAD or an Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle? As I say Mach 10 isn't fast. Elon Musk has rockets that fly faster.News channels were full of unstoppable hypersonic missile stories when they heard about Kinzhal, then it got shot down by patriot
1. Kinzhal isn't as fast as an ICBM would be. AIUI it stays within the atmosphere which I'm guessing makes it relatively slower.
2. Oreshnij has MIRVs which are going to be even harder to intercept
3. Ukraine doesn't have Aegis Ashore or THAAD
4. Even the much vaunted multi-layer Israeli ABM defences weren't enough to stop multiple hits on Nevatim Airbase and one near Mossad HQ from "hypersonic missiles" and (I'm guessing) Russia's hypersonic missiles are going to be much better than anything Iran cobbled together.
That being said I don't believe it's a "game changer" as Wheelspinning seems to think. i think it DOES have the ability to F' up Ukraine before Trump forces Zelensky to make peace.
Countdown said:
98elise said:
I'm an ex-Navy Weapons Engineer so do have some experience. My job was shooting missiles down.
Yeah? Well, Ive been playing Harpoon since 1994 98elise said:
Putin saying it's unstoppable sounds like the usual bks. What protection does it have against Aegis, THAAD or an Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle? As I say Mach 10 isn't fast. Elon Musk has rockets that fly faster.
News channels were full of unstoppable hypersonic missile stories when they heard about Kinzhal, then it got shot down by patriot
On a slightly more serious note from what I've readks. What protection does it have against Aegis, THAAD or an Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle? As I say Mach 10 isn't fast. Elon Musk has rockets that fly faster.News channels were full of unstoppable hypersonic missile stories when they heard about Kinzhal, then it got shot down by patriot
1. Kinzhal isn't as fast as an ICBM would be. AIUI it stays within the atmosphere which I'm guessing makes it relatively slower.
2. Oreshnij has MIRVs which are going to be even harder to intercept
3. Ukraine doesn't have Aegis Ashore or THAAD
4. Even the much vaunted multi-layer Israeli ABM defences weren't enough to stop multiple hits on Nevatim Airbase and one near Mossad HQ from "hypersonic missiles" and (I'm guessing) Russia's hypersonic missiles are going to be much better than anything Iran cobbled together.
That being said I don't believe it's a "game changer" as Wheelspinning seems to think. i think it DOES have the ability to F' up Ukraine before Trump forces Zelensky to make peace.
It's certainly a problem for Ukraine if Russia starts producing them in numbers, but the notion of them being unstoppable sounds like b
ks. You just need the right defence.As you say the biggest threat to Ukraines future is Trump.
Edited by 98elise on Saturday 30th November 18:12
Wheelspinning said:
I had no idea there so many military ICBM experts on here....wow.
On a forum of this size you will likely have experts in almost every field, and if not experts people who have worked in that field.Mainstream media rarely gets technical stuff right these days. They are all clamouring for clicks so just write whatever makes a good headline. Putin says he has unstoppable missiles, that's the headline they go with. No need to fact check because they're just quoting Putin.
Sometimes you will get a genuine expert writing a good article but it won't be headline news on Sky, BBC etc. You'll only find them if you're looking for facts on a particular topic.
The Rotrex Kid said:
Wheelspinning said:
gregs656 said:
Were you unaware of ICBMs before?
Maybe you should stop reading Russian shill accounts.
I had no idea there so many military ICBM experts on here....wow.Maybe you should stop reading Russian shill accounts.
Funny how it's the same 'poll' experts that were banging on here about Trump being finished and Harris walking it.
You must all be correct then, and these US & UK military experts on all these 'Russian shill' stations such as BBC, ITV, SKY etc to name a few are wayyy off the mark.
Phew!
Minor panic over; as you were
Did the parrot miss your head.....
paulguitar said:
Wheelspinning said:
gregs656 said:
Were you unaware of ICBMs before?
Maybe you should stop reading Russian shill accounts.
I had no idea there so many military ICBM experts on here....wow.Maybe you should stop reading Russian shill accounts.
Funny how it's the same 'poll' experts that were banging on here about Trump being finished and Harris walking it.
You must all be correct then, and these US & UK military experts on all these 'Russian shill' stations such as BBC, ITV, SKY etc to name a few are wayyy off the mark.
Phew!
Minor panic over; as you were
98elise said:
Wheelspinning said:
I had no idea there so many military ICBM experts on here....wow.
On a forum of this size you will likely have experts in almost every field, and if not experts people who have worked in that field.Mainstream media rarely gets technical stuff right these days. They are all clamouring for clicks so just write whatever makes a good headline. Putin says he has unstoppable missiles, that's the headline they go with. No need to fact check because they're just quoting Putin.
Sometimes you will get a genuine expert writing a good article but it won't be headline news on Sky, BBC etc. You'll only find them if you're looking for facts on a particular topic.
I was meaning gamechanging in Ukraine as you mentioned i cannot see them having a means to intercept, and the new missile was deemed as experimental so I can only assume it shall be improved and more powerful payloads?
Wheelspinning said:
That was established as soon as Trump was the victor and HAMMAS seen the writing on the wall and wanted to 'talk'.
Even so, there would have to be a huge escalation there over a long period to have any real affect on us.
Did you deliberately forget about the green light for the ballistic missile supply and launches at Russia and the very measured response by Putin?
That took about a week, allowed Putin to proper flex and lay down very clear ultimatums to both USA and UK about where that path leads.
It's pathetic that most Biden / Harris posters cannot have replies without goading or putting a 'trigger' in the reply such as 'your hero'.
It's this simple.
Biden was and is completely unfit to be POTUS, and the replacement candidate even more out of her depth.
He is not a hero currently, but if he de-escalates the Ukraine and Israel conflicts which results in China, North Korea and Iran winding their necks in and playing nice, he will be getting close to being a hero.
Currently, the West looks very week after that miscalculated move that has now made Russia look like it has all the cards in the deck.
The sheer fact that Putin reached out with his statements the other day about Trump is definitely a step in the right direction.
If you feel the opposite and escalation is the way ahead, we'll, I don't know what to say.
Bold highlights, nobody has supplied ballistic missiles to Ukraine, the restrictions on using existing cruse missiles such as Storm Shadow and guided artillery such as HIMARS to target Russia have been lifted.Even so, there would have to be a huge escalation there over a long period to have any real affect on us.
Did you deliberately forget about the green light for the ballistic missile supply and launches at Russia and the very measured response by Putin?
That took about a week, allowed Putin to proper flex and lay down very clear ultimatums to both USA and UK about where that path leads.
It's pathetic that most Biden / Harris posters cannot have replies without goading or putting a 'trigger' in the reply such as 'your hero'.
It's this simple.
Biden was and is completely unfit to be POTUS, and the replacement candidate even more out of her depth.
He is not a hero currently, but if he de-escalates the Ukraine and Israel conflicts which results in China, North Korea and Iran winding their necks in and playing nice, he will be getting close to being a hero.
Currently, the West looks very week after that miscalculated move that has now made Russia look like it has all the cards in the deck.
The sheer fact that Putin reached out with his statements the other day about Trump is definitely a step in the right direction.
If you feel the opposite and escalation is the way ahead, we'll, I don't know what to say.
The only way your messier Trump will deescalate Ukraine will by withdrawing all support and allowing Putin to win, with all that entails. Israel he will just remove all constraints on Netanyahu so Gaza can be flattened.
Trump is demonstrably unfit to be anywhere near the White House, unfortunately the US electorate has just told him there are no consequences to anything he does as long as he can get back the Obama era boom - they might be disappointed.
Wheelspinning said:
Thank you for explaining it in a simplified way.
I was meaning gamechanging in Ukraine as you mentioned i cannot see them having a means to intercept, and the new missile was deemed as experimental so I can only assume it shall be improved and more powerful payloads?
It was deemed experimental because it hadn’t been used on the field before. I was meaning gamechanging in Ukraine as you mentioned i cannot see them having a means to intercept, and the new missile was deemed as experimental so I can only assume it shall be improved and more powerful payloads?
Setting that aside: you seemed pretty concerned about Ukraine and the west escalating this conflict… why aren’t you as bothered when the aggressor is escalating?
borcy said:
I'll be surprised if he doesn't find plenty to work on. I'm not sure about this whole 'Deep State' theory but as here, where we have 'the Establishment', I'm sure there are some extremely dodgy relationships and vested interests that could could and should be dismantled.Unreal said:
borcy said:
I'll be surprised if he doesn't find plenty to work on. I'm not sure about this whole 'Deep State' theory but as here, where we have 'the Establishment', I'm sure there are some extremely dodgy relationships and vested interests that could could and should be dismantled.borcy said:
Unreal said:
borcy said:
I'll be surprised if he doesn't find plenty to work on. I'm not sure about this whole 'Deep State' theory but as here, where we have 'the Establishment', I'm sure there are some extremely dodgy relationships and vested interests that could could and should be dismantled.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff