CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)

CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)

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RSTurboPaul

10,218 posts

257 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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Grumps. said:
Hants PHer said:
Fortunately, there's another blood test facility (or Phlebotomy as they call it) which you can go to instead, which I did. No mention of masks, very quickly and efficiently done and I was on my way.
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Must have been well worth wasting all that time just to prove a point that nobody else took notice of.
One might ponder whether every incidence of applying personal principles to a situation needs an audience and/or acknowledgement.

PurplePangolin

2,826 posts

32 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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Roman Rhodes said:
KAgantua said:
Roman Rhodes said:
PurplePangolin said:
RR is simply an appeal to authority type.
A bizarre claim - with no evidence (there is a trend here!).
Duck in 'What evidence do you have of my duckiness' shock!
Are you 'just asking questions'?
Thank you for confirming that reality has completely left this thread. smile
Will you be following? wink

scenario8

6,554 posts

178 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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(Can hardly believe I’m entering into discussion about this…)

It should be recognised that Novak’s visa application is not being treated equally as Dave of Epping’s would be because fictional Dave would simply enter his details as he saw fit and would either meet entry criteria or not (tbh his vaccination status is unlikely to even be queried or challenged these days) but Novak’s very high profile visa application would have been accompanied by support from the event organisers and other powerful lobbyists.

The result may well be the same but it’s stretching the truth to suggest he is being treated equally.

Make your own mind up if you consider it a conspiracy.

It’s still ridiculous.

Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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Roman Rhodes said:
If someone makes a fairly wild claim without any supporting evidence I don't see the problem with going straight to 'conspiracy theory'.
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Then you agree that suggesting the CV injection prevents infection or transmission is a conspiracy theory. That you support?

Elysium

13,755 posts

186 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Your question was already dealt with in the post you replied to.

The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
“Give in”. “Punished”.

Quite mad.
Entirely reasonable language when describing a state that continues to enforce rules it knows are pointless and irrational.

As I said at the very beginning of this discussion, it is performative virtue signalling.
Hysterical nonsense.
It isn't hysterical in any way or nonsensical.

You have agreed already that the rules no longer serve any practical purpose. So it is difficult to reach the conclusion that they are anything other than performative.

Roman Rhodes said:
They seem almost entirely pointless at this stage.
I am commenting on the conspiracy theory (which you are supporting) that Djokovic has somehow been treated differently from unvaccinated Geoff down the supermarket who can't take his kids to Florida.
I don’t think that conspiracy theory exists outside of your imagination.

Roman Rhodes said:
A balanced person can see that treating one high-profile individual the same as everybody else is not "making an example of them", "punishing them", refusing to "give in" or any of the other hyperbolic nonsense being posted. Unfortunately, you're so unbalanced and bent out of shape about Covid in general that you can't see it.
You are over complicating the situation. We all know that there is no logical reason to deny entry to Djokovic. However that is exactly what they are going to do, because it is politically expedient.

Roman Rhodes said:
There's been one very weak assertion that it would be in the US's "national interest" to allow Djokovic entry and that's it. If you or anyone else has evidence that he has been discriminated against and treated differently to any other unvaccinated person then please post it up.
He is being treated the same as every other unvaccinated person. They are all being punished because the state does not want to lose face.

Biker 1

7,690 posts

118 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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scenario8 said:
Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.
Totally agree - it's really quite sad & I have no idea where they find the time to post so often.

Elysium

13,755 posts

186 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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Biker 1 said:
scenario8 said:
Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.
Totally agree - it's really quite sad & I have no idea where they find the time to post so often.
I think it’s pretty obvious that they get a kick out of it.

Ari

19,328 posts

214 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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scenario8 said:
Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.
Much easier to stick your fingers in your ears and shout LALALALA YOU'RE ALL CONSPIRACY NUTJOBS!!!1 than actually admit that you were duped, even as the evidence unfolds all around you (the Hancock Whatsapp messages for example).

Pretty hard for some people to admit to themselves that not only are they not as smart as they thought they were, they're actually not very smart at all.

It's why all of this will come to nothing and the next panic will be just the same, complete with silly bits of cloth stretched across every fizzog and pans being noisily clattered 'for the NHS' once a week.

The only thing we really learn from history is that most people learn nothing from history. smile

KAgantua

3,848 posts

130 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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Elysium said:
Biker 1 said:
scenario8 said:
Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.
Totally agree - it's really quite sad & I have no idea where they find the time to post so often.
I think it’s pretty obvious that they get a kick out of it.
Posting history:
Monday 8am - 'Ive moved on.'
Monday 9am - 'OMG, how sad, ive moved on, what about you?'
Monday 10am - 'Youre all so sad, sitting here moaning about it, ive moved on'
Monday 11am - 'Have you thought about moving on?'
Monday 12am - 'Well i have a life, and dont want to discuss this type of thing as ive moved on...'

Wish I had the sort of time to post like some of the no biggie brigade biggrin

Timothy Bucktu

15,184 posts

199 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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RSTurboPaul said:
Dr John Campbell ponders on a seemingly strange event in Parliament just prior to the Andrew Bridgen speech on injection harms, where it appears a member of the Conservative party prompts members of the opposition to leave the House, amongst other aspects:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpGcEf2yCok




Bernie Spofforth has posted a tweet that puts forward the suggestion that it was Andrew Mitchell MP involved in the aforementioned event:

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1637181...

who it appears may have had some prior involvement with the GAVI (Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization) organisation:

https://twitter.com/p_beejal/status/16372411559087...


She has also highlighted a Guardian article suggesting MPs are recipients of funding from drug companies:

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1637072...
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) this didn't get more attention.
They really are unbelievable. I have absolutely no interest in UK politics any more. They are all the same, and non deserve our votes.
It's a shame there isn't a viable alternative party where brilliant politicians like Brigden could go to!

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Your question was already dealt with in the post you replied to.

The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
“Give in”. “Punished”.

Quite mad.
Entirely reasonable language when describing a state that continues to enforce rules it knows are pointless and irrational.

As I said at the very beginning of this discussion, it is performative virtue signalling.
Hysterical nonsense.
It isn't hysterical in any way or nonsensical.

You have agreed already that the rules no longer serve any practical purpose. So it is difficult to reach the conclusion that they are anything other than performative.

Roman Rhodes said:
They seem almost entirely pointless at this stage.
I am commenting on the conspiracy theory (which you are supporting) that Djokovic has somehow been treated differently from unvaccinated Geoff down the supermarket who can't take his kids to Florida.
I don’t think that conspiracy theory exists outside of your imagination.

Roman Rhodes said:
A balanced person can see that treating one high-profile individual the same as everybody else is not "making an example of them", "punishing them", refusing to "give in" or any of the other hyperbolic nonsense being posted. Unfortunately, you're so unbalanced and bent out of shape about Covid in general that you can't see it.
You are over complicating the situation. We all know that there is no logical reason to deny entry to Djokovic. However that is exactly what they are going to do, because it is politically expedient.

Roman Rhodes said:
There's been one very weak assertion that it would be in the US's "national interest" to allow Djokovic entry and that's it. If you or anyone else has evidence that he has been discriminated against and treated differently to any other unvaccinated person then please post it up.
He is being treated the same as every other unvaccinated person. They are all being punished because the state does not want to lose face.
Elysium said:
You are over complicating the situation. We all know that there is no logical reason to deny entry to Djokovic. However that is exactly what they are going to do, because it is politically expedient.
No, we don't "all know that". What we do know is that the "logical reason" are the laws as they stand at the moment. As I've said before, the fact that you or I or anyone else doesn't like them is irrelevant.

Elysium said:
He is being treated the same as every other unvaccinated person. They are all being punished because the state does not want to lose face.
You're partly getting there and, contrary to your previous assertion, admit that he is being treated the same as every other unvaccinated person. Not singled out and made an example of. Anthropomorphising "the state" and still going on about punishment is just more hyperbole and a little childish.

jameswills

3,416 posts

42 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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Ah the good old “you’re and conspiracy theorist” argument, even have a shorthand of CT now!

Let’s agree that maybe conspiracy THEORIES can get a bit wild. Why about actual conspiracies? Like western governments colluding with big tech, Pharma and the press to shut down any narrative that didn’t support their ideals? That’s an actual conspiracy, that happened. It was a bit of a theory on here a while back, so can we maybe have some feedback from the usual suspects as to how you can dismiss a particular theory and not expect it to be come truth in say 6 months time?

Seventy

5,500 posts

137 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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Biker 1 said:
scenario8 said:
Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.
Totally agree - it's really quite sad & I have no idea where they find the time to post so often.
Indeed.

Johnboy and Elysium have over 10000 (yes, ten thousand!) posts between them.
Add to that the time spent trawling the web and twitter to find things to analyse and post about!!

Re Djokovic, he’ll have to suck it up as I’ll be amazed if the US change the rules for him.
I can’t visit either even though I used to live there and the majority of my family are there, but I’m sucking it up as well - no moaning or trying to make political capital from me.
I’m sure he won’t starve.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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Roman Rhodes said:
I am commenting on the conspiracy theory (which you are supporting) that Djokovic has somehow been treated differently to unvaccinated Geoff down the supermarket who can’t take his kids to Florida.
Elysium said:
I don’t think that conspiracy exists outside of your imagination.
Short memory?

grumbledoak said:
Elysium said:
I find it hard to believe that anyone could defend the US decision to deny Djokovic entry due to his vaccine status.

There is no rational reason to maintain restrictions like this.

It is performative. A pointless theatre of virtue signalling and misplaced blame.
This isn't about virtue signalling, or blame, or the vaccine. It's about power and control. A famous person, he publicly refused to comply. Now he is being made an example of.

Challo

10,041 posts

154 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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Timothy Bucktu said:
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) this didn't get more attention.
They really are unbelievable. I have absolutely no interest in UK politics any more. They are all the same, and non deserve our votes.
It's a shame there isn't a viable alternative party where brilliant politicians like Brigden could go to!
Is he a brilliant politician? Really? Apart from his stance on vaccines what else has he done that is so brilliant?

RSTurboPaul

10,218 posts

257 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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Challo said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) this didn't get more attention.
They really are unbelievable. I have absolutely no interest in UK politics any more. They are all the same, and non deserve our votes.
It's a shame there isn't a viable alternative party where brilliant politicians like Brigden could go to!
Is he a brilliant politician? Really? Apart from his stance on vaccines what else has he done that is so brilliant?
How are we defining brilliant and who would be on your list?

I fear the list would be very short regardless of how one defined it... hehe

superlightr

12,842 posts

262 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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Challo said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) this didn't get more attention.
They really are unbelievable. I have absolutely no interest in UK politics any more. They are all the same, and non deserve our votes.
It's a shame there isn't a viable alternative party where brilliant politicians like Brigden could go to!
Is he a brilliant politician? Really? Apart from his stance on vaccines what else has he done that is so brilliant?
At present I'll settle for a "politician" being "brilliant" or just "Good" at one thing that benefits the public. You know the ones they are meant to be working for.

The fact that the topic he is talking about could be one of the most important issue/scandals/crimes since oh I dont know what perhaps WW2 will make up for anything else he may or may not have stood up for counts a lot in my book.

johnboy1975

8,355 posts

107 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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Seventy said:
Biker 1 said:
scenario8 said:
Why contributors on the internet, and these threads in particular go so far out of their way to generate conflict is something I’ll never really understand about human nature.
Totally agree - it's really quite sad & I have no idea where they find the time to post so often.
Indeed.

Johnboy and Elysium have over 10000 (yes, ten thousand!) posts between them.
Add to that the time spent trawling the web and twitter to find things to analyse and post about!!

Re Djokovic, he’ll have to suck it up as I’ll be amazed if the US change the rules for him.
I can’t visit either even though I used to live there and the majority of my family are there, but I’m sucking it up as well - no moaning or trying to make political capital from me.
I’m sure he won’t starve.
A good chunk of posts are replying to dross like this smile

Re Twitter, if anything interesting pops up on my timeline I might post the link up. 30 seconds of my time is "no biggie"

Did you see yesterday's submission? (Might have been Sunday, I'm trying not to post as much these days, and concentrate on the wife and dogs, which is a more approved waste of my time smile ). In short, Kraken is dominant yikes (seriously - did you notice??) And there's a new kid on the block set to take over (Hyperion). Oh and covid rates are up 30% :double yikes: Oh and the nasty Tories are winding down the ONS surveillance survey.

And (re the above) - as you like to call out grifters and fear mongers, I'm sure you'll have some stern words for Christina Pagel and Deepti Gurdasani - and also some random who said "if you tolerate this ("letting it rip" as opposed to #zerocovid) your children will be...disabled"

Lunatics spin But as is (apparently) the way, you need to call it out. Else you're complicit. Or something

Seventy

5,500 posts

137 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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johnboy1975 said:
I'm trying not to post as much these days, and concentrate on the wife and dogs
I approve wholeheartedly, especially the dogs!

We’ve talked about this before and you know it makes sense beer

Challo

10,041 posts

154 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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RSTurboPaul said:
Challo said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) this didn't get more attention.
They really are unbelievable. I have absolutely no interest in UK politics any more. They are all the same, and non deserve our votes.
It's a shame there isn't a viable alternative party where brilliant politicians like Brigden could go to!
Is he a brilliant politician? Really? Apart from his stance on vaccines what else has he done that is so brilliant?
How are we defining brilliant and who would be on your list?

I fear the list would be very short regardless of how one defined it... hehe
I’m not defining anything. Tim made the statement he was brilliant.
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