CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
Discussion
Grumps. said:
Hants PHer said:
Fortunately, there's another blood test facility (or Phlebotomy as they call it) which you can go to instead, which I did. No mention of masks, very quickly and efficiently done and I was on my way.
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Must have been well worth wasting all that time just to prove a point that nobody else took notice of..
Roman Rhodes said:
KAgantua said:
Roman Rhodes said:
PurplePangolin said:
RR is simply an appeal to authority type.
A bizarre claim - with no evidence (there is a trend here!).Are you 'just asking questions'?
(Can hardly believe I’m entering into discussion about this…)
It should be recognised that Novak’s visa application is not being treated equally as Dave of Epping’s would be because fictional Dave would simply enter his details as he saw fit and would either meet entry criteria or not (tbh his vaccination status is unlikely to even be queried or challenged these days) but Novak’s very high profile visa application would have been accompanied by support from the event organisers and other powerful lobbyists.
The result may well be the same but it’s stretching the truth to suggest he is being treated equally.
Make your own mind up if you consider it a conspiracy.
It’s still ridiculous.
Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.
It should be recognised that Novak’s visa application is not being treated equally as Dave of Epping’s would be because fictional Dave would simply enter his details as he saw fit and would either meet entry criteria or not (tbh his vaccination status is unlikely to even be queried or challenged these days) but Novak’s very high profile visa application would have been accompanied by support from the event organisers and other powerful lobbyists.
The result may well be the same but it’s stretching the truth to suggest he is being treated equally.
Make your own mind up if you consider it a conspiracy.
It’s still ridiculous.
Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Your question was already dealt with in the post you replied to.
The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
“Give in”. “Punished”.The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
Quite mad.
As I said at the very beginning of this discussion, it is performative virtue signalling.
You have agreed already that the rules no longer serve any practical purpose. So it is difficult to reach the conclusion that they are anything other than performative.
Roman Rhodes said:
They seem almost entirely pointless at this stage.
Roman Rhodes said:
A balanced person can see that treating one high-profile individual the same as everybody else is not "making an example of them", "punishing them", refusing to "give in" or any of the other hyperbolic nonsense being posted. Unfortunately, you're so unbalanced and bent out of shape about Covid in general that you can't see it.
You are over complicating the situation. We all know that there is no logical reason to deny entry to Djokovic. However that is exactly what they are going to do, because it is politically expedient. Roman Rhodes said:
There's been one very weak assertion that it would be in the US's "national interest" to allow Djokovic entry and that's it. If you or anyone else has evidence that he has been discriminated against and treated differently to any other unvaccinated person then please post it up.
He is being treated the same as every other unvaccinated person. They are all being punished because the state does not want to lose face. scenario8 said:
Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.
Totally agree - it's really quite sad & I have no idea where they find the time to post so often.Biker 1 said:
scenario8 said:
Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.
Totally agree - it's really quite sad & I have no idea where they find the time to post so often.scenario8 said:
Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.
Much easier to stick your fingers in your ears and shout LALALALA YOU'RE ALL CONSPIRACY NUTJOBS!!!1 than actually admit that you were duped, even as the evidence unfolds all around you (the Hancock Whatsapp messages for example).Pretty hard for some people to admit to themselves that not only are they not as smart as they thought they were, they're actually not very smart at all.
It's why all of this will come to nothing and the next panic will be just the same, complete with silly bits of cloth stretched across every fizzog and pans being noisily clattered 'for the NHS' once a week.
The only thing we really learn from history is that most people learn nothing from history.
Elysium said:
Biker 1 said:
scenario8 said:
Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.
Totally agree - it's really quite sad & I have no idea where they find the time to post so often.Monday 8am - 'Ive moved on.'
Monday 9am - 'OMG, how sad, ive moved on, what about you?'
Monday 10am - 'Youre all so sad, sitting here moaning about it, ive moved on'
Monday 11am - 'Have you thought about moving on?'
Monday 12am - 'Well i have a life, and dont want to discuss this type of thing as ive moved on...'
Wish I had the sort of time to post like some of the no biggie brigade
RSTurboPaul said:
Dr John Campbell ponders on a seemingly strange event in Parliament just prior to the Andrew Bridgen speech on injection harms, where it appears a member of the Conservative party prompts members of the opposition to leave the House, amongst other aspects:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpGcEf2yCok
Bernie Spofforth has posted a tweet that puts forward the suggestion that it was Andrew Mitchell MP involved in the aforementioned event:
https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1637181...
who it appears may have had some prior involvement with the GAVI (Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization) organisation:
https://twitter.com/p_beejal/status/16372411559087...
She has also highlighted a Guardian article suggesting MPs are recipients of funding from drug companies:
https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1637072...
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) this didn't get more attention.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpGcEf2yCok
Bernie Spofforth has posted a tweet that puts forward the suggestion that it was Andrew Mitchell MP involved in the aforementioned event:
https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1637181...
who it appears may have had some prior involvement with the GAVI (Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization) organisation:
https://twitter.com/p_beejal/status/16372411559087...
She has also highlighted a Guardian article suggesting MPs are recipients of funding from drug companies:
https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1637072...
They really are unbelievable. I have absolutely no interest in UK politics any more. They are all the same, and non deserve our votes.
It's a shame there isn't a viable alternative party where brilliant politicians like Brigden could go to!
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Your question was already dealt with in the post you replied to.
The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
“Give in”. “Punished”.The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
Quite mad.
As I said at the very beginning of this discussion, it is performative virtue signalling.
You have agreed already that the rules no longer serve any practical purpose. So it is difficult to reach the conclusion that they are anything other than performative.
Roman Rhodes said:
They seem almost entirely pointless at this stage.
Roman Rhodes said:
A balanced person can see that treating one high-profile individual the same as everybody else is not "making an example of them", "punishing them", refusing to "give in" or any of the other hyperbolic nonsense being posted. Unfortunately, you're so unbalanced and bent out of shape about Covid in general that you can't see it.
You are over complicating the situation. We all know that there is no logical reason to deny entry to Djokovic. However that is exactly what they are going to do, because it is politically expedient. Roman Rhodes said:
There's been one very weak assertion that it would be in the US's "national interest" to allow Djokovic entry and that's it. If you or anyone else has evidence that he has been discriminated against and treated differently to any other unvaccinated person then please post it up.
He is being treated the same as every other unvaccinated person. They are all being punished because the state does not want to lose face. Elysium said:
You are over complicating the situation. We all know that there is no logical reason to deny entry to Djokovic. However that is exactly what they are going to do, because it is politically expedient.
No, we don't "all know that". What we do know is that the "logical reason" are the laws as they stand at the moment. As I've said before, the fact that you or I or anyone else doesn't like them is irrelevant.Elysium said:
He is being treated the same as every other unvaccinated person. They are all being punished because the state does not want to lose face.
You're partly getting there and, contrary to your previous assertion, admit that he is being treated the same as every other unvaccinated person. Not singled out and made an example of. Anthropomorphising "the state" and still going on about punishment is just more hyperbole and a little childish.Ah the good old “you’re and conspiracy theorist” argument, even have a shorthand of CT now!
Let’s agree that maybe conspiracy THEORIES can get a bit wild. Why about actual conspiracies? Like western governments colluding with big tech, Pharma and the press to shut down any narrative that didn’t support their ideals? That’s an actual conspiracy, that happened. It was a bit of a theory on here a while back, so can we maybe have some feedback from the usual suspects as to how you can dismiss a particular theory and not expect it to be come truth in say 6 months time?
Let’s agree that maybe conspiracy THEORIES can get a bit wild. Why about actual conspiracies? Like western governments colluding with big tech, Pharma and the press to shut down any narrative that didn’t support their ideals? That’s an actual conspiracy, that happened. It was a bit of a theory on here a while back, so can we maybe have some feedback from the usual suspects as to how you can dismiss a particular theory and not expect it to be come truth in say 6 months time?
Biker 1 said:
scenario8 said:
Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.
Totally agree - it's really quite sad & I have no idea where they find the time to post so often.Johnboy and Elysium have over 10000 (yes, ten thousand!) posts between them.
Add to that the time spent trawling the web and twitter to find things to analyse and post about!!
Re Djokovic, he’ll have to suck it up as I’ll be amazed if the US change the rules for him.
I can’t visit either even though I used to live there and the majority of my family are there, but I’m sucking it up as well - no moaning or trying to make political capital from me.
I’m sure he won’t starve.
Roman Rhodes said:
I am commenting on the conspiracy theory (which you are supporting) that Djokovic has somehow been treated differently to unvaccinated Geoff down the supermarket who can’t take his kids to Florida.
Elysium said:
I don’t think that conspiracy exists outside of your imagination.
Short memory?grumbledoak said:
Elysium said:
I find it hard to believe that anyone could defend the US decision to deny Djokovic entry due to his vaccine status.
There is no rational reason to maintain restrictions like this.
It is performative. A pointless theatre of virtue signalling and misplaced blame.
This isn't about virtue signalling, or blame, or the vaccine. It's about power and control. A famous person, he publicly refused to comply. Now he is being made an example of.There is no rational reason to maintain restrictions like this.
It is performative. A pointless theatre of virtue signalling and misplaced blame.
Timothy Bucktu said:
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) this didn't get more attention.
They really are unbelievable. I have absolutely no interest in UK politics any more. They are all the same, and non deserve our votes.
It's a shame there isn't a viable alternative party where brilliant politicians like Brigden could go to!
Is he a brilliant politician? Really? Apart from his stance on vaccines what else has he done that is so brilliant? They really are unbelievable. I have absolutely no interest in UK politics any more. They are all the same, and non deserve our votes.
It's a shame there isn't a viable alternative party where brilliant politicians like Brigden could go to!
Challo said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) this didn't get more attention.
They really are unbelievable. I have absolutely no interest in UK politics any more. They are all the same, and non deserve our votes.
It's a shame there isn't a viable alternative party where brilliant politicians like Brigden could go to!
Is he a brilliant politician? Really? Apart from his stance on vaccines what else has he done that is so brilliant? They really are unbelievable. I have absolutely no interest in UK politics any more. They are all the same, and non deserve our votes.
It's a shame there isn't a viable alternative party where brilliant politicians like Brigden could go to!
I fear the list would be very short regardless of how one defined it...
Challo said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) this didn't get more attention.
They really are unbelievable. I have absolutely no interest in UK politics any more. They are all the same, and non deserve our votes.
It's a shame there isn't a viable alternative party where brilliant politicians like Brigden could go to!
Is he a brilliant politician? Really? Apart from his stance on vaccines what else has he done that is so brilliant? They really are unbelievable. I have absolutely no interest in UK politics any more. They are all the same, and non deserve our votes.
It's a shame there isn't a viable alternative party where brilliant politicians like Brigden could go to!
The fact that the topic he is talking about could be one of the most important issue/scandals/crimes since oh I dont know what perhaps WW2 will make up for anything else he may or may not have stood up for counts a lot in my book.
Seventy said:
Biker 1 said:
scenario8 said:
Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.
Totally agree - it's really quite sad & I have no idea where they find the time to post so often.Johnboy and Elysium have over 10000 (yes, ten thousand!) posts between them.
Add to that the time spent trawling the web and twitter to find things to analyse and post about!!
Re Djokovic, he’ll have to suck it up as I’ll be amazed if the US change the rules for him.
I can’t visit either even though I used to live there and the majority of my family are there, but I’m sucking it up as well - no moaning or trying to make political capital from me.
I’m sure he won’t starve.
Re Twitter, if anything interesting pops up on my timeline I might post the link up. 30 seconds of my time is "no biggie"
Did you see yesterday's submission? (Might have been Sunday, I'm trying not to post as much these days, and concentrate on the wife and dogs, which is a more approved waste of my time ). In short, Kraken is dominant (seriously - did you notice??) And there's a new kid on the block set to take over (Hyperion). Oh and covid rates are up 30% :double yikes: Oh and the nasty Tories are winding down the ONS surveillance survey.
And (re the above) - as you like to call out grifters and fear mongers, I'm sure you'll have some stern words for Christina Pagel and Deepti Gurdasani - and also some random who said "if you tolerate this ("letting it rip" as opposed to #zerocovid) your children will be...disabled"
Lunatics But as is (apparently) the way, you need to call it out. Else you're complicit. Or something
RSTurboPaul said:
Challo said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) this didn't get more attention.
They really are unbelievable. I have absolutely no interest in UK politics any more. They are all the same, and non deserve our votes.
It's a shame there isn't a viable alternative party where brilliant politicians like Brigden could go to!
Is he a brilliant politician? Really? Apart from his stance on vaccines what else has he done that is so brilliant? They really are unbelievable. I have absolutely no interest in UK politics any more. They are all the same, and non deserve our votes.
It's a shame there isn't a viable alternative party where brilliant politicians like Brigden could go to!
I fear the list would be very short regardless of how one defined it...
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