Amazon Fresh opens 1st till-less store in UK.
Discussion
North West Tom said:
Call me a sad bd but this is around the corner from me so I queued for 30 minutes to have a nosy on my lunch break
Many important questions being asked here, but as the person who has experienced it first hand did they have gentleman's publications?This seems ideal to avoid that excruciating would you like a bag for your copy of Big and Bouncy moment as you hand over the cash to someone you might bump into on the street later or that knows your gran.
Moulder said:
North West Tom said:
Call me a sad bd but this is around the corner from me so I queued for 30 minutes to have a nosy on my lunch break
Many important questions being asked here, but as the person who has experienced it first hand did they have gentleman's publications?This seems ideal to avoid that excruciating would you like a bag for your copy of Big and Bouncy moment as you hand over the cash to someone you might bump into on the street later or that knows your gran.
Tankrizzo said:
How do they prevent theft?
Just random thoughts but how does this fit with the notion of Legal Tender; the definition of LT is, as far as I recall, an amount which can be offered in cash (Sterling) to satisfy a debt. Now, legal precedent (Pharmaceutical Society of GB and NI v Boots Cash Chemists) tells us that selecting goods from a self service shop and presenting them to the shop constitutes an offer to purchase and the shop giving you a price is their acceptance of the contract of sale. You are then contractually obliged to pay and they are contractually obliged to sell the goods. However - if they accept only cards and not cash then how can they insist on cards only (admittedly, I may be wrong on the card only thing, their tills might accept cash)? If they refused cash then you would not be guilty of theft if you left the store with the goods as you had no intention not to pay - they just won't let you. As long as you paid on receipt of their bill you'd be fine. Earthdweller said:
We are social and pack animals
The distancing and removal of contact with others of our species is not good for us
I recall reading that to maintain mental health every human needs at least 12 separate and independent social interactions a day with other humans
As we grow older and increasingly live alone there are many who’s only interaction with others is in shops etc
Fine, in small numbers for grab and go but I really wouldn’t want or think it would be good for us if this became the norm
Social distancing is far overrated
Speaking personally, I always look to go to a till with an actual person on it and I have made more of an effort to do that given the current situation. Humans being increasingly segregated is a very bad thing, I think. The distancing and removal of contact with others of our species is not good for us
I recall reading that to maintain mental health every human needs at least 12 separate and independent social interactions a day with other humans
As we grow older and increasingly live alone there are many who’s only interaction with others is in shops etc
Fine, in small numbers for grab and go but I really wouldn’t want or think it would be good for us if this became the norm
Social distancing is far overrated
AJL308 said:
Tankrizzo said:
How do they prevent theft?
Just random thoughts but how does this fit with the notion of Legal Tender; the definition of LT is, as far as I recall, an amount which can be offered in cash (Sterling) to satisfy a debt. Now, legal precedent (Pharmaceutical Society of GB and NI v Boots Cash Chemists) tells us that selecting goods from a self service shop and presenting them to the shop constitutes an offer to purchase and the shop giving you a price is their acceptance of the contract of sale. You are then contractually obliged to pay and they are contractually obliged to sell the goods. However - if they accept only cards and not cash then how can they insist on cards only (admittedly, I may be wrong on the card only thing, their tills might accept cash)? If they refused cash then you would not be guilty of theft if you left the store with the goods as you had no intention not to pay - they just won't let you. As long as you paid on receipt of their bill you'd be fine. AJL308 said:
Tankrizzo said:
How do they prevent theft?
Just random thoughts but how does this fit with the notion of Legal Tender; the definition of LT is, as far as I recall, an amount which can be offered in cash (Sterling) to satisfy a debt. Now, legal precedent (Pharmaceutical Society of GB and NI v Boots Cash Chemists) tells us that selecting goods from a self service shop and presenting them to the shop constitutes an offer to purchase and the shop giving you a price is their acceptance of the contract of sale. You are then contractually obliged to pay and they are contractually obliged to sell the goods. However - if they accept only cards and not cash then how can they insist on cards only (admittedly, I may be wrong on the card only thing, their tills might accept cash)? If they refused cash then you would not be guilty of theft if you left the store with the goods as you had no intention not to pay - they just won't let you. As long as you paid on receipt of their bill you'd be fine. AJL308 said:
Just random thoughts but how does this fit with the notion of Legal Tender; the definition of LT is, as far as I recall, an amount which can be offered in cash (Sterling) to satisfy a debt. Now, legal precedent (Pharmaceutical Society of GB and NI v Boots Cash Chemists) tells us that selecting goods from a self service shop and presenting them to the shop constitutes an offer to purchase and the shop giving you a price is their acceptance of the contract of sale. You are then contractually obliged to pay and they are contractually obliged to sell the goods. However - if they accept only cards and not cash then how can they insist on cards only (admittedly, I may be wrong on the card only thing, their tills might accept cash)? If they refused cash then you would not be guilty of theft if you left the store with the goods as you had no intention not to pay - they just won't let you. As long as you paid on receipt of their bill you'd be fine.
Legal tender is your right to settle a debt to the crown without them putting you in prison. If you are fined by the court £100 and you offer it in 1p pieces they can refuse to accept your payment as 1p is legal tender only up to 20p, if you press your case you'll be put in prison for non payment. If you offer to pay in £1 coins the court cannot refuse your payment as £1 is legal tender to an unlimited value. So you avoid jail.
Amazon can do what they like.
citizensm1th said:
Can't you buy a fridge freezer that will do that?
https://www.very.co.uk/samsung-rf56m9540sreu-famil...
That looks like a manual process no different to me looking in the fridge and making a list. I can do that with lists on Asda's app,I can even fill my basket using recipes.https://www.very.co.uk/samsung-rf56m9540sreu-famil...
Edited by citizensm1th on Thursday 4th March 16:55
What is possible with automatic product recognition is fully automated delivery. I can set it up to feed me if I forget to book a delivery, it knows what I already have if I pick a recipe to eat.
Go a step further and you could program a diet and have it fully managed.
You can do that to an extent now but it's via some hipster lifestyle company who double the cost of your meals rather than an automated process that pays for itself by keeping the consumer captive.
citizensm1th said:
AJL308 said:
Tankrizzo said:
How do they prevent theft?
Just random thoughts but how does this fit with the notion of Legal Tender; the definition of LT is, as far as I recall, an amount which can be offered in cash (Sterling) to satisfy a debt. Now, legal precedent (Pharmaceutical Society of GB and NI v Boots Cash Chemists) tells us that selecting goods from a self service shop and presenting them to the shop constitutes an offer to purchase and the shop giving you a price is their acceptance of the contract of sale. You are then contractually obliged to pay and they are contractually obliged to sell the goods. However - if they accept only cards and not cash then how can they insist on cards only (admittedly, I may be wrong on the card only thing, their tills might accept cash)? If they refused cash then you would not be guilty of theft if you left the store with the goods as you had no intention not to pay - they just won't let you. As long as you paid on receipt of their bill you'd be fine. Lie I say, these are just random thoughts so just a thought exercise.
paulrockliffe said:
AJL308 said:
Just random thoughts but how does this fit with the notion of Legal Tender; the definition of LT is, as far as I recall, an amount which can be offered in cash (Sterling) to satisfy a debt. Now, legal precedent (Pharmaceutical Society of GB and NI v Boots Cash Chemists) tells us that selecting goods from a self service shop and presenting them to the shop constitutes an offer to purchase and the shop giving you a price is their acceptance of the contract of sale. You are then contractually obliged to pay and they are contractually obliged to sell the goods. However - if they accept only cards and not cash then how can they insist on cards only (admittedly, I may be wrong on the card only thing, their tills might accept cash)? If they refused cash then you would not be guilty of theft if you left the store with the goods as you had no intention not to pay - they just won't let you. As long as you paid on receipt of their bill you'd be fine.
Legal tender is your right to settle a debt to the crown without them putting you in prison. If you are fined by the court £100 and you offer it in 1p pieces they can refuse to accept your payment as 1p is legal tender only up to 20p, if you press your case you'll be put in prison for non payment. If you offer to pay in £1 coins the court cannot refuse your payment as £1 is legal tender to an unlimited value. So you avoid jail.
Amazon can do what they like.
AJL308 said:
You can't include a term which is contrary to law though. If you run up a debt you are legally entitled to settle it with legal tender. No creditor can refuse legal tender.
Lie I say, these are just random thoughts so just a thought exercise.
Do Amazon have the right to refuse entry if they don’t have a card on file for you & a pre-payment authorisation? (I’m thinking of something similar to pay-at-pump here)Lie I say, these are just random thoughts so just a thought exercise.
Also, given you can shop with Amazon using cash by buying loads of gift cards, would they let you in without card details but with a gift card balance?
JagLover said:
Tankrizzo said:
How do they prevent theft?
I imagine it will be easier to prevent theft under this system than with normal self scanned tills. Aren't you automatically billed as you leave the store with the items?You would need security guards on the door but other than that technology would prevent theft.
Lots of hospital visits for those that eat the wrapper as well lol.
Turn7 said:
Terminator X said:
We ARE talking Costa in general right ?Anyhoo the other chap posted up automated Costa not me!
TX.
alangla said:
Do Amazon have the right to refuse entry if they don’t have a card on file for you & a pre-payment authorisation? (I’m thinking of something similar to pay-at-pump here)
Also, given you can shop with Amazon using cash by buying loads of gift cards, would they let you in without card details but with a gift card balance?
If it's anything like the one I've been to in San Fran - it wouldn't let you in.Also, given you can shop with Amazon using cash by buying loads of gift cards, would they let you in without card details but with a gift card balance?
As you approach the store you get out your phone and open the app, which has all your details pre-loaded. You then scan a QR code in the app at an electronic gate, much like those in tube stations which open and close. Once you scan the code, the gate opens and you're in.
Then you can put your phone in your pocket and shop away.
It's a similar process for leaving - but no QR code to scan. It must do some kind of check on your payment method before opening the gate to let you leave.
There is a staff member there - they still need to restock shelves etc, so they could assist if something went wrong.
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