Private schools, times a changing?
Discussion
macron said:
And many parents who intend to send their kids to private still apply for council places in case Junior doesn't pass the exam.
The private schools in my area were making their offers last week so that Junior's parents have to decide now.Like I said, this (year 7 entry for Sep25) is just the first solid indicator, there will be many more to come about the relative impact of VAT on school fees.
If any parents really are going to wait until the summer to pull the plug on their kids' attendance at private schools in September, then (unless there are known to be loads of spaces at the desired state school) it's stupid, as well as being inconsiderate to their own children.
Murph7355 said:
The only things that matter are
- whether this raises any extra cash. That won't be known for at least 15mths. Likely not to the end of this govt term.
- whether educational outcomes for the "disadvantaged" improve. That will be even longer.
Does it matter if educational outcomes for those no longer able to attend private school decline?- whether this raises any extra cash. That won't be known for at least 15mths. Likely not to the end of this govt term.
- whether educational outcomes for the "disadvantaged" improve. That will be even longer.
Caddyshack said:
My daughter’s private school has just announced that it will be closing at the end of this academic year. It has a very long heritage but is no longer viable with the falling numbers. Vat seems to have been the nail in the coffin.
Sorry to hear that. Do you have a plan for her?Our Childrens school has half the normal intake for Year 3 in September, they are opening a new Year 1/2 prep prep to keep the numbers up.
It seems that if people already have started the private school journey, they are making it work to complete it (thats us)
But if they have not started, buying a house in a good catchment area is looking a more affordable alternative
It seems that if people already have started the private school journey, they are making it work to complete it (thats us)
But if they have not started, buying a house in a good catchment area is looking a more affordable alternative
Private school is a proper hard experience. It’s relenting and an emotional rollercoaster. The VAT increase will be one step too far for many, but will also be a relief for those that drop out and go down the “free” route. Now they can top things up with tutors and the like and save money!
The state school car parks where I live are littered with expensive Range Rovers, Bentleys, Mercs etc. Not so with the Private schools, perhaps because the parents are spending the cash on their kids education instead.
Private school education is better for sure but most parents that fund it are not wealthy - they just struggle to give their kids the best.
The state school car parks where I live are littered with expensive Range Rovers, Bentleys, Mercs etc. Not so with the Private schools, perhaps because the parents are spending the cash on their kids education instead.
Private school education is better for sure but most parents that fund it are not wealthy - they just struggle to give their kids the best.
maz8062 said:
Private school is a proper hard experience. It’s relenting and an emotional rollercoaster. The VAT increase will be one step too far for many, but will also be a relief for those that drop out and go down the “free” route. Now they can top things up with tutors and the like and save money!
The state school car parks where I live are littered with expensive Range Rovers, Bentleys, Mercs etc. Not so with the Private schools, perhaps because the parents are spending the cash on their kids education instead.
Private school education is better for sure but most parents that fund it are not wealthy - they just struggle to give their kids the best.
Exactly that and why it is a policy based on spite and envy and nothing else. If you stereotype anyone or anything those on the left go nuts, but stereotyping "toffs" and the "rich" is perfectly fine based on their idiotic views.The state school car parks where I live are littered with expensive Range Rovers, Bentleys, Mercs etc. Not so with the Private schools, perhaps because the parents are spending the cash on their kids education instead.
Private school education is better for sure but most parents that fund it are not wealthy - they just struggle to give their kids the best.
Yet another school sadly closing as listed above, more upset and disrupted children, more job losses, more lost revenues and taxes, but it is all fine because we are having a dig at "the rich".
maz8062 said:
Private school education is better for sure
I'd tend to disagree although it does to an extent depend on what area you live. I've got state grammar schools in my LA area which post excellent results and it's free. There's also the aptitude of the child to take into account, I've known several kids who've managed to pass the 11+ and then left grammar school with few or no GCSEs and going private there's no guarantee you'll post better results.House prices are through the roof no doubt for the LA education opportunity. Handy for when I downsize.
I was privately educated, my daughter wasn't.
Tom8 said:
maz8062 said:
Private school is a proper hard experience. It’s relenting and an emotional rollercoaster. The VAT increase will be one step too far for many, but will also be a relief for those that drop out and go down the “free” route. Now they can top things up with tutors and the like and save money!
The state school car parks where I live are littered with expensive Range Rovers, Bentleys, Mercs etc. Not so with the Private schools, perhaps because the parents are spending the cash on their kids education instead.
Private school education is better for sure but most parents that fund it are not wealthy - they just struggle to give their kids the best.
Exactly that and why it is a policy based on spite and envy and nothing else. If you stereotype anyone or anything those on the left go nuts, but stereotyping "toffs" and the "rich" is perfectly fine based on their idiotic views.The state school car parks where I live are littered with expensive Range Rovers, Bentleys, Mercs etc. Not so with the Private schools, perhaps because the parents are spending the cash on their kids education instead.
Private school education is better for sure but most parents that fund it are not wealthy - they just struggle to give their kids the best.
Yet another school sadly closing as listed above, more upset and disrupted children, more job losses, more lost revenues and taxes, but it is all fine because we are having a dig at "the rich".
maz8062 said:
Private school is a proper hard experience. It’s relenting and an emotional rollercoaster. The VAT increase will be one step too far for many, but will also be a relief for those that drop out and go down the “free” route. Now they can top things up with tutors and the like and save money!
The state school car parks where I live are littered with expensive Range Rovers, Bentleys, Mercs etc. Not so with the Private schools, perhaps because the parents are spending the cash on their kids education instead.
Private school education is better for sure but most parents that fund it are not wealthy - they just struggle to give their kids the best.
Our private school car park is quite the treat for car spotters. A few Urus, Cullinan, Large Rolls Saloon, Maybach GLS, Aston DBX x 3, Land rovers of all sorts, G Wagens and more. Quite enjoy drop off and the car spotting.The state school car parks where I live are littered with expensive Range Rovers, Bentleys, Mercs etc. Not so with the Private schools, perhaps because the parents are spending the cash on their kids education instead.
Private school education is better for sure but most parents that fund it are not wealthy - they just struggle to give their kids the best.
The other ones in the area tend to have nice cars, there are probably a few parents on £40k a year making do and somehow making it work whilst driving a clapped out old £600 Mazda but I don't think its the norm.
JimmyConwayNW said:
Our private school car park is quite the treat for car spotters. A few Urus, Cullinan, Large Rolls Saloon, Maybach GLS, Aston DBX x 3, Land rovers of all sorts, G Wagens and more. Quite enjoy drop off and the car spotting.
The other ones in the area tend to have nice cars, there are probably a few parents on £40k a year making do and somehow making it work whilst driving a clapped out old £600 Mazda but I don't think its the norm.
Which school is that?The other ones in the area tend to have nice cars, there are probably a few parents on £40k a year making do and somehow making it work whilst driving a clapped out old £600 Mazda but I don't think its the norm.
Armitage.Shanks said:
maz8062 said:
Private school education is better for sure
I'd tend to disagree although it does to an extent depend on what area you live. I've got state grammar schools in my LA area which post excellent results and it's free. There's also the aptitude of the child to take into account, I've known several kids who've managed to pass the 11+ and then left grammar school with few or no GCSEs and going private there's no guarantee you'll post better results.House prices are through the roof no doubt for the LA education opportunity. Handy for when I downsize.
I was privately educated, my daughter wasn't.
All that said, the Private schools are ahead in terms of results and rankings at GSCE (or whatever they call it now) but it’ll cost you.
My honest opinion: parents should be encouraged to send their children to private schools. Perhaps by doing so more would go, state school class sizes would drop and kids could get a better standard of schooling. Grammar schools are great but they’re hard to get into. Give folks a choice without penalising them or it comes across as envy, socialism and spiteful.
maz8062 said:
Where I live there is 1 grammar school in the catchment area, a Girls Grammar school less than 1/4 of a mile from where I live. Not wanting to offend anyone, but 95% of the pupils are Asian. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that because admission is open to everyone, provided you meet the strict academic entry requirements etc. but competition is off the scale and Asians typically take these things seriously from the get go. I know families for example, that start their kids on tutoring from age 5 straight through to 11+
All that said, the Private schools are ahead in terms of results and rankings at GSCE (or whatever they call it now) but it’ll cost you.
My honest opinion: parents should be encouraged to send their children to private schools. Perhaps by doing so more would go, state school class sizes would drop and kids could get a better standard of schooling. Grammar schools are great but they’re hard to get into. Give folks a choice without penalising them or it comes across as envy, socialism and spiteful.
A lot of good family values in the Asian community and hard work isn't something they are scared of. Not all but a lot of middle england in state schools have very little interest from parents and they don't see the value in education. All that said, the Private schools are ahead in terms of results and rankings at GSCE (or whatever they call it now) but it’ll cost you.
My honest opinion: parents should be encouraged to send their children to private schools. Perhaps by doing so more would go, state school class sizes would drop and kids could get a better standard of schooling. Grammar schools are great but they’re hard to get into. Give folks a choice without penalising them or it comes across as envy, socialism and spiteful.
When our own daughter was in state, the teacher always seemed surprised we were interested in trying to help and work with the school rather than work against them.
JimmyConwayNW said:
Our private school car park is quite the treat for car spotters. A few Urus, Cullinan, Large Rolls Saloon, Maybach GLS, Aston DBX x 3, Land rovers of all sorts, G Wagens and more. Quite enjoy drop off and the car spotting.
The other ones in the area tend to have nice cars, there are probably a few parents on £40k a year making do and somehow making it work whilst driving a clapped out old £600 Mazda but I don't think its the norm.
Sounds a bit like our local village primary after it got taken over by travellers. The other ones in the area tend to have nice cars, there are probably a few parents on £40k a year making do and somehow making it work whilst driving a clapped out old £600 Mazda but I don't think its the norm.
JimmyConwayNW said:
A lot of good family values in the Asian community and hard work isn't something they are scared of. Not all but a lot of middle england in state schools have very little interest from parents and they don't see the value in education.
When our own daughter was in state, the teacher always seemed surprised we were interested in trying to help and work with the school rather than work against them.
Definitely recognise that. My West London public school had a (understandably) high SE Asian population, and the levels of parental engagement were huge.When our own daughter was in state, the teacher always seemed surprised we were interested in trying to help and work with the school rather than work against them.
I was a definite outlier. 'Parents' (my grandparents raised me) were blitz kids, so I out paced them academically before I was 11, and I was pretty much left to get on with it. Still did well somehow!
maz8062 said:
Where I live there is 1 grammar school in the catchment area, a Girls Grammar school less than 1/4 of a mile from where I live. Not wanting to offend anyone, but 95% of the pupils are Asian. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that because admission is open to everyone, provided you meet the strict academic entry requirements etc. but competition is off the scale and Asians typically take these things seriously from the get go. I know families for example, that start their kids on tutoring from age 5 straight through to 11+
Boy is at a state grammar and reports similar, loads of Indian kids who have had the snot tutored out of them. Many of whom are operating beyond their natural academic abilities and have continued to have to work their arses off for the last 7 years. He had a bit of tutoring at primary school but nothing like that, and appears to have got through secondary school with minimal effort and excellent results. Just needs not to be overconfident and blow it in May. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff