First transgender athlete to compete at Olympics

First transgender athlete to compete at Olympics

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BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo

13,633 posts

136 months

Monday 21st June
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DaveCWK said:
Lol.

What opinion are fellow women athletes voicing on this? Accepting they will be under social pressure to outwardly conform to the on trend opinion.
Because ultimately it's going to be on them to call it out IMO - not sure anyone else can without being labeled bigoted.
I imagine most are scared to voice their true opinion through fear of being cancelled or having a hate campaign launched against them.

ChocolateFrog

13,295 posts

140 months

Monday 21st June
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Stunning and brave.

Iwantafusca

1,287 posts

42 months

Monday 21st June
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I predict a silver medal.

That way trans activists can say “ see there is no advantage you bigots “

Bacon Is Proof

4,753 posts

198 months

Monday 21st June
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vaud said:
Inside the rules as defined, so how can it be cheating? If you have an issue with the rules, then that is different.
It's cheating because it is not within the spirit of the competition.

Alternatively, slavery was once legal, would you have been ok with it then?

768

9,107 posts

63 months

Monday 21st June
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hotchy said:
Just have a full new category. Transgender male and woman. There everyone's happy. An ex male will naturally lift loads more than any real woman thats just genetics. Womans sport is over.
Everyone's happy except those you're now telling that they don't count as women without caveat, who no longer have an audience or even the competitors to justify the same venues or TV coverage.

Tony Starks

1,838 posts

179 months

Monday 21st June
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Iwantafusca said:
I predict a silver medal.

That way trans activists can say “ see there is no advantage you bigots “
Iirc she was smashing all records until the elbow injury. Or was going for a weight that was out of reach for all real women competitors.

GroundZero

969 posts

21 months

Monday 21st June
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Bacon Is Proof said:
It's cheating because it is not within the spirit of the competition.
Agree with this.
Fact that can not be changed is that Men and women are simply different in their biology. The reason why there has always been a women's category and a men's category in most sports - especially where strength plays a significant role.

Some Gump

11,662 posts

153 months

Monday 21st June
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I'm going to out an mr2 bodykit on a 355 and go smash it in the toyota 1 make series.

Gecko1978

5,207 posts

124 months

Monday 21st June
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We have a situation where the term women is not aligned to sex, an so we can have women who are vastly different from each other outside of the normal distribution of physical variance.

The issue I see it is records will be set by trans women that cis women will never come close to thus closing sports out to women. Its top flight sport that inspires grass roots. I lift weights I am never going to be Eddy Hall but most of the really strong women I know I can still bench more than them. Is this a situation I want to engineer, I don't think it is and and I don't think most trana people will either

Northernboy

10,980 posts

224 months

Monday 21st June
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768 said:
Everyone's happy except those you're now telling that they don't count as women without caveat, who no longer have an audience or even the competitors to justify the same venues or TV coverage.
But they aren’t women.

mick987

443 posts

77 months

Monday 21st June
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It is just a matter of time before a male tennis player who is ranked around 200 in the world struggling to earn £50000 a year decides he is female winning every tournament he/she enters destroying women's tennis and making an absolute fortune in the process.

BobsPigeon

529 posts

6 months

Monday 21st June
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She's 43 and the 4th seed weightlifter in her class in the world... Hmmmm.

Jag_NE

2,529 posts

67 months

Monday 21st June
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mick987 said:
It is just a matter of time before a male tennis player who is ranked around 200 in the world struggling to earn £50000 a year decides he is female winning every tournament he/she enters destroying women's tennis and making an absolute fortune in the process.
There will only be a serious discussion about this when a situation like the one in your post occurs i.e. the money stops rolling in for the established players.

ZedLeg

2,798 posts

75 months

Monday 21st June
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The idea that anyone would go through the long and arduous process of transitioning purely to get an advantage in sport would be laughable if it wasn’t so insulting to trans people.

rover 623gsi

4,318 posts

128 months

Monday 21st June
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The thing that’s insulting is a male robbing a woman of their rightful place at the Olympics

Northernboy

10,980 posts

224 months

Monday 21st June
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ZedLeg said:
The idea that anyone would go through the long and arduous process of transitioning purely to get an advantage in sport would be laughable if it wasn’t so insulting to trans people.
What long and arduous process are you suggesting is mandated by the IOC?

Here are the requirements;

"The athlete would have to have declared that their gender identity is female, with the declaration unable to be changed for a minimum of four years.

Athletes would also be required to demonstrate that their total testosterone level in serum has been below 10 nanomoles per litre for at least 12 months prior to their first competition - with the requirement for any longer period to be based on a confidential case-by-case evaluation, considering whether or not 12 months is a sufficient length of time to minimize any advantage in women’s competition."

What part of that is long and arduous? The statement bit, where they say that they are female, or the testosterone medication that doesn't drop testosterone down to the level that female competitors tend to be at?

The ewightlifter in question has still been through male puberty, and retains the muscle mass, skeletal structure and bone density of a male. Trampling on women's rights to let him get a medal in a women's competition is abhorrent.

mick987

443 posts

77 months

Monday 21st June
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ZedLeg said:
The idea that anyone would go through the long and arduous process of transitioning purely to get an advantage in sport would be laughable if it wasn’t so insulting to trans people.
Are you serious people have been injecting poison into their body to get an advantage, resulting in death, cancer and god know what and you think people will not transition to get an advantage.

Jules Sunley

1,087 posts

60 months

Monday 21st June
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rover 623gsi said:
The thing that’s insulting is a male robbing a woman of their rightful place at the Olympics
+1 Well phrased

darren f

893 posts

180 months

Monday 21st June
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Ridiculous, the clowns at the IOC need to give their heads a wobble. Going forward why would an individual born as female now devote a lifetime to training and developing to an elite level in power events only to be potentially beaten by a trans opponent with an obvious advantage in terms of build and mass, having gone through puberty as a male? An opponent, no doubt, who was very mediocre when previously competing in male events.

Northernboy

10,980 posts

224 months

Monday 21st June
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mick987 said:
Are you serious people have been injecting poison into their body to get an advantage, resulting in death, cancer and god know what and you think people will not transition to get an advantage.
I think that he just thinks that women don't matter, and if an average male athlete wants to take their place in the team then they should be allowed to, which is exactly what's happening here.

Personally I think that women's rights to single-sex sports, prisons, refuges, and chabging facilities are far more important than pandering to a man's wishes to be allowed to do whatever they want. I don't think that I a in a minority on this, and I think that it's too imporant to not have men stand up and support women in this fight.
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