47th President of the United States - Donald Trump

[g4ry13]

williamp said:

g4ry13 said:

williamp said:

Theres also a deepfake video emerging showing Biden saying Putin has "..as much courage and determination as he has"

At this point do people really need to bother making deepfakes? The reality is bad enough.

well hopefully he'll address these and more at the "big boy" news conference due soon.

Yes, the white house officials really are calling it the "big boy" news conference. The optics are shocking. And there are images of the news conference having telepromtpers. So will the questions be known in advance?

1 minute in and he's doing ok so far.

edit: I jinxed it.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Presidents Zelensky's face when Biden introduced him as president Putin was priceless! It was a classic WTF! moment.

[NuckyThompson]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Presidents Zelensky's face when Biden introduced him as president Putin was priceless! It was a classic WTF! moment.

I do wonder if after that he does get told the truth by another world leader like Zelensky. Does Zelensky meet with him after and go "WTF?" thats deeply offensive!"

[g4ry13]

NuckyThompson said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Presidents Zelensky's face when Biden introduced him as president Putin was priceless! It was a classic WTF! moment.

I do wonder if after that he does get told the truth by another world leader like Zelensky. Does Zelensky meet with him after and go "WTF?" thats deeply offensive!"

Biden did realise straight away.

Of course Zelensky wouldn't say a thing as he's a scrounger and the USA is one of the largest contributors to Ukraine - why bite the hand that feeds?

[President Merkin]

Scrounger? Really? Were we scroungers then in WW2 trying to hold back Germany in an existential conflict & begging the USA for food, aid & materiel?

Biden should go but remember, if Trump wins, he hands Ukraine to Putin on day one. If you want Russia on Poland's borders then you need your bumps felt. All dictators understand is force. Biden, for all his decline still grasps that.

[Randy Winkman]

g4ry13 said:

"scrounger"

Dear oh dear.

[thatsprettyshady]

President Merkin said:

Scrounger? Really? Were we scroungers then in WW2 trying to hold back Germany in an existential conflict & begging the USA for food, aid & materiel?

Biden should go but remember, if Trump wins, he hands Ukraine to Putin on day one. If you want Russia on Poland's borders then you need your bumps felt. All dictators understand is force. Biden, for all his decline still grasps that.

This is probably the wrong thread for this, but do you think Ukraine have any hope of regaining control of any of the territories they have lost? I would suggest that they will not. To me it would be a smart move to end the conflict at 2020 borders and be done with it. It's not great but lets be honest everyone has made it quite clear that they are only giving Ukraine enough to fight a defensive war, not go on the offence to take anything back. Why send more people into the meat grinder when clearly no side is gaining any ground. End the war.

I think if peace happens on Day 1, it wouldn't be a bad thing. Putin is a and his invasion of Ukraine was a bad thing, but it's happened now and there is no way Putin will be "beaten" in this war, Ukraine have not and will not be given the means to do it.

[g4ry13]

President Merkin said:

Scrounger? Really? Were we scroungers then in WW2 trying to hold back Germany in an existential conflict & begging the USA for food, aid & materiel?

Biden should go but remember, if Trump wins, he hands Ukraine to Putin on day one. If you want Russia on Poland's borders then you need your bumps felt. All dictators understand is force. Biden, for all his decline still grasps that.

USA only really dug into their pocket for WW2 after Pearl Harbour.

Sun Tzu said "Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across."

I think it's foolish to think that Russia are going to pack up the war effort and return back to Russia. Spending billions on weaponry is not really helping with a solution to end things.

There has to be a dialogue to end things (as there is with all wars) and Biden did state he wasn't ready to talk to Putin. Although in fairness, he did contradict himself about a minute later and say he's prepared to speak with any leader including Putin.

Edited by g4ry13 on Friday 12th July 14:50

[President Merkin]

Ah, the non answer with a healthy dose of capitulation. I can also only surmise you do think we were scroungers in WW2 then.

thatsprettyshady said:

I think if peace happens on Day 1, it wouldn't be a bad thing. Putin is a and his invasion of Ukraine was a bad thing, but it's happened now and there is no way Putin will be "beaten" in this war, Ukraine have not and will not be given the means to do it.

I disagree. Putin cannot afford this war indefinitely. we know now they have haemorrhaged a generation of soldiers and I am very attracted to the idea of Russia's war machine being degraded for about 5-6% of US GDP & no lives lost. Seems a bargain to me. But back to Joe.

Edited by President Merkin on Friday 12th July 15:04

[hidetheelephants]

thatsprettyshady said:

This is probably the wrong thread for this, but do you think Ukraine have any hope of regaining control of any of the territories they have lost? I would suggest that they will not. To me it would be a smart move to end the conflict at 2020 borders and be done with it.

I have no idea what this means, are you taking advice from Joe?

[g4ry13]

President Merkin said:

Ah, the non answer with a healthy dose of capitulation. I can also only surmise you do think we were scroungers in WW2 then.

I don't wish to massively derail on #47. It was also one instance I stuck up for Biden too.

The point is that Biden and the stance of the West to keep funding the war effort is not going to provide any solution to ending things. Maybe that's by design.

As the saying goes: 'Jaw, jaw is better than war, war"

[thatsprettyshady]

hidetheelephants said:

thatsprettyshady said:

This is probably the wrong thread for this, but do you think Ukraine have any hope of regaining control of any of the territories they have lost? I would suggest that they will not. To me it would be a smart move to end the conflict at 2020 borders and be done with it.

I have no idea what this means, are you taking advice from Joe?

Dunno, I didn’t st my pants whilst typing it so I guess not.

Edited by thatsprettyshady on Friday 12th July 15:19

[Pan Pan Pan]

g4ry13 said:

NuckyThompson said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Presidents Zelensky's face when Biden introduced him as president Putin was priceless! It was a classic WTF! moment.

I do wonder if after that he does get told the truth by another world leader like Zelensky. Does Zelensky meet with him after and go "WTF?" thats deeply offensive!"

Biden did realise straight away.

Of course Zelensky wouldn't say a thing as he's a scrounger and the USA is one of the largest contributors to Ukraine - why bite the hand that feeds?

Perhaps Zelensky should have said. thank you President Trump? Biden should not have made the gaffe in the first place.

[The Rotrex Kid]

g4ry13 said:

There has to be a dialogue to end things (as there is with all wars)

Without being too facetious, WW2 was ended without dialogue (mostly), the Russians marched on Berlin and Hitler shot himself, whilst the Americans nuked Japan killing hundreds of thousands before they capitulated.

Dialogue is great, if both parties want to end on the same terms. Putin is a madman who wants to obliterate and control Ukraine. Dialogue isn’t really the answer right now.

[borcy]

Indeed, there seems to be a thing where an equal peace is seen as the only way to end a war. History tells us it's not the case at all.

[isaldiri]

The Rotrex Kid said:

Without being too facetious, WW2 was ended without dialogue (mostly), the Russians marched on Berlin and Hitler shot himself, whilst the Americans nuked Japan killing hundreds of thousands before they capitulated.

Dialogue is great, if both parties want to end on the same terms. Putin is a madman who wants to obliterate and control Ukraine. Dialogue isn’t really the answer right now.

Well, given that destroying a country to the point where it unconditionally surrenders is unusual compared to 'having dialogue' to ensure some kind of cessation of hostilities. It doesn't look likely that Ukraine are going to be able to force Russia to unconditionally surrender anytime soon so dialogue looks a little more likely than not.

[borcy]

Not necessarily, in ww1 germany didn't destroy russia when it surrendered.
Very few troops on German soil when they surrendered in ww1.

[isaldiri]

borcy said:

Not necessarily, in ww1 germany didn't destroy russia when it surrendered.
Very few troops on German soil when they surrendered in ww1.

And what about the rest of the 20th century conflicts? I'd still say achieving a clear military victory resulting in capitulation by one side as compared some negotiated compromise that ends up in favour of the stroger side is rather less often the outcome. In the case of ukraine - the korea war seems a rather more likely parallel than either of the world wars.

[borcy]

isaldiri said:

borcy said:

Not necessarily, in ww1 germany didn't destroy russia when it surrendered.
Very few troops on German soil when they surrendered in ww1.

And what about the rest of the 20th century conflicts? I'd still say achieving a clear military victory resulting in capitulation by one side as compared some negotiated compromise that ends up in favour of the stroger side is rather less often the outcome. In the case of ukraine - the korea war seems a rather more likely parallel than either of the world wars.

That's why I said not necessarily, ie not true in all cases but remains true in some.

We can only make that judgement at the end.

The Germans in WW1 were fighting on a static front, grinding offensives, heavily dependant on artillery, a (allied) media outcry about the lack of shells. Then the whole front collapsed. There's similarities I'd say.

I'm not saying I've got a crystal ball, but wars do take unforeseen turns and any collapse can often come as a surprise.

[lrdisco]

g4ry13 said:

USA only really dug into their pocket for WW2 after Pearl Harbour.

Sun Tzu said "Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across."

I think it's foolish to think that Russia are going to pack up the war effort and return back to Russia. Spending billions on weaponry is not really helping with a solution to end things.

There has to be a dialogue to end things (as there is with all wars) and Biden did state he wasn't ready to talk to Putin. Although in fairness, he did contradict himself about a minute later and say he's prepared to speak with any leader including Putin.

Edited by g4ry13 on Friday 12th July 14:50

Did the Taliban have dialogue in Afghanistan with Russia or the Western allies?