CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
Discussion
Seventy said:
You know what, Paul, I was going to have a ball and look back through the early volumes of this thread but they don’t seem to be there anymore.
Maybe it’s my search capabilities!
They’d show you - usually in the early hours of the morning - posting ridiculous links, usually post scripted by ‘tin foil may be needed’ or similar.
Do you remember that!
Do you remember posters saying that the vaccine would turn you off and that it was all about population control amongst other such rubbish?
I do, and I’m sure you do too.
Where’s SteveT350 and his ilk nowadays?
Eta that there are and have been a lot of clearly vulnerable and gullible people on this thread since its inception.
People who asked where to buy crossbows.
People who wouldn’t be able to differentiate truth from fiction.
Posting the laughable rubbish that has been posted over the last 18 volumes has not helped them at all.
And that is abhorrent, and unforgivable.
They’ve failed to extricate themselves from threads such as this (and probably on other forums) BECAUSE of the rubbish that you and others like you have posted.
I hope you’re happy with yourself.
I tend to dip in and out of this thread rather than obsess slavishly over every single post as you do, but nope, I can't remember seeing any of that. Maybe it’s my search capabilities!
They’d show you - usually in the early hours of the morning - posting ridiculous links, usually post scripted by ‘tin foil may be needed’ or similar.
Do you remember that!
Do you remember posters saying that the vaccine would turn you off and that it was all about population control amongst other such rubbish?
I do, and I’m sure you do too.
Where’s SteveT350 and his ilk nowadays?
Eta that there are and have been a lot of clearly vulnerable and gullible people on this thread since its inception.
People who asked where to buy crossbows.
People who wouldn’t be able to differentiate truth from fiction.
Posting the laughable rubbish that has been posted over the last 18 volumes has not helped them at all.
And that is abhorrent, and unforgivable.
They’ve failed to extricate themselves from threads such as this (and probably on other forums) BECAUSE of the rubbish that you and others like you have posted.
I hope you’re happy with yourself.
Edited by Seventy on Friday 17th March 19:52
I'm guessing you probably obsess over a huge amount to covid discussion all over the Internet, perhaps you saw it somewhere else?
Elysium said:
I find it hard to believe that anyone could defend the US decision to deny Djokovic entry due to his vaccine status.
There is no rational reason to maintain restrictions like this.
It is performative. A pointless theatre of virtue signalling and misplaced blame.
Agreed. Never been a Djok fan but this is absurd. The "land of the free and the home of the brave" is actually bureaucratic, backward and regressive in this regard.There is no rational reason to maintain restrictions like this.
It is performative. A pointless theatre of virtue signalling and misplaced blame.
Elysium said:
I find it hard to believe that anyone could defend the US decision to deny Djokovic entry due to his vaccine status.
There is no rational reason to maintain restrictions like this.
It is performative. A pointless theatre of virtue signalling and misplaced blame.
This isn't about virtue signalling, or blame, or the vaccine. It's about power and control. A famous person, he publicly refused to comply. Now he is being made an example of.There is no rational reason to maintain restrictions like this.
It is performative. A pointless theatre of virtue signalling and misplaced blame.
grumbledoak said:
Elysium said:
I find it hard to believe that anyone could defend the US decision to deny Djokovic entry due to his vaccine status.
There is no rational reason to maintain restrictions like this.
It is performative. A pointless theatre of virtue signalling and misplaced blame.
This isn't about virtue signalling, or blame, or the vaccine. It's about power and control. A famous person, he publicly refused to comply. Now he is being made an example of.There is no rational reason to maintain restrictions like this.
It is performative. A pointless theatre of virtue signalling and misplaced blame.
Roman Rhodes said:
How does that work when the US is just applying the same rules to him as everyone else? Whether you agree with the US rules or not doesn't matter - he clearly isn't being made an example of. Nice try at shoehorning a CT into the issue though!
There are a list of exceptions to the rules, as you would expect.I imagine they could have used this one had they felt motivated to do so as seems vague enough?
CDC said:
Persons whose entry would be in the national interest, as determined by the Secretary of State, Secretary of Transportation, or Secretary of Homeland Security (or their designees)
But no, got to keep playing the political game with it.
BigMon said:
I have no idea what you're hoping for, but I doubt very much there will be a modern-day Nuremburg trial of the great and the good who led us through Covi.
If you think some great injustice has been perpetuated then I guess you really need to try to do something about it with like-minded people.
I would imagine most people just want to move forward with their lives and get on with 'it' as best they can. I don't think that makes them 'sheeple', just ordinary folk muddling through.
I didn't call them sheeple. Most people for most of history just want to muddle through and move on from the worst injustices imaginable. A few people don't.If you think some great injustice has been perpetuated then I guess you really need to try to do something about it with like-minded people.
I would imagine most people just want to move forward with their lives and get on with 'it' as best they can. I don't think that makes them 'sheeple', just ordinary folk muddling through.
Edited by BigMon on Friday 17th March 23:46
No plans for a Nuremburg trial. That would depend on having institutions that weren't tainted by the ideology, and it's hard to think of any. I'm more interested in discussing it at this stage, to figure out exactly what happened and how such an absurd idea did so much damage. That will determine who to blame and how to ensure it never happens again.
As I said above I see this ultimately as a problem with our society so any solution must cone from there, not be imposed by nicer megalomaniacs with a more benign form of lunacy.
There's no one magic fix and no utopia, but I think our expectations of what the state can and should do and what that truly costs would be a good start, and our ideas about who and what we are in a post religious, post ideology world would go along with that.
Elysium said:
I find it hard to believe that anyone could defend the US decision to deny Djokovic entry due to his vaccine status.
There is no rational reason to maintain restrictions like this.
It is performative. A pointless theatre of virtue signalling and misplaced blame.
By the time they get to June all the restrictions will most likely be lifted. But these next 3 months are going to be vital in the fight against Covid There is no rational reason to maintain restrictions like this.
It is performative. A pointless theatre of virtue signalling and misplaced blame.
g4ry13 said:
By the time they get to June all the restrictions will most likely be lifted. But these next 3 months are going to be vital in the fight against Covid
What is the justification for this restriction if they are no longer claiming the vaccine reduces transmission? (And are in fact denying to have ever claimed it did)JuanCarlosFandango said:
What is the justification for this restriction if they are no longer claiming the vaccine reduces transmission? (And are in fact denying to have ever claimed it did)
Because he's not following the rules!!1!1! He should take the experimental medicine regardless of the fact it's of no use to wider society and actually presents far more risks to him than Covid.BrewsterBear said:
Because he's not following the rules!!1!1! He should take the experimental medicine regardless of the fact it's of no use to wider society and actually presents far more risks to him than Covid.
About the size of it! I had in my mind that it expired in January, but they must have renewed it! SWoll said:
Roman Rhodes said:
How does that work when the US is just applying the same rules to him as everyone else? Whether you agree with the US rules or not doesn't matter - he clearly isn't being made an example of. Nice try at shoehorning a CT into the issue though!
There are a list of exceptions to the rules, as you would expect.I imagine they could have used this one had they felt motivated to do so as seems vague enough?
CDC said:
Persons whose entry would be in the national interest, as determined by the Secretary of State, Secretary of Transportation, or Secretary of Homeland Security (or their designees)
But no, got to keep playing the political game with it.
Why should a tennis player be allowed entry and ‘ordinary unvaccinated bloke’ from this thread be denied?
Roman Rhodes said:
I think your doing more stretching there than Djokovic before a match. You’re the one making it political - you have zero argument to say that a foreign national playing tennis is in the “national interest”.
Why should a tennis player be allowed entry and ‘ordinary unvaccinated bloke’ from this thread be denied?
He's the current world number one, has won the US Open 3 times previously and is widely regarded as the greatest male tennis player of all time. His inclusion at any tournament would be a significant boost hence why the organizers of both Indian Wells and the Miami Open have lobbied the US government on his behalf. Why should a tennis player be allowed entry and ‘ordinary unvaccinated bloke’ from this thread be denied?
If they'd wanted to the could have made an exception for him under the rule above, as I'm sure they have done for many other people previously (although not with any public scrutiny). "National Interest" is a very vague term, and even their own CDC has told the US government that the current rules make no sense and don't have any scientific basis for existing. Pure political theatre at this point, which is just making them look increasingly draconian and ridiculous.
SWoll said:
Roman Rhodes said:
I think your doing more stretching there than Djokovic before a match. You’re the one making it political - you have zero argument to say that a foreign national playing tennis is in the “national interest”.
Why should a tennis player be allowed entry and ‘ordinary unvaccinated bloke’ from this thread be denied?
He's the current world number one, has won the US Open 3 times previously and is widely regarded as the greatest male tennis player of all time. His inclusion at any tournament would be a significant boost hence why the organizers of both Indian Wells and the Miami Open have lobbied the US government on his behalf. Why should a tennis player be allowed entry and ‘ordinary unvaccinated bloke’ from this thread be denied?
If they'd wanted to the could have made an exception for him under the rule above, as I'm sure they have done for many other people previously (although not with any public scrutiny). "National Interest" is a very vague term, and even their own CDC has told the US government that the current rules make no sense and don't have any scientific basis for existing. Pure political theatre at this point, which is just making them look increasingly draconian and ridiculous.
Only on PH can a multi-millionaire sports star having to abide by the same laws as everyone else be twisted into a conspiracy theory!
Roman Rhodes said:
The only “political theatre” is the one you’re inventing. If you’re “sure” about these other exemptions then provide examples. It is hard to reconcile the fact that restrictions are due to end in April with your claim that the US government is looking “increasingly draconian and ridiculous”.
Only on PH can a multi-millionaire sports star having to abide by the same laws as everyone else be twisted into a conspiracy theory!
They're the only western nation still continuing with the restriction, against the advice of their own scientific experts, and having stuck with them for almost 12 months longer than the likes of Australia and New Zealand. They chose to extend the restriction in January to the surprise of everyone with zero reasoning given as to why. Only on PH can a multi-millionaire sports star having to abide by the same laws as everyone else be twisted into a conspiracy theory!
If it isn't political theater, then what is it exactly?
SWoll said:
They're the only western nation still continuing with the restriction, against the advice of their own scientific experts, and having stuck with them for almost 12 months longer than the likes of Australia and New Zealand. They chose to extend the restriction in January to the surprise of everyone with zero reasoning given as to why.
If it isn't political theater, then what is it exactly?
Its getting exceedingly tedious, as I would very much like to visit family in Florida. I am filthy unvaxxed, recovered from at least 2 bouts of covid. Apparently the US deems you vaxxed if you've had 2 doses, even if these were administered at the start of the roll out, therefore providing little or no 'protection' whatsoever at this juncture.If it isn't political theater, then what is it exactly?
Even more daft is that Florida has been one of the least restrictive parts of the world.
Why the US continues with this farce is beyond me.
Roman Rhodes said:
SWoll said:
Roman Rhodes said:
I think your doing more stretching there than Djokovic before a match. You’re the one making it political - you have zero argument to say that a foreign national playing tennis is in the “national interest”.
Why should a tennis player be allowed entry and ‘ordinary unvaccinated bloke’ from this thread be denied?
He's the current world number one, has won the US Open 3 times previously and is widely regarded as the greatest male tennis player of all time. His inclusion at any tournament would be a significant boost hence why the organizers of both Indian Wells and the Miami Open have lobbied the US government on his behalf. Why should a tennis player be allowed entry and ‘ordinary unvaccinated bloke’ from this thread be denied?
If they'd wanted to the could have made an exception for him under the rule above, as I'm sure they have done for many other people previously (although not with any public scrutiny). "National Interest" is a very vague term, and even their own CDC has told the US government that the current rules make no sense and don't have any scientific basis for existing. Pure political theatre at this point, which is just making them look increasingly draconian and ridiculous.
Only on PH can a multi-millionaire sports star having to abide by the same laws as everyone else be twisted into a conspiracy theory!
Biker 1 said:
Its getting exceedingly tedious, as I would very much like to visit family in Florida. I am filthy unvaxxed, recovered from at least 2 bouts of covid. Apparently the US deems you vaxxed if you've had 2 doses, even if these were administered at the start of the roll out, therefore providing little or no 'protection' whatsoever at this juncture.
Even more daft is that Florida has been one of the least restrictive parts of the world.
Why the US continues with this farce is beyond me.
This is the point. Keeping people from friends, family, business and all the other reasons to visit the US while allowing someone in to play tennis would be even more absurd. Even more daft is that Florida has been one of the least restrictive parts of the world.
Why the US continues with this farce is beyond me.
I presume their insistence on sticking with this folly is a reflection of the fact they have a more powerful pharma lobby than most countries?
I've heard of someone who managed to visit New Hampshire by crossing over from Canada without showing any proof vaccine, but it's not really a practical way of visiting Florida!
SWoll said:
They're the only western nation still continuing with the restriction, against the advice of their own scientific experts, and having stuck with them for almost 12 months longer than the likes of Australia and New Zealand. They chose to extend the restriction in January to the surprise of everyone with zero reasoning given as to why.
If it isn't political theater, then what is it exactly?
Regarding Djokovic, I’ve already given you my view. He has to abide by the same laws as you and I.If it isn't political theater, then what is it exactly?
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