Pontins told to stop screening Irish names
Discussion
So, and excuse my daily mail esque logic, an insurance company can ask you a load of questions based on personal details, including gender but I guess not race, and provide a price based on perceived risk but could a hotel or any other business not do the same? I appreciate its not exactly good PR but what factors can be considered part of 'risking' and what factors are alternatively off limits?
CAPP0 said:
Armchair Expert said:
How is it that travellers became ethnic minorities is beyond me?
I'm led to believe that the basic reason for this (there is probably more detail available) is that the trouble-making Irish travellers, who in my view are an entirely different and separate group to the "real" gypsies and others, cosied up to the Roma and paid that group's legal fees when they (the Roma) set out to attain their ethnic minority status, on condition that they were included. So now, you can live in a big house in Rathkeale (other traveller towns/villages are available) when the weather's a bit s
t, but come over here at will and behave like utter twunts with your R-card safe in your back pocket if anyone dare call you out for your utter twuntishness.It still beggars belief that a group who not only contribute absolutely zero to society in general but in fact disrupt and destroy with impunity any part of said society they feel like, are allowed to exist and function like they do with little or no comeback, and scream "racist" if you dare so much as glance in their direction.
rix said:
So, and excuse my daily mail esque logic, an insurance company can ask you a load of questions based on personal details, including gender but I guess not race, and provide a price based on perceived risk but could a hotel or any other business not do the same? I appreciate its not exactly good PR but what factors can be considered part of 'risking' and what factors are alternatively off limits?
Insurance cannot price based on gender, or race.Darth Paul said:
Armchair Expert said:
How is it that travellers became ethnic minorities is beyond me?
I believe that was another one of Teflon Tony’s legacy’s, but I stand to be corrected. DaveCWK said:
A ban on commercial vehicles is fair enough, but the banning all the names that happen to be popular amongst traveller families does seem a bit extreme!?
Absolutely. Banning vans and pick ups, that's fine. Commercial vehicle owners are not protected by discrimination. But banning certain Irish names, is ridiculous. I know someone with one of the names on the list, and he's not even Irish (although I guess his great grandfather or whatever might have been.)But he usually holidays at his villa in Tuscany, and even if he didn't have his own villa there, I'm not sure Pontins have a centre in Tuscany anyway.
What they could do is ask for your occupation on the application, and put a ban on tarmac layers, driveway installers, heather sellers, etc. That would be legal I should think.
Tom Logan said:
Preston you say?
I hope you were handed a stab vest when you checked in.
It was a bit special, that's for sure! The most noticeable bit though was how early in the evening all the bother started!! Oh, two adjoinging rooms rented for what was about 35 kids to all look after themselves during the shenanigans! Utter carnage! I hope you were handed a stab vest when you checked in.
Having attended tens of hundreds of steam rallies I can say that the genuine gypsies are an alright
group of people. Over the years I have found many friends in the gypsy community, I can tell you that the decent gypsies absolutely detest those that give them the bad name, and all are brushed with the same brush. Small minority perhaps, and I’m talking here of genuine gypsy folk.
Just wanted to say that for some balance.
group of people. Over the years I have found many friends in the gypsy community, I can tell you that the decent gypsies absolutely detest those that give them the bad name, and all are brushed with the same brush. Small minority perhaps, and I’m talking here of genuine gypsy folk.
Just wanted to say that for some balance.
ralphrj said:
Darth Paul said:
Armchair Expert said:
How is it that travellers became ethnic minorities is beyond me?
I believe that was another one of Teflon Tony’s legacy’s, but I stand to be corrected. I'm on the list, but i would rather st in my hands and clap than visit a Pontins so i won't get too upset about it.
I do see what they are trying to achieve, and i sympathise with them to a certain extent, but their approach has a whiff of the 80's about it all the same. It would have been easier to say "no Irish" than list the top 40 surnames in Ireland.
t in my hands and clap than visit a Pontins so i won't get too upset about it. I do see what they are trying to achieve, and i sympathise with them to a certain extent, but their approach has a whiff of the 80's about it all the same. It would have been easier to say "no Irish" than list the top 40 surnames in Ireland.
Edited by NextSlidePlease on Tuesday 2nd March 23:33
Taylor James said:
Do you know what is required to claim this status?
Judging by the extent to which their numbers appeared to have swollen in the past couple of years, when the moderately-feckless realised they could act at will if they declared themselves to be travellers, a cod-irish accent, a penchant for constant criminality, a willingness to fight anyone who challenges you over anything at all, and most importantly a Tourette-like use of the word "racist" appear to be adequate grounds for declaring one's travelling ethnicity (and the resultant exemption from rules, laws and social mores).If a pub can get away with excluding football supporters ( Many do), and nightclubs can exclude anyone they don't like the look of, I don't see why Pontins can't exclude travellers or whatever they are.
I once stayed at a Pontins at Bournemouth. There was a cigarette burn in the bath.
I once stayed at a Pontins at Bournemouth. There was a cigarette burn in the bath.
ralphrj said:
Darth Paul said:
Armchair Expert said:
How is it that travellers became ethnic minorities is beyond me?
I believe that was another one of Teflon Tony’s legacy’s, but I stand to be corrected. TwigtheWonderkid said:
DaveCWK said:
A ban on commercial vehicles is fair enough, but the banning all the names that happen to be popular amongst traveller families does seem a bit extreme!?
Absolutely. Banning vans and pick ups, that's fine. Commercial vehicle owners are not protected by discrimination. But banning certain Irish names, is ridiculous. I know someone with one of the names on the list, and he's not even Irish (although I guess his great grandfather or whatever might have been.)But he usually holidays at his villa in Tuscany, and even if he didn't have his own villa there, I'm not sure Pontins have a centre in Tuscany anyway.
What they could do is ask for your occupation on the application, and put a ban on tarmac layers, driveway installers, heather sellers, etc. That would be legal I should think.
If you had a section of your customer base who cost you far, far more than they made you, how else would you try to filter them out?
Every business tries to find ways to discourage or sack their worst customers and it’s not easy.
CAPP0 said:
I'm led to believe that the basic reason for this (there is probably more detail available) is that the trouble-making Irish travellers, who in my view are an entirely different and separate group to the "real" gypsies and others, cosied up to the Roma and paid that group's legal fees when they (the Roma) set out to attain their ethnic minority status, on condition that they were included. So now, you can live in a big house in Rathkeale (other traveller towns/villages are available) when the weather's a bit st, but come over here at will and behave like utter twunts with your R-card safe in your back pocket if anyone dare call you out for your utter twuntishness.
It still beggars belief that a group who not only contribute absolutely zero to society in general but in fact disrupt and destroy with impunity any part of said society they feel like, are allowed to exist and function like they do with little or no comeback, and scream "racist" if you dare so much as glance in their direction.
I don't understand why Roma gypsies are a ethnic group either?t, but come over here at will and behave like utter twunts with your R-card safe in your back pocket if anyone dare call you out for your utter twuntishness.It still beggars belief that a group who not only contribute absolutely zero to society in general but in fact disrupt and destroy with impunity any part of said society they feel like, are allowed to exist and function like they do with little or no comeback, and scream "racist" if you dare so much as glance in their direction.
XCP said:
If a pub can get away with excluding football supporters ( Many do), and nightclubs can exclude anyone they don't like the look of, I don't see why Pontins can't exclude travellers or whatever they are.
I once stayed at a Pontins at Bournemouth. There was a cigarette burn in the bath.
Yes but this is done with surnames before they even pull up at the gates, a very primitive approach that casts a much wider net than just the travellers.I once stayed at a Pontins at Bournemouth. There was a cigarette burn in the bath.
NextSlidePlease said:
I'm on the list, but i would rather st in my hands and clap than visit a Pontins so i won't get too upset about it.
I do see what they are trying to achieve, and i sympathise with them to a certain extent, but their approach has a whiff of the 80's about it all the same. It would have been easier to say "no Irish" than list the top 40 surnames in Ireland.
Your appointment to be chairman of the EHRC will no doubt be announced shortly. t in my hands and clap than visit a Pontins so i won't get too upset about it. I do see what they are trying to achieve, and i sympathise with them to a certain extent, but their approach has a whiff of the 80's about it all the same. It would have been easier to say "no Irish" than list the top 40 surnames in Ireland.
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