Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 11
Discussion
Hill92 said:
I didn't say you did either. The original post you quoted does ask about holidays and the tweet it linked to is specifically about Ukrainian refugees.
See my other post above about the rest.
Anyway, I don't think we've had this:
The Telegraph have tracked down some inconvenient quotes from Mike Russell telling a US think tank that both UK and Westminster governments must consent to hold a referendum. And he knows this because it's what he agreed during With Blair and Dewer in the negotiations for the draft Scotland Bill in 1997, which established the Scottish Parliament.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/11/sc...
Sturgeon has until 10 June to publish the Scottish Government's legal advice. How much longer can she string her supporters along on the promise of a referendum that will not happen any time soon? The cognitive dissonance is approaching QAnon levels.
Donald Dewar isnae deid, he faked his death, is living in secret and working for Indyref2? See my other post above about the rest.
Anyway, I don't think we've had this:
The Telegraph have tracked down some inconvenient quotes from Mike Russell telling a US think tank that both UK and Westminster governments must consent to hold a referendum. And he knows this because it's what he agreed during With Blair and Dewer in the negotiations for the draft Scotland Bill in 1997, which established the Scottish Parliament.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/11/sc...
Sturgeon has until 10 June to publish the Scottish Government's legal advice. How much longer can she string her supporters along on the promise of a referendum that will not happen any time soon? The cognitive dissonance is approaching QAnon levels.
rider73 said:
Because they can get away with it without any real consequence in their electoral votes. See the council elections
I blame the failure of the opposition, and the main stream media.....
How so? The media have reported the ferry issue consistently and have highlighted every new development. The opposition are limp but the ferry issue has been raised at FMQs repeatedly. If the voters continue to vote them in there's not a lot more to be done; we get the representatives we vote for, like Natalie McGarry.I blame the failure of the opposition, and the main stream media.....
hidetheelephants said:
How so? The media have reported the ferry issue consistently and have highlighted every new development. The opposition are limp but the ferry issue has been raised at FMQs repeatedly. If the voters continue to vote them in there's not a lot more to be done; we get the representatives we vote for, like Natalie McGarry.
It's not reported on in the same way as if it were the Tories down south. 'Tory sleaze', 'lies', 'a resignation matter' etc, once they take the lead it usually spells the end for whoever is in their sights. It is a convenient truth that the SNP in charge suit the Tories though, so it's no wonder some wonder if they're on the payroll somewhere...technodup said:
t's not reported on in the same way as if it were the Tories down south. 'Tory sleaze', 'lies', 'a resignation matter' etc, once they take the lead it usually spells the end for whoever is in their sights. It is a convenient truth that the SNP in charge suit the Tories though, so it's no wonder some wonder if they're on the payroll somewhere...
I'm no believer in conspiracy theories, but I do see some mileage in the inconvenient truth that the Tories/SNP balance each other out nicely and tolerate each other in private whilst they may publicly loathe each other. I got to know a Tory MP very well through my parents (he drank in their local) and he was a very modest and fundamentally decent self-made bloke, the polar opposite of someone like Boris, R-Mogg etc. I asked him once over a few beers about how they got on with the SNP in Parliament and he said that he sat on various committees with them and privately they generally got on extremely well and that the SNP were much more right wing/business orientated than their public image. The impression he left me with was that they were very much all hot air in public and much more moderate behind closed doors. So I always suspected that whilst there is almost certainly no private agreement, there is at least a tacit understanding between them that they both need the other to survive.We visited a community garden open day on Saturday, all perfectly pleasant and great to see local people regenerating their area and getting involved. The space in question had been an overgrown haunt of the local druggies, a piece of waste ground that was a dump for all manner of junk and rubbish, before some locals finally had enough. They approached the council to assist in undertaking a clear up, but were met with the usual wall of disinterest, and so took it on themselves without official permission. It's now a beautiful community garden. Credit where it's due however, the local councillor has been getting involved to try and keep things progressing with the red tape of officialdom, very pleasant and amiable chap who just happens to represent the Scumbag Nationalist Party. Even the nastiest organisations occasionally have decent principled people in them, although I'd still question the morality of anyone choosing to associate themselves with the SNP.
Roderick Spode said:
We visited a community garden open day on Saturday, all perfectly pleasant and great to see local people regenerating their area and getting involved. The space in question had been an overgrown haunt of the local druggies, a piece of waste ground that was a dump for all manner of junk and rubbish, before some locals finally had enough. They approached the council to assist in undertaking a clear up, but were met with the usual wall of disinterest, and so took it on themselves without official permission. It's now a beautiful community garden. Credit where it's due however, the local councillor has been getting involved to try and keep things progressing with the red tape of officialdom, very pleasant and amiable chap who just happens to represent the Scumbag Nationalist Party. Even the nastiest organisations occasionally have decent principled people in them, although I'd still question the morality of anyone choosing to associate themselves with the SNP.
Nice Post man, credit where its due. ThanksSiko said:
I'm no believer in conspiracy theories, but I do see some mileage in the inconvenient truth that the Tories/SNP balance each other out nicely and tolerate each other in private whilst they may publicly loathe each other. I got to know a Tory MP very well through my parents (he drank in their local) and he was a very modest and fundamentally decent self-made bloke, the polar opposite of someone like Boris, R-Mogg etc. I asked him once over a few beers about how they got on with the SNP in Parliament and he said that he sat on various committees with them and privately they generally got on extremely well and that the SNP were much more right wing/business orientated than their public image. The impression he left me with was that they were very much all hot air in public and much more moderate behind closed doors. So I always suspected that whilst there is almost certainly no private agreement, there is at least a tacit understanding between them that they both need the other to survive.
Another good post. I wonder if she does eggy language as well. Seggilly cleggown.
Seriously though this is nonsense that's off the scale, how on earth could anyone say these illiterates are fit to be in governmental positions.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1526117773939720192
Seriously though this is nonsense that's off the scale, how on earth could anyone say these illiterates are fit to be in governmental positions.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1526117773939720192
And in other news Scotland will be extremely important to NATO what with its geographic position and everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/16/nicola...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/16/nicola...
article said:
“I’m even more firm in my view today that, coupled with a strong relationship with the United Kingdom, membership of the EU, and membership of Nato, would be the cornerstone of an independent Scotland’s security policy.”
Ms Sturgeon noted that Scotland had a key strategic position on the northern edge of Europe, where Russian military aircraft and submarines have regularly encroached in recent years.
She said: “So we are clearer than ever that membership of Nato would not only be vital to Scotland’s security, it would also be the principal way in which an independent Scotland in an interdependent world would contribute to the collective security of our neighbours and allies.”
I’d critique the argument if it wasn’t so blatantly off the wall Ms Sturgeon noted that Scotland had a key strategic position on the northern edge of Europe, where Russian military aircraft and submarines have regularly encroached in recent years.
She said: “So we are clearer than ever that membership of Nato would not only be vital to Scotland’s security, it would also be the principal way in which an independent Scotland in an interdependent world would contribute to the collective security of our neighbours and allies.”
Ridgemont said:
I’d critique the argument if it wasn’t so blatantly off the wall
They're wanting a close relationship with the rest of the UK along with membership of NATO, and independence is going to solve the problem of having both of those already anyway by making them both more difficult?I tried to critique it but I went cross eyed
Ridgemont said:
And in other news Scotland will be extremely important to NATO what with its geographic position and everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/16/nicola...
Pre requsite to joining NATO. A nuclear submarine base on the clyde accessed by and staffed by NATO allies( UK/US) and probably an airforce base (UK/US)near Lossiemouth also staffed by NATO allies. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/16/nicola...
article said:
“I’m even more firm in my view today that, coupled with a strong relationship with the United Kingdom, membership of the EU, and membership of Nato, would be the cornerstone of an independent Scotland’s security policy.”
Ms Sturgeon noted that Scotland had a key strategic position on the northern edge of Europe, where Russian military aircraft and submarines have regularly encroached in recent years.
She said: “So we are clearer than ever that membership of Nato would not only be vital to Scotland’s security, it would also be the principal way in which an independent Scotland in an interdependent world would contribute to the collective security of our neighbours and allies.”
I’d critique the argument if it wasn’t so blatantly off the wall Ms Sturgeon noted that Scotland had a key strategic position on the northern edge of Europe, where Russian military aircraft and submarines have regularly encroached in recent years.
She said: “So we are clearer than ever that membership of Nato would not only be vital to Scotland’s security, it would also be the principal way in which an independent Scotland in an interdependent world would contribute to the collective security of our neighbours and allies.”
There will be virtually no Scottish staff on these bases apart from admin,cleaners etc as we need no fighting force as we wont be able to afford one and we are part of NATO
Ridgemont said:
And in other news Scotland will be extremely important to NATO what with its geographic position and everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/16/nicola...
Necessary to distant herself from her batshttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/16/nicola...
article said:
“I’m even more firm in my view today that, coupled with a strong relationship with the United Kingdom, membership of the EU, and membership of Nato, would be the cornerstone of an independent Scotland’s security policy.”
Ms Sturgeon noted that Scotland had a key strategic position on the northern edge of Europe, where Russian military aircraft and submarines have regularly encroached in recent years.
She said: “So we are clearer than ever that membership of Nato would not only be vital to Scotland’s security, it would also be the principal way in which an independent Scotland in an interdependent world would contribute to the collective security of our neighbours and allies.”
I’d critique the argument if it wasn’t so blatantly off the wall Ms Sturgeon noted that Scotland had a key strategic position on the northern edge of Europe, where Russian military aircraft and submarines have regularly encroached in recent years.
She said: “So we are clearer than ever that membership of Nato would not only be vital to Scotland’s security, it would also be the principal way in which an independent Scotland in an interdependent world would contribute to the collective security of our neighbours and allies.”
t crazy partner in government:https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/indepe...
Hill92 said:
Necessary to distant herself from her batst crazy partner in government:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/indepe...
It’s a clown factory. t crazy partner in government:https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/indepe...
another eejit said:
"What I do see is a recognition that strategic cooperation is really important - that our peace and security depends on countries working together," he said.
"One of the interesting things about the current crisis is it's an attempt to show that coordinated concerted economic measures can be used as an alternative to military intervention.
"An institution like the EU is, in some ways, more critical than NATO in the immediate term.”
Words fail me. People vote for this s"One of the interesting things about the current crisis is it's an attempt to show that coordinated concerted economic measures can be used as an alternative to military intervention.
"An institution like the EU is, in some ways, more critical than NATO in the immediate term.”
te.The world is full of bad people. With guns and stuff.
But let’s rely on Scholz to bury his nose in Putin’s derrière to sort stuff out.
I shouldn’t be surprised but the sheer level of either cognitive dissonance of the SNP, or the ludicrous unicornery of the Gardening Division suggests to me that if independent we would be in a bad place quickly. Maybe a grown up native ‘conservative’ party would instil some bloody common sense, but there just seems to be a weird strain of delusion amongst a significant chunk of the electorate.
She was wittering on about energy too, although it was a meaningless word salad of sustainable this, ecological that and efficiency the other; it could have been phoned in by any politician speaking at any event at any time in the last 20 years as there were no specifics about anything. This is the best we've got and it's a load of ste; now she's got little chance of a job at the EU is this her angling for something at the UN or a beltway bandit?
te; now she's got little chance of a job at the EU is this her angling for something at the UN or a beltway bandit?Pastor Of Muppets said:
I wonder if she does eggy language as well. Seggilly cleggown.
Seriously though this is nonsense that's off the scale, how on earth could anyone say these illiterates are fit to be in governmental positions.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1526117773939720192
Stilted delivery aside, I found it fine if I didn't use the subtitles, but regarding illiteracy, isn't she the same one who said it doesn't matter what Scotland uses for currency since everyone just uses cards these days?Seriously though this is nonsense that's off the scale, how on earth could anyone say these illiterates are fit to be in governmental positions.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1526117773939720192
Pastor Of Muppets said:
I wonder if she does eggy language as well. Seggilly cleggown.
Seriously though this is nonsense that's off the scale, how on earth could anyone say these illiterates are fit to be in governmental positions.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1526117773939720192
I'd far rather see the promotion of Scots, which is spoken by a large portion of the country on a daily basis, than seeing the museum piece that is Gaelic splattered all over things that didn't exist a century ago.Seriously though this is nonsense that's off the scale, how on earth could anyone say these illiterates are fit to be in governmental positions.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1526117773939720192
hiccy18 said:
I'd far rather see the promotion of Scots, which is spoken by a large portion of the country on a daily basis, than seeing the museum piece that is Gaelic splattered all over things that didn't exist a century ago.
I'd agree with you, except that Scots isn't a language. It's a dialect version of the language spoken throughout the UK. Unfortunately someone somewhere chose to name that language "English" so we can't possibly admit to speaking "English" so we've had to invent one "of our own"Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff