2021 Budget Predictions

2021 Budget Predictions

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Sophisticated Sarah

13,286 posts

133 months

Sunday 14th February
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Probably further punishments for the self employed.

Capt. Howdy

12,645 posts

153 months

Sunday 14th February
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Sophisticated Sarah said:
Probably further punishments for the self employed.
Further?
What do they have now?

vulture1

8,428 posts

143 months

Sunday 14th February
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Brainpox said:
Public sector pay freeze
Extend stamp duty relief to after the summer
Some proposals to encourage spending at hospitality venues, when they are allowed to re-open
Fuel duty must surely be raided now?
Given there's still plenty of time before the next election I wonder if they'd do something like reducing tax-free allowance?
Can you imagine the outrage that will come with the public sector pay freeze. Even though a huge chunk of the private sector has been destroyed.

FWIW

1,961 posts

61 months

Sunday 14th February
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992_GT3 said:
They already do.
Haha...I guess he meant at a proper rate.

992_GT3

286 posts

3 months

Sunday 14th February
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FWIW said:
Haha...I guess he meant at a proper rate.
They pay the same rates as every other business.

Shnozz

22,931 posts

235 months

Sunday 14th February
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Sophisticated Sarah said:
Probably further punishments for the self employed.
Sadly that’s what I envisage too and some noises already. Convenient how corporation tax largely seems overlooked and how the government happily deem a director as self-employed when they see fit and employed when it suits them.

Jamescrs

1,792 posts

29 months

Sunday 14th February
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vulture1 said:
Can you imagine the outrage that will come with the public sector pay freeze. Even though a huge chunk of the private sector has been destroyed.
They were already putting out the idea of a Public sector pay freeze except the NHS so whilst I don't agree with it I think the wider public will probably accept it

brickwall

3,433 posts

174 months

Sunday 14th February
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My predictions:

Tax:
- Stamp duty holiday ends, or is restricted to first-time-buyers only
- CGT rises to 40% (or is counted as income)
- Tax relief on pension contributions is capped at 20%
- Little bits added to alcohol, cigarettes, and sugary-drinks taxes - all under the auspices of getting the nation healthier

Spending:
Big £££ will go on:
- Jobs: extending flexi-furlough, employment bonuses, job creation schemes (including direct government investments e.g. HS2), etc.
- Education: catch-up schemes for schools, adult retraining, skills guarantees, etc.

Also expect:
- Universal Credit £20 increase to be reduced down (or removed), and replaced by a US-style one-off stimulus cheque.
- Public sector pay freeze, excluding NHS
- No big moves on defence, transport, culture. Some tokenism but no big money.

amgmcqueen

2,332 posts

114 months

Sunday 14th February
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Public sector pay freeze.
MP's salaries slashed by 50%.
Number of MPs reduced.
Scrap the HOLs.
Scrap HS2.
Scrap foreign aid.
Scrap benefits.
Scrap the Barnett Formula.
Tax Amazon, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Microsoft etc 50%.
Raise CGT.
10p litre on fuel.
5% on a packet of fags.
Toll the Channel tunnel.

elanfan

4,676 posts

191 months

Sunday 14th February
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I have personal knowledge of several friends who are self employed and they pay virtually no tax as their accountants somehow manage arrange it so. How about the self employed start paying their fair share would be a start!

Macron

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6,127 posts

130 months

Sunday 14th February
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vulture1 said:
Brainpox said:
Public sector pay freeze
Extend stamp duty relief to after the summer
Some proposals to encourage spending at hospitality venues, when they are allowed to re-open
Fuel duty must surely be raided now?
Given there's still plenty of time before the next election I wonder if they'd do something like reducing tax-free allowance?
Can you imagine the outrage that will come with the public sector pay freeze. Even though a huge chunk of the private sector has been destroyed.
Hardly a prediction, it's already been announced.

And there are oddities with the early departmental settlements, MOD got £4bn for kit, and will lose 10k armed forces, and needs to go further than that on civilians (obvs), reducing the pay bill by 12.5%.

Done deal.

The only thing Rishi can do is announce yet more NHS £ as wages to thank our hardworking medical personnel, which I'd like to think few would argue with, but this is PH, and of course it rather undermines a PS pay freeze.

Dixy

2,041 posts

169 months

Sunday 14th February
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May I suggest you friends might be telling you porkies.

98elise

18,925 posts

125 months

Sunday 14th February
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elanfan said:
I have personal knowledge of several friends who are self employed and they pay virtually no tax as their accountants somehow manage arrange it so. How about the self employed start paying their fair share would be a start!
There is no legitimate way to do that if they are earning more then the tax fee amounts (or paying into a pension).

If they are simply not declaring income, that doesn't need an accountant. Why would an accountant get involved in a crime to benefit their client?


M22s

336 posts

113 months

Sunday 14th February
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Jamescrs said:
No great hits to people this year as they are trying to climb out of covid and will want the country to go back out spending.

Next year will be bad.
This is where I am thinking at the moment; I expect there will be change in local rates than anything.

Imagine there will be some sort of reliefs to stimulate the economy further.

I guess the big’y that is still to hit, is what unemployment rises to in the 2-3 months after furlough ends - I imagine there will be some sort of contingency allowed for this too.

brickwall

3,433 posts

174 months

Sunday 14th February
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amgmcqueen said:
Public sector pay freeze.
MP's salaries slashed by 50%.
Number of MPs reduced.
Scrap the HOLs.
Scrap HS2.
Scrap foreign aid.
Scrap benefits.
Scrap the Barnett Formula.
Tax Amazon, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Microsoft etc 50%.
Raise CGT.
10p litre on fuel.
5% on a packet of fags.
Toll the Channel tunnel.
If you think most of that is in any way likely you are on a different planet

montecristo

971 posts

141 months

Sunday 14th February
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When/how would potential CGT changes announced on budget day come into effect? i.e. is there likely to be a window post-budget when one could sell assets at the existing/lower CGT rate?

Edited by montecristo on Sunday 14th February 15:09

brickwall

3,433 posts

174 months

Sunday 14th February
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montecristo said:
When/how would potential CGT changes announced on budget day come into effect? i.e. is there likely to be a window post-budget when one could sell assets at the existing/lower CGT rate?

Edited by montecristo on Sunday 14th February 15:09
Who knows. There might be transitional protections, there might not.
(Though from a policy perspective, you probably wouldn’t do much transitional protection, as it would trigger a sell-off in that window.)

Jasandjules

65,979 posts

193 months

Sunday 14th February
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I hope to see a £1000pcm charge to anyone who supported the lockdowns. You wanted it, you pay for it. biggrin

Biggy Stardust

1,103 posts

8 months

Sunday 14th February
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Macron said:
The only thing Rishi can do is announce yet more NHS £ as wages to thank our hardworking medical personnel, which I'd like to think few would argue with, but this is PH, and of course it rather undermines a PS pay freeze.
Extra money for those with guaranteed employment with gold-plated, iron-clad, copper bottomed pensions whilst those without such security struggle? This extra being on top of the usual pay rises & pay increments?

I think the argument against might be more common than you suggest.

oyster

10,229 posts

212 months

Sunday 14th February
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daimlerv8 said:
Remove VAT.....

Replace with Purchase Tax, so 'luxury' items such as expensive cars cost far more, but basics like electricity and gas cost less to those on a low income.

Give pensioners a far bigger State pension, afterall, they will go out and spend it, thus generating income for other business's to pay tax on.

Remove gin from all tax, or I'll buy a Chinese still to make my own!

laugh
Totally wrong on pensions - pensioners are the lowest spending group in the economy. Extra pensions would just stay in the bank.
I’d say the opposite, time to drop the triple lock - albeit this could be political suicide.