JLR bans boys in favour of girls and โ€œnon-binariesโ€

JLR bans boys in favour of girls and โ€œnon-binariesโ€

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DeejRC

1,938 posts

46 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Andeh1 said:
DeejRC said:
I agree entirely. The more and more engineery types of any gender learn and realise that JLR rates are wk, then sooner or later they may actually wake up and realise they have to offer decent pay rates.

Until then JLR will continue employing cheap monkeys and making tat.
I spent years there, got a very resoectsbke industry average (though I left for more) ...but the £70k management car, all but fuel included, replaced every 6 months with a new one, for the price of a budget focus was a very nice perk.

Below that you got generous overtime, shift pay & weekend multiplier.

You just didn't negotiate properly. smile
Oh, I do. That’s why I don’t take their contracts. And more importantly why JLR struggle to attract the talent. £35/hr buys you monkeys. JLR are the engineering industry poster child for lousy rates.

vonuber

15,140 posts

129 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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DeejRC said:
Oh, I do. That’s why I don’t take their contracts. And more importantly why JLR struggle to attract the talent. £35/hr buys you monkeys. JLR are the engineering industry poster child for lousy rates.
You've obviously never worked in civil engineering.

Randy Winkman

9,487 posts

153 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Borghetto said:
Randy Winkman said:
When I was at my end of junior school holiday in Norfolk in 1976 (aged 10) we had an opportunity to visit a US air base. But they could only accomodate half of the children. So the rule was that the boys could go, but girls could go if individual boys opted out and offered up their place. I was the one boy out of about 60 who gave up his place to a girl who was really keen on aircraft. How times have changed? Sometimes things go a bit wrong but I think that they have mostly changed for the better in this sort of respect.

Edited by Randy Winkman on Wednesday 3rd March 13:08
So you began virtue signalling at the age of 10 - well done you plonker rolleyes
No. It was a nice day and I've always been the independent type and wanted to go for the country/nature walk with the girls. smile

GliderRider

901 posts

45 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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gizlaroc

16,471 posts

188 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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GliderRider said:
Hmm, a bit silly.

Just asked my wife about this as a friend at our local hospital has had a male midwife train with them, and she said that none of her friends or friends friends said they would want a male midwife, but would also feel guilty saying so in this day and age, which puts women in a real dilemma.

GliderRider

901 posts

45 months

Thursday 4th March
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gizlaroc said:
GliderRider said:
Hmm, a bit silly.

Just asked my wife about this as a friend at our local hospital has had a male midwife train with them, and she said that none of her friends or friends friends said they would want a male midwife, but would also feel guilty saying so in this day and age, which puts women in a real dilemma.
Is it silly, or just not the norm? Male gynecologists are nothing new. The sentiment is much the same as comments from the armed forces about serving in the field with LGBT & women before that was normalized. The sort of man who chooses to be a midwife and completes all the training is not going to be Mr Average, in the same way that a woman who applies for and gets into, say, the special forces, is not your average woman. Equality is about accepting that people are all different, yet unless physically or mentally incapable of doing a task, they should all have the same opportunities.

JagLover

33,597 posts

199 months

Thursday 4th March
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otolith said:
Or as doctors. You've met a male doctor before, no? Or nurses. Or as primary school teachers - very valuable, especially for teaching boys. Or lawyers. Or - actually - pretty much anything you need a degree for other than engineering or computer science .
Which assumes they get to that stage.

As another poster pointed out the biggest issue at present is educational underachievement by boys. Boys who might well become more motivated to learn if they were given a chance of a work placement somewhere that interests them and where they can then hopefully see the value of the education they previously disliked.


mrporsche

504 posts

6 months

Thursday 4th March
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otolith said:
mrporsche said:
What will happen to the fields that these women may have chosen instead ? I assume there will either be shortages or in a few years there will be a drive to reverse the decline of women in industry A ?
Maybe they will recruit more men?
Men from which sectors / industry ?

otolith

43,960 posts

168 months

Thursday 4th March
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mrporsche said:
otolith said:
mrporsche said:
What will happen to the fields that these women may have chosen instead ? I assume there will either be shortages or in a few years there will be a drive to reverse the decline of women in industry A ?
Maybe they will recruit more men?
Men from which sectors / industry ?
Men who otherwise would have gone into the area they are trying to get a better balance in? Men who are being encouraged to pursue higher education?

It's not zero sum.

deckster

5,805 posts

219 months

Thursday 4th March
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gizlaroc said:
GliderRider said:
Hmm, a bit silly.

Just asked my wife about this as a friend at our local hospital has had a male midwife train with them, and she said that none of her friends or friends friends said they would want a male midwife, but would also feel guilty saying so in this day and age, which puts women in a real dilemma.
We had a male midwife deliver our second child. After our initial shock of "oh, we thought you were the porter" he was, as you would expect, entirely professional and as ever, as events proceeded there were much bigger things to worry about.

I won't however deny that it was a bit odd watching another man put his fingers up my wife's fanny. I guess I have some way to go with this whole equality thing.

Randy Winkman

9,487 posts

153 months

Thursday 4th March
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GliderRider said:
gizlaroc said:
GliderRider said:
Hmm, a bit silly.

Just asked my wife about this as a friend at our local hospital has had a male midwife train with them, and she said that none of her friends or friends friends said they would want a male midwife, but would also feel guilty saying so in this day and age, which puts women in a real dilemma.
Is it silly, or just not the norm? Male gynecologists are nothing new. The sentiment is much the same as comments from the armed forces about serving in the field with LGBT & women before that was normalized. The sort of man who chooses to be a midwife and completes all the training is not going to be Mr Average, in the same way that a woman who applies for and gets into, say, the special forces, is not your average woman. Equality is about accepting that people are all different, yet unless physically or mentally incapable of doing a task, they should all have the same opportunities.
I think it's simply convention. Once conventions change we see they were just conventions.