First transgender athlete to compete at Olympics
Discussion
8.4L 154 said:
How long do we have to wait?
Tennis was the first sport to include trans women in 1976. 45 years later we are still waiting for a trans grand slam winner, or even anyone coming close to being competitive.
You presumably know how dishonest your post is. There was previoulsy a requirement for gender reassignemnt surgery. There now isn't.Tennis was the first sport to include trans women in 1976. 45 years later we are still waiting for a trans grand slam winner, or even anyone coming close to being competitive.
Northernboy said:
8.4L 154 said:
How long do we have to wait?
Tennis was the first sport to include trans women in 1976. 45 years later we are still waiting for a trans grand slam winner, or even anyone coming close to being competitive.
You presumably know how dishonest your post is. There was previoulsy a requirement for gender reassignemnt surgery. There now isn't.Tennis was the first sport to include trans women in 1976. 45 years later we are still waiting for a trans grand slam winner, or even anyone coming close to being competitive.
It’ll be interesting to see the outcome of this. If she wins gold, surely questions will be asked. Doesn’t place in a medal position? Then those questions may well be delayed until another time.
I seriously doubt that anyone will transition in order to be more competitive at a sporting event. However, I would expect that people who have transitioned will want to continue to compete, and may well have an advantage… I assume she’s in the second category.
I seriously doubt that anyone will transition in order to be more competitive at a sporting event. However, I would expect that people who have transitioned will want to continue to compete, and may well have an advantage… I assume she’s in the second category.
ZedLeg said:
The idea that anyone would go through the long and arduous process of transitioning purely to get an advantage in sport would be laughable if it wasn’t so insulting to trans people.
I agree a non trans person is not going to do that but a trans athlete would be well aware of the advantages and you would think sportsmanship would stop them from competing but seems notDanL said:
It’ll be interesting to see the outcome of this. If she wins gold, surely questions will be asked. Doesn’t place in a medal position? Then those questions may well be delayed until another time.
If Laurel Hubbard does well, I'm sure we'll hear from the usual suspects that it's completely unfair. If she doesn't do you think anyone will admit they were creating an issue based on their own prejudice?ZedLeg said:
It's surgery that's the issue? I thought it was going through puberty as a male that years of hormone therapy couldn't change.
What are you talking about? It was far harder to be alowed to compete as a man, as you had to go through surgery first. Mow you only need to self-declare and drop your testosterone level.You mentioned an arduous process, are you going to explain what that is now?
Why do you want men in women's sport?
Northernboy said:
8.4L 154 said:
How long do we have to wait?
Tennis was the first sport to include trans women in 1976. 45 years later we are still waiting for a trans grand slam winner, or even anyone coming close to being competitive.
You presumably know how dishonest your post is. There was previoulsy a requirement for gender reassignemnt surgery. There now isn't.Tennis was the first sport to include trans women in 1976. 45 years later we are still waiting for a trans grand slam winner, or even anyone coming close to being competitive.
ZedLeg said:
DanL said:
It’ll be interesting to see the outcome of this. If she wins gold, surely questions will be asked. Doesn’t place in a medal position? Then those questions may well be delayed until another time.
If Laurel Hubbard does well, I'm sure we'll hear from the usual suspects that it's completely unfair. If she doesn't do you think anyone will admit they were creating an issue based on their own prejudice?Northernboy said:
ZedLeg said:
It's surgery that's the issue? I thought it was going through puberty as a male that years of hormone therapy couldn't change.
What are you talking about? It was far harder to be alowed to compete as a man, as you had to go through surgery first. Mow you only need to self-declare and drop your testosterone level.You mentioned an arduous process, are you going to explain what that is now?
Why do you want men in women's sport?
At the moment I see a man take estrogen and self declare as a woman without going through the rest of the transitioning process to get ahead in sport I'll agree there's an issue. Until then I'll continue to view these kinds of opinions as the bigotry they are.
DanL said:
It’ll be interesting to see the outcome of this. If she wins gold, surely questions will be asked. Doesn’t place in a medal position? Then those questions may well be delayed until another time.
Not disagreeing at all, but it's just so wrong that the focus is on the medals. A woman's already been denied the chance to compete.rover 623gsi said:
ZedLeg said:
DanL said:
It’ll be interesting to see the outcome of this. If she wins gold, surely questions will be asked. Doesn’t place in a medal position? Then those questions may well be delayed until another time.
If Laurel Hubbard does well, I'm sure we'll hear from the usual suspects that it's completely unfair. If she doesn't do you think anyone will admit they were creating an issue based on their own prejudice?mick987 said:
The tennis player he is talking about (Renée Richards ) was a below average male tennis player in his 20s after the sex change qualified for the US Open in her 40s. Richards says herself she would not have played women's tennis in her 20s as she would have won Wimbledon.
This site does a good job of showing the vast difference between male and female athletes; it shows the age at which boys outperform world-class women in different sports.https://boysvswomen.com/#/
I don;t really understand the agenda of people who want this to happen, for men to displace female athletes in their own sport, but it's not something that I am going to be able to get on board with.
A trans woman is a man who's living as a woman to deal with a psychological condition, body dysmorphia. It may be polite to play along in some circumstances to not make then feel worse about it, but that can't go as far as harming actual women's rights like this.
Is it any different in nature to Rachel Dolezal identifying as "trans racial" and taking positions set aside for non-whites?
ZedLeg said:
Northernboy said:
ZedLeg said:
It's surgery that's the issue? I thought it was going through puberty as a male that years of hormone therapy couldn't change.
What are you talking about? It was far harder to be alowed to compete as a man, as you had to go through surgery first. Mow you only need to self-declare and drop your testosterone level.You mentioned an arduous process, are you going to explain what that is now?
Why do you want men in women's sport?
At the moment I see a man take estrogen and self declare as a woman without going through the rest of the transitioning process to get ahead in sport I'll agree there's an issue. Until then I'll continue to view these kinds of opinions as the bigotry they are.
ZedLeg said:
Ooft, that's two on my terf bingo card in two comments. Well played lads.
What then is your definition of a woman? Do you actually have a non-circular one? Obvioulsy saying "a woman is anyone who says that they are one" is circular.We have a very good scientific definition of what a woman is, and it accords extremely well with what we've always understood a woman to be. You seem to want to go with a different definition, so what is it?
ZedLeg said:
I don't I just see trans women as women.
At the moment I see a man take estrogen and self declare as a woman without going through the rest of the transitioning process to get ahead in sport I'll agree there's an issue. Until then I'll continue to view these kinds of opinions as the bigotry they are.
You are pretty quick with the insults when you don't have any facts to back up your misogyny. What is it about women that you dislike so much that you want to allow men to take their rights away?At the moment I see a man take estrogen and self declare as a woman without going through the rest of the transitioning process to get ahead in sport I'll agree there's an issue. Until then I'll continue to view these kinds of opinions as the bigotry they are.
ZedLeg said:
rover 623gsi said:
ZedLeg said:
DanL said:
It’ll be interesting to see the outcome of this. If she wins gold, surely questions will be asked. Doesn’t place in a medal position? Then those questions may well be delayed until another time.
If Laurel Hubbard does well, I'm sure we'll hear from the usual suspects that it's completely unfair. If she doesn't do you think anyone will admit they were creating an issue based on their own prejudice?mick987 said:
It is just a matter of time before a male tennis player who is ranked around 200 in the world struggling to earn £50000 a year decides he is female winning every tournament he/she enters destroying women's tennis and making an absolute fortune in the process.
At least he/she /they/it/ them or whatever will come with their own bat and two balls unlike the ladies. But yr right. Funnily though wasn’t there a male tennis player in the 70’s who bet he was better than martina Navratilova
Game was set up and she destroyed him.
Northernboy said:
ZedLeg said:
I don't I just see trans women as women.
At the moment I see a man take estrogen and self declare as a woman without going through the rest of the transitioning process to get ahead in sport I'll agree there's an issue. Until then I'll continue to view these kinds of opinions as the bigotry they are.
You are pretty quick with the insults when you don't have any facts to back up your misogyny. What is it about women that you dislike so much that you want to allow men to take their rights away?At the moment I see a man take estrogen and self declare as a woman without going through the rest of the transitioning process to get ahead in sport I'll agree there's an issue. Until then I'll continue to view these kinds of opinions as the bigotry they are.
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