Cost of living squeeze in 2022

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Sheepshanks

26,769 posts

96 months

Saturday 14th May
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Randy Winkman said:
That is indeed how it works. As a civil servant of 38 years experience I was quite pleased to see this morning's news. Hopefully they will offer me £50k to go away which I will gladly take. Then, in a couple of years time they will recruit someone else to do my job and in 5 or 10 years time they will lay off another person and give them £50k.
My wife took voluntary redundancy from the Civil Service about 10yrs ago. Staff loved working there so much and it was such an easy life that, across the whole Department with offices all over England and Wales, two thirds of the staff applied for it, so it ended up being mostly younger staff they let go as that cost less.

My wife got it as her office was closing completely and at her job grade any other office was too far away - more senior staff were just told they’d be working elsewhere.

Shnozz

25,136 posts

248 months

Saturday 14th May
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Meanwhile, here in Spain we are about to see a drop in energy bills.

https://m.murciatoday.com/electricity-prices-in-sp...

Welshbeef

48,531 posts

175 months

Saturday 14th May
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Shnozz said:
Meanwhile, here in Spain we are about to see a drop in energy bills.

https://m.murciatoday.com/electricity-prices-in-sp...
So the govt is paying for the price cap meaning all tax payers are funding it regardless of usage?

JagLover

37,659 posts

212 months

Saturday 14th May
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Welshbeef said:
Shnozz said:
Meanwhile, here in Spain we are about to see a drop in energy bills.

https://m.murciatoday.com/electricity-prices-in-sp...
So the govt is paying for the price cap meaning all tax payers are funding it regardless of usage?
Yes Spain produces almost no natural gas of its own so to do this the government will be subsidising gas prices.

bitchstewie

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187 months

dmahon

2,250 posts

41 months

Saturday 14th May
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JagLover said:
From all that I can see the government is making progress at automating routine tasks. The DVLA for example has automated renewing road tax well. Also the DWP has shifted the claim process for new benefits online as another example.

I am sure far more can be done to utilise technology, but just to highlight that there shouldn't be a presumption that service levels need to fall to return civil service numbers to as recently as 2016. It wouldn't surprise me that if the process you set out at the end of your post was followed that better service levels are possible with reduced numbers.

Edited by JagLover on Saturday 14th May 07:36
Shame government departments are so bad at technology. Almost every IT contractor in the UK must have passed through at least one of HMRC, DVLA, DWP. Huge programs running for years and years, working through 3 or 4 subcontracted suppliers.

Technology could save £billions if they could actually implement it.

Welshbeef

48,531 posts

175 months

Saturday 14th May
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dmahon said:
Shame government departments are so bad at technology. Almost every IT contractor in the UK must have passed through at least one of HMRC, DVLA, DWP. Huge programs running for years and years, working through 3 or 4 subcontracted suppliers.

Technology could save £billions if they could actually implement it.
DVLA should be totally outsourced with glide path savings to the govt and increased productivity KPIs.

This work should be moved to areas of high unemployment. With the requirement that the private sector employs those on benefits to deliver.

It could be great.

crankedup5

3,280 posts

12 months

Saturday 14th May
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Be interesting to see how far our U.K. Government go to help protect the populace from exorbitant
energy price hikes. On the current showing plenty of hot air and little else.

Welshbeef

48,531 posts

175 months

Saturday 14th May
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crankedup5 said:
Be interesting to see how far our U.K. Government go to help protect the populace from exorbitant
energy price hikes. On the current showing plenty of hot air and little else.
All Spain is doing is keeping the monthly bills at a sensible level for all - but then taxation will need to increase to fund it. That is going to be progressive.

Square Leg

13,410 posts

166 months

Saturday 14th May
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Welshbeef said:
So the govt is paying for the price cap meaning all tax payers are funding it regardless of usage?
Should be happening here too.

pquinn

3,458 posts

23 months

Saturday 14th May
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bhstewie said:
Jack Monroe writing about Jack Monroe?

Lots of 'woe is me, I have it so hard' and political vitriol in there too.


Welshbeef

48,531 posts

175 months

Saturday 14th May
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Square Leg said:
Welshbeef said:
So the govt is paying for the price cap meaning all tax payers are funding it regardless of usage?
Should be happening here too.
I guess the question to ask is currently the govt has invested £22billion in energy price support… a massive number this isn’t yet funded by any tax rises or spending cuts.

So to step up and cover all the farmers input costs and our heating and lighting costs beyond the Aug21 rate what would that be? £50-70billion?
So all up we’d be looking what £72b to £92b (guesstimates). Let’s call it £80billion.

Not to fund £80billion from income tax but only from not the poor would it be decreasing the 40% level to £35k?

bitchstewie

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40,476 posts

187 months

Saturday 14th May
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pquinn said:
Jack Monroe writing about Jack Monroe?

Lots of 'woe is me, I have it so hard' and political vitriol in there too.
Perhaps yes but I suspect she knows a little more about how to survive on a budget that the likes of Eustice and many other politicians lecturing people ever will.

I'd also trust her intentions over theirs any day of the week.

Sway

23,221 posts

171 months

Saturday 14th May
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bhstewie said:
pquinn said:
Jack Monroe writing about Jack Monroe?

Lots of 'woe is me, I have it so hard' and political vitriol in there too.
Perhaps yes but I suspect she knows a little more about how to survive on a budget that the likes of Eustice and many other politicians lecturing people ever will.

I'd also trust her intentions over theirs any day of the week.
Crikey, that was a tough read. Why spend five words when two hundred will do?

She'd hate me. I'm an ex-public schoolboy, now corporate baby exec, and (usually) tory voter. Yet I've also done what she has, without the whinging that it's someone else's fault regarding the situation I was in.

She does have some points, but it gets lost in the vitriol. Pratchett put it much simpler with his 'theory of boots economics'


bitchstewie

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40,476 posts

187 months

Saturday 14th May
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Aha!

I'd read that analogy before but didn't know where and who and couldn't remember the specifics but that will stick with me now clap

I have (or had) a little ritual where once a year or so I'd pop to Northampton and go round some of the factory outlets.

I could buy a "cheap" pair of Cheaney's for £100 or so and I'll still have them in 20 years assuming they still fit.

Life's pretty easy when you can afford good boots.

valiant

7,256 posts

137 months

Saturday 14th May
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Welshbeef said:
DVLA should be totally outsourced with glide path savings to the govt and increased productivity KPIs.

This work should be moved to areas of high unemployment. With the requirement that the private sector employs those on benefits to deliver.

It could be great.
You know the dvla is based in Wales right? You know, an area of already high unemployment and scarcity of decent secure jobs?

So you want to close down the dvla and create more unemployment in an area that is already suffering from high unemployment and force some experienced ex-staff onto benefits to move it to another area with high unemployment to take on unskilled people already on benefits?

You sure you’re a finance director?

The dvla has a LOT of problems but don’t think that the private sector is the answer to every ‘lets improve government’ question.

Sway

23,221 posts

171 months

Saturday 14th May
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bhstewie said:
Aha!

I'd read that analogy before but didn't know where and who and couldn't remember the specifics but that will stick with me now clap

I have (or had) a little ritual where once a year or so I'd pop to Northampton and go round some of the factory outlets.

I could buy a "cheap" pair of Cheaney's for £100 or so and I'll still have them in 20 years assuming they still fit.

Life's pretty easy when you can afford good boots.
My old man (I was raised by my grandparents) was raised in a children's home in Camden in the 20s. To suggest his early years were 'tough' is an understatement. Kicked out on his 13th birthday straight after the one decent breakfast they'd ever served him, in the clothes he stood in.

Yet, for my 18th we went on a trip up to Northampton, and he bought me the first birthday present that was from 'him'. A pair of Jeffry Wests that caught my eye.

"Two things to spend money on Sway" he'd say. "Shoes and mattresses. Cause if you're not in one, you're in the other."

22 years later, I still have those boots.

pquinn

3,458 posts

23 months

Saturday 14th May
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valiant said:
You know the dvla is based in Wales right? You know, an area of already high unemployment and scarcity of decent secure jobs?

So you want to close down the dvla and create more unemployment in an area that is already suffering from high unemployment and force some experienced ex-staff onto benefits to move it to another area with high unemployment to take on unskilled people already on benefits?

You sure you’re a finance director?

The dvla has a LOT of problems but don’t think that the private sector is the answer to every ‘lets improve government’ question.
That's all very nice but the DVLA exists to provide a service to the people who need to use it, not to keep Welsh unemployment numbers down. If they're incapable let someone else do it.


pquinn

3,458 posts

23 months

Saturday 14th May
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bhstewie said:
pquinn said:
Jack Monroe writing about Jack Monroe?

Lots of 'woe is me, I have it so hard' and political vitriol in there too.
Perhaps yes but I suspect she knows a little more about how to survive on a budget that the likes of Eustice and many other politicians lecturing people ever will.

I'd also trust her intentions over theirs any day of the week.
I used to have lots of time for (and interaction with) Jack, but for all her good points she just gets into too much drama for the sake of it and it gets tiring.

Especially all the problems she thinks she has, which she then creates extra for the sake of it. And indirectly makes everything about her.

Her central point is fine but she managed to pull so much into it that it got lost.

bitchstewie

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40,476 posts

187 months

Saturday 14th May
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Sway said:
My old man (I was raised by my grandparents) was raised in a children's home in Camden in the 20s. To suggest his early years were 'tough' is an understatement. Kicked out on his 13th birthday straight after the one decent breakfast they'd ever served him, in the clothes he stood in.

Yet, for my 18th we went on a trip up to Northampton, and he bought me the first birthday present that was from 'him'. A pair of Jeffry Wests that caught my eye.

"Two things to spend money on Sway" he'd say. "Shoes and mattresses. Cause if you're not in one, you're in the other."

22 years later, I still have those boots.
And having that mentality will serve anyone well provided they're in a position to be able to implement it (though I'd also add toilet paper to that list).

I saw a charity mentioned on the TV a few months ago called Zarach and I did a double take as they provide beds for families who don't have beds.

If you'd have asked me up until that point I wouldn't have given it a moments thought because you just assume everyone has a bed.

Different world for some people.